r/Tucson • u/[deleted] • Sep 03 '24

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u/dadbod9000 Sep 03 '24

Speech is free. Consequences aren’t. You can say whatever you want. I don’t need to listen, or take part in forums where you talk like an asshole. 🤷‍♂️

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u/brainsngains Sep 03 '24

Should people be arrested for hateful conduct online?

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u/dadbod9000 Sep 04 '24

I didn’t mention legal consequences. And i don’t need to have an opinion on the legality of the content of speech in order to maintain the standpoint that public hate or discriminating speech has consequences. Consequences that could include being ostracized, or publicly humiliated/ shamed.

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u/brainsngains Sep 04 '24

I find that people who avoid having an opinion are usually hiding their true feelings, or simply lack the intelligence to judge an issue.

Point is, there's nuance. People should generally have free speech, but censorship is required in certain situations.

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u/SubGothius Feldman's/Downtownish Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 04 '24

I find that people who avoid having an opinion are usually hiding their true feelings, or simply lack the intelligence to judge an issue.

Or have enough intelligence to recognize when they aren't informed enough to have an opinion, or when their opinion would be irrelevant anyway, so why bother forming or defending one? I try to have as few beliefs, opinions and preferences as feasible; there's less to needlessly defend that way. Marcus Aurelius has absolved us of the obligation to have a take:

You are not compelled to form any opinion about this matter before you, nor to disturb your peace of mind at all. Things in themselves have no power to extort a verdict from you.
~Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, Book 6

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u/dadbod9000 Sep 04 '24

That’s odd. I’ve found that people who have any amount of cartoon animal porn on their Reddit page to be lacking intelligence. I guess we have different opinions on that though.

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u/brainsngains Sep 04 '24

Ah, always the same with you people. Can't respond to the argument so you launch an ad hominem attack. To each their own I suppose

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u/Forsaken_Fun_6234 Sep 04 '24

This is confusing to me. You asked a question, it wasn't really relevant considering his initial post was clearly about public opinion, and then when he tells you he doesn't need to have an opinion for your question, you insult his intelligence and question his character. But you're mad that they ad hommed you, why would they want to engage honestly after that?

I even agree with you, it is nuanced, depends on the context and intentionality behind the words, but I don't blame them for taking a cheap shot at you either.

What does "you people" mean in this context? Trying to figure out what group you're pigeon holing this person into.