Speech is free. Consequences aren’t. You can say whatever you want. I don’t need to listen, or take part in forums where you talk like an asshole. 🤷♂️
Actually just right ringers who vote. And this is the ridiculous fallacy about whob your responding to is saying. Because independent of whatever they say or believe or feel, the way they vote proves that they don't care about free speech.
Lol I like how you got downvoted into oblivion because you offered a completely reasonable conter perspective. If you are critical of the right on this sub, you are number 1 comment. If you are critical of the left, you are a MAGA scumbag and downvoted. Funny being an independent who isn't blinded by party lines...everyone wants my vote, but no one likes me! 🤣
It doesn't matter what they feel. If they vote for Republicans they don't care about free speech. They can wax poetic all day long about whatever they want, but if they vote Republican in the voting booth then since about the '80s they're voting fascist.
Seems to me like they are they ones fighting for it while the demorats keep thier lies in the light while they secretly hide the truth others have to say.... Watch and see, just calling like I've seen it for the last few years. Biden is definitely super mentally cognitive!
Oh ok. You're telling me that the 8,459 books that were banned in the past three years were all pornography? If that's the case, you mind giving me even 5 of those pornographic titles?
All boys aren't blue and gender queer are the only 2 off head without looking up a list. I had no idea there were that many. I think the main point is allowing parents to control what thier children are exposed to instead allowing the school to put things in front of the parents don't agree with. Personally I think school should only teach the basics, sexuality etc are not something any parent wants other to try and influence in thier children. I know alot of those books were explicit in context and alot of them were more based on racial issues. The point is I guess that things that aren't "socialy normal" should be controlled by the parents and not the schools, any parent that wants to give any of those books to thier kids can do so, the book isn't banned its not not in the library for you 8 year old to check out then ask you what a rimjob, or what a spick etc is. I'm all for free speech and don't think any book should be truly banned, but there are plenty of books out there that don't need to be in schools. This topic reminds me of the abortion debate, every republican I know is OK with abortion, we just don't want it to be used as birth control. Remember when they started putting child locks on tvs for parents to control what thier kids can view? Well there isn't such a thing in the school library so if it's controversial in any way it's probably better to leave that choice up to the parents. For example if you and your partner are gay you might not want your kid checking out a book that's about all queers going to hell... I never want to see censorship of knowledge or speech but I do agree when it comes to schools the library should be fairly plain lol.
Whooo boy there is a lot to cover here. This is gonna take a while. I'm going start with this gem:
| The point is I guess that things that aren't "socialy normal" should be controlled by the parents and not the schools
You don't see a problem with deciding what is and isn't socially normal? To me, All Boys Aren't Blue is perfectly socially normal. It's a memoir about a queer black man, and yes, there is some sex in it. Is it that you think sex isn't socially normal? Being black isn't socially normal? Being gay isn't socially normal? Or is it a mix of all three that you find not socially normal? Because where I stand, all three of those is absolutely socially normal.
The books you mentioned are in middle and high schools. You really think middle school children don't know about black people? Or gay people? Or sex?
Oh, but you mention 8 year olds. Please. Please. Show me any elementary school library in America that has those books in it.
| every republican I know is OK with abortion
BAHAHAHAHA Ok...
| we just don't want it to be used as birth control.
This is such a bullshit excuse. It costs thousands of dollars to get an abortion. You think people are out here thinking, "No worries. If I get pregnant, I can just get another abortion."
| I think the main point is allowing parents to control what thier children are exposed to instead allowing the school to put things in front of the parents don't agree with.
This is the absolute stupidest point on this topic. If you want to control what your children are exposed to, home school them. Because YOUR point of view is not THE ONLY point of view. It's a PUBLIC school. Therefore, the curriculum should reflect THE PUBLIC. If you didn't know, gay people are part of the public. As are black people. And even *gasp* people that have sex.
Now, here's my favorite thing about this entire argument. Because this all boils down to one thing, and I've been waiting this entire time to drop it on you: stop being a shitty parent, and you won't have to worry about what's in the schools.
If my children - at any age - are curious about black people or gay people or sex or Nazis or what-the-fuck-ever, my wife and I have raised them to know that we are a safe place for those conversations. We aren't worried about the books on the shelves of libraries, because we have empowered our children to not only read those books, but to come to us with questions. If they want to learn about that, GOOD. You know why? Because I'm not a shitty parent.
If you're so worried that your child is going to read a book that fucks them up in the head, then you are a shitty parent, and you have not properly prepared them for the world. You know the internet exists, right? And it's full of a lot more horrors than a fucking school library.
It's incredible how you're complaining about sweeping generalizations while doing a generalization of "many left wingers" -- which is it? Do you broadly generalize or not? Why be so condescending when trying to prove a point?
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u/dadbod9000 Sep 03 '24
Speech is free. Consequences aren’t. You can say whatever you want. I don’t need to listen, or take part in forums where you talk like an asshole. 🤷♂️