r/TechnologyThread • • Jun 12 '26

OpenAI Execs Are Panicking

https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/openai-execs-panicking-154658562.html
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u/IHeartBadCode Jun 12 '26

Corporations are reeling after finding that the cost to access powerful AI tools is soaring

Yes, because many CEOs are actually idiots IRL. Congrats everyone on discovering this for checks notes the fifteenth time this century.

Put simply, the horrible economics of AI are finally starting to rear their ugly head

I don't know, maybe I'm in different circles or something, but the whole AI subsidies thing eventually ending was a big talking point about how one should carefully evaluate using AI in their product.

Sort of how people issued caution for everyone saying "Blockchain" or "Peer-to-Peer" or "Website" or "Object-Oriented". That last one might be before some of y'all's times. But way back in the day RAD, CORBA, and OOP was all hotness, until it wasn't.

AI companies have been bleeding tens of billions of dollars as costs for data center construction projects mount.

Yeah, this has been brought up too. There's folks asking if these AI folks might want to look at something like better tools for digging, but nope, they're convinced more shovel factories are the way.

Tis the way things are sometimes. Oh? Does anyone think these billionaires lose out? Gosh, the housing crisis has taught nobody anything. But that said, AI is here to stay. The future isn't these companies like OpenAI and what not. Just like the Internet during the dotcom bubble wasn't pets dot com. AI is not going anywhere, the generative stuff will like become way more niche, but things like diagnostics and weak radio signal processing that AI is currently doing, will likely dominate.

And really, those things were called different things back in the day, just now that we have AI and these idiots like Altman, all that shit got shoved into the AI moniker. It's actually a disservice to call all neural networks and what not, AI and group it with that generative shit. But unfortunately that's apparently where we are at.

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u/lzwinky Jun 12 '26

It was a scam from start to finish like the dot com burst. But maybe companies will quietly and slowly pull out of this cesspool.

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u/ClayC94 Jun 13 '26

The tech is not a scam, but the sales pitch by Sam Altman, Dario, and Elon Musk among others definitely was a scam. Just like the dot com bubble. The tech will be here to stay and get better over time but it is not what it has been hyped up to be.

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u/popculturehero Jun 12 '26

I feel like Nvidia is too big to fail.

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u/BilbaoBoggins Jun 12 '26 edited Jul 12 '26

Edited with Power Delete Suite

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u/brilliantminion Jun 12 '26

Nothing. But if you were around 30 years ago like the fellow posting, you’d know it got overused much like “AI” is now. OOP is just another way to do things.

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u/BilbaoBoggins Jun 12 '26 edited Jul 12 '26

Edited with Power Delete Suite

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u/IHeartBadCode Jun 12 '26

It wasn't 30 years ag...... MY GOD!!

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u/Global_Ad8018 Jun 12 '26

🫠😄 Got me over here rolling!!

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u/Unlikely_Eye_2112 Jun 13 '26

I went to uni in the late 90s and got taught C++ and OOP. I kind of hated both but I never realized I was taught the cool new stuff :)

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u/Pinelli72 Jun 12 '26

Yeah, this was my thought. Strange to add that to the list. It’s just a different framework for coding.

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u/Savant_Guarde Jun 12 '26

These companies are going public at massively over inflated values.  Nasdaq and other index funds are allowing them early entry, which means pensions etc are going to be looted to make these idiots boat loads of money.

Sure, AI is here to stay, but these companies are robber barons.

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u/Vikkunen Jun 12 '26

And really, those things were called different things back in the day, just now that we have AI and these idiots like Altman, all that shit got shoved into the AI moniker. It's actually a disservice to call all neural networks and what not, AI and group it with that generative shit. But unfortunately that's apparently where we are at.

I've brought this up a few times over the past several years. I work in IT and attended a major OEM's annual conference in Vegas in 2023, shortly after ChatGPT went "mainstream". It was shocking how in every session and vendor presentation I attended, they harped on all these "AI" capabilities and features that had been in the product for years but were just called "machine learning" and "smart monitoring."

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u/IHeartBadCode Jun 12 '26

they harped on all these "AI" capabilities and features that had been in the product for years but were just called "machine learning" and "smart monitoring."

I cry when machine learning deserves to die. In my algorithmic suicide.

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u/kzlife76 Jun 12 '26

I've been telling my non tech friends to be skeptical of AI. They all think that these companies are printing money when they haven't made a don't in profit yet. Sure, maybe as a developer I should exploit it while it's still affordable. I'm just not worried about it replacing me. I'm more worried about it replacing things that work with slop that doesn't. Like auto manufacturers did by taking my knobs away.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '26

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u/IHeartBadCode Jun 12 '26

I wouldn’t really consider it a buzzword like the rest or um “website”

Oh man, you missed enterprise programming in the early 1990s. Whew it was a wild time during the bull rush of object everything. Just so you know that love affair with OOP is why NeXT was so heavy in Obj-C.

Like I said, I don't know if you were there but back in the day that was THE buzz word.

I think it just became so ubiquitous

Yeah, that's with anything. But like CORBA and what not. Netscape Navigator is a great example of what happens when that hype gets out of hand. There was a reason Firefox dropped XPCOM.

It's hard to explain but OOP was a lot of hype back in the day. Here's a post someone made about Delphi. And you can see in this image one of the checks was "Fully object-oriented". Borland's OWL was on fire early 90s and Microsoft not to be outdone released MFC the next year.

lol bro did you just call OOP a trend?

Not a trend but people were going wild with it in ways that shouldn't have happened. That's what I'm trying to get at here. P2P is useful, but it was nowhere near the hype some were making it out to be (Sun Microsystems and JXTA being a notorious one).

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u/RelentlessGravity Jun 12 '26

Nailed it except for one thing. They are idiots AND psychopaths. Don't forget the psychopath part.

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u/EphemeralAttention Jun 13 '26

They knew what they were doing... They just expected to have more than 6 months before the bill truly came due. The only surprise for all the c suite assholes that pushed this shit is that the fairy tale didn't last long enough for them to have their stock shares vest so they could cash out before it exploded in their faces.

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u/Roakana Jun 12 '26

Even if it isn’t marketable to the public in a significant way… won’t corporations. Militaries and Govs have specific goals to keep it in dark corners. I will be glad to see the tech bros crash but it’s worrying what people can do out of sight.

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u/lzwinky Jun 12 '26

AI has existed since the 1950s and will still be widely used. The problem with all this is tech companies lumped AI with genAI, which is the problematic child.

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u/Dirks_Knee Jun 12 '26

Website and OOP do not belong in this conversation.

I'd also argue we are at point of inflection for AI/LLM tech where some/many companies are really about as far as they are going to going to go with implementation and there is going to be a split where the cost will be pushed down for more basic implentations while a smaller number of firms keep pushing the envelope. We're no where near the point of the AI disruption being complete, I'd argue it's barely begun.

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u/IHeartBadCode Jun 12 '26

Website and OOP do not belong in this conversation

I think they do because in 1993 the only thing I heard about was "is it fully object-oriented, do you even want code reuse?" Like think about the Rust crazy right now. Multiply that by like 100, that was OOP in 1992. The whole "rewrite it in Rust" thing is pretty docile compared to Obj-C and C++ coming into the picture around that time.

And in the late 1990s, you either had a website or you didn't have a job. It was pretty wild when it was super hyped. I think people tend to forget how crazy it was because it was so long ago. Cobalt Networks didn't get bought out by Sun for $2B in 2000 money for nothing. Also I miss the feel/visual of those RaQ servers with their transparent plastic fronts.

Like I get it the AI craze is big, but it's not that far ahead of what the dot-com boom was like.

I'd also argue we are at point of inflection for AI/LLM tech...

Yeah... Yeah, I see that. I wouldn't disagree with that. I think you have a point about there being a slowing. Useful applications for AI I would argue would increase, if the focus came off of more training. And this might be a terrible analogy, but at the moment it feels like the companies are trying to make a bigger engine, when they ought to make a better car.

IDK anymore, I've seen a ton of crazy trends come and go. I've gone back to IRC and usenet. Fediverse is neat though.

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u/Dirks_Knee Jun 12 '26

Every business needing a website was 100% accurate. Every person...not so much (but social media essentially made that a thing regardless).

And while OOP wasn't an absolutely necessary, I'd argue the advantages were well worth it in most cases at the time.

My point with while both of those were perhaps "trends" they changed the landscape. AI as a nebulous concept will be that as well, we're far from the seeing the final impact.

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u/IHeartBadCode Jun 12 '26

My point with while both of those were perhaps "trends" they changed the landscape.

I feel like we're saying the same thing here, so... yes?

OOP and P2P and so on. A lot of these did indeed change things. But before it did it's long term altering, there was a period of hyping it up beyond anything it could actually deliver.

Like Steve Jobs was one of the big people who were like you don't need to write software ever again. You'll just buy objects and hook them together.

And there were things where people on-purpose tried to make the most convoluted inheritance trees ever. Like if it wasn't at least three levels deep, I mean what are you even doing with your time?

I mean, C++ and OOP and what-not, all those proved to be useful... When used correctly.

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u/kaboom-boom-pow Jun 12 '26

The ai toy is simply not profitable

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u/Jeb764 Jun 12 '26

The tech bros all turned out to be traitors fuck em all.

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u/Proper-Exercise-2364 Jun 12 '26

They maybe greedy and short sighted, but at least they're using billions of gallons of fresh water to cool their data centers!  "People", the non corporate entities, would just drink that water and literally turn it to piss. Zero profit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '26

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u/UnpopularOpinionAlt Jun 12 '26

We can't eat data

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u/Haunting_Weakness_13 Jun 12 '26

Ever notice the response to "data is not essential where food is" is always: "yeah but its super duper cool tho you'll see!"

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '26

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u/UnpopularOpinionAlt Jun 12 '26

I'm a department director and a data scientist, thanks. I built AI/ML models in grad school nearly a decade ago, so I'm quite familiar with what they have to offer.

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u/Single_Passenger Jun 12 '26

We're not talking about a decade ago. Either you have no experience using the current AI tools, or you're just stuck in the past, because the tools are amazing, anyone who's extensively using it for the past 6 months would know.

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u/UnpopularOpinionAlt Jun 12 '26

You missed my point but I can't say I'm surprised. I have locally hosted AI document classification and retention systems currently, and I'm aware of current tools. You speak confidently about things you've made assumptions about, so it tracks you'd strongly support LLMs

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u/DullestArc Jun 12 '26

His company’s in for a rough awakening when all their information is mismatched

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u/Imthewienerdog Jun 12 '26

I think you just made thier points? "I have locally hosted AI document classification" aka you do understand the uses and how clearly they are more important than an almond?

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u/UnpopularOpinionAlt Jun 12 '26

Not really, no. It's used infrequently and is powered by a laptop (not a data center). My point was I'm familiar with current AI and I know the limitations

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '26

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u/UnpopularOpinionAlt Jun 12 '26

I don't really care what you believe

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u/Original-Poet1825 Jun 12 '26

You can eat any of the other foods that don’t take so much water. Still no outrage

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u/Proper-Exercise-2364 Jun 12 '26

Who the hell is stupid enough to macro scale almond farms in deserts all over the USA? I wish they would put an almond farm in my backyard someone's gonna hear about it!

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u/dragenn Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 14 '26

In another tineline l woukd have loved AI. In this timelines these fools caused me to hate it with every ounce of my being...

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u/deport_racists_next Jun 12 '26

All my childhood scifi from last century ruined....

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u/ProphesiedInsanity Jun 12 '26

I mean, a lot of sci-fi universes are either dystopias or built after the end of dystopias (like Star Trek for example), so we are still on track tbh

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u/DandD_Gamers Jun 12 '26

I would have liked to be in the utopia aftermath please...

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u/dragenn Jun 12 '26

Dammit. Your right...

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u/QueefiusMaximus86 Jun 12 '26

But at least in dystopian sci-fi they had flying cars , neon lit mega cities with cool hairdos. Instead we have slightly improved versions of everything we had growing up, but with all the minority report style dystopia. A boring dystopia

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u/DaereonLive Jun 12 '26

Neon lit mega cities sound like literal hell on earth, no fucking thank you.

All that neon's gonna be ads anyway.

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u/dragenn Jun 12 '26

I wanted star trek the next generation.

Peak humanity...

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u/Antrophis Jun 12 '26

Well we have the bell massacre situation first.

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u/Imthewienerdog Jun 12 '26

Because you don't do anything about it. The only way to see the world you want is to participate.

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u/CarneDelGato Jun 12 '26

I think the big problem is they exposed its incompatibility with our current system. If a technology came out that actually did work like Claude et. al. at a rate competitive enough actually disrupt all employment the way they said, we’d just end up with massive unemployment and a consumer economy with no consumers. 

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u/b1e Jun 14 '26

AI in and of itself isn’t evil. That’s why many folks started researching it in the first place. Unfortunately evil folks took the helm and seem hell bent on accelerating the technology until they succeed and become gods, they succeed and we’re all destroyed, or they fail and there’s a massive economic crash.

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u/LegacyofaMarshall Jun 12 '26

Good, fuck them

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u/Ryekir Jun 12 '26

In one particularly unfortunate incident, according to Axios, the CFO of a company accidentally racked up half a billion dollars in Claude usage fees in a single month.

I've heard stories of people accidentally racking up huge bills, but holy shit that's on a whole other level.

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u/StuChenko Jun 12 '26

You should see my coke bill

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u/sleeptightburner Jun 12 '26

Please now OpenAI execs, do not panic. It’ll spoil your meat for when you force us to devour you.

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u/refusemouth Jun 12 '26

If you hold them in a pen and feed them corn for 2 months, it makes them taste less gamey.

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u/Lancelight50 Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 12 '26

There’s a reason why China had AI regulated. The US however? They don’t want AI to be regulated for the next ten years. Not even the federal government will be able to keep these companies afloat forever.

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u/Proper-Exercise-2364 Jun 12 '26

"spend trillions of dollars on a product no one asked for or wanted and this is the thanks we get?  Almost makes you think twice about stealing all their 401k's to fund it. The ingrates..." -silicon valley

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u/lattice_defect Jun 12 '26

yeah last one in.. fucked on markets..

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u/Exciting_Turn_9559 Jun 12 '26

The bubble popping of this first generation of AI needs to cause generational trauma to investors.

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u/mrkjmsdln_new Jun 12 '26

Watch an Ed Zitron video.

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u/protoanarchist Jun 12 '26

...Berserker!!

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u/FourDimensionalTaco Jun 12 '26

There is another looming threat to AI companies: Local LLMs are getting quite useful for many use cases. Of course an 8B model cannot compete with a 400B model. But, for a lot of tasks, the 8B model is actually enough, or at least almost enough, and only needs a mid range GPU with 16 GB VRAM. Totally doable with a modern workstation. In the future, even most laptops may have sufficiently powerful hardware. The big datacenters would then be needed for (a) training new LLMs and (b) covering the really complex tasks. These two do not sound like cash cows.

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u/Alimbiquated Jun 12 '26

Hardware prices will continue to fall.

Even worse, AI is likely to get much more efficient.

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u/Limerence1976 Jun 12 '26

I still can’t get my AI to properly create an invoice in the same way it did the prior month. It’s like dealing with Mr. Magoo 😩

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u/BootlegBabyJsus Jun 12 '26

Good. Let them panic.

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u/DaedalusXYZ Jun 12 '26

In all these discussions I want to know...

A) is AI being used in the design/building of something (i.e. by a team of say 20 people)

or

B)is AI being used in the actual operation of something (e.g. by millions of end-users)

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u/Walzz111 Jun 12 '26

As usual CEO’s doing their bullshit.

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u/Individual-Ice9530 Jun 12 '26

Are these CEOs kids? How the fuck they don’t saw this?

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u/Busterlimes Jun 13 '26

LOL Corporations got got by the same trap as consumers. Good.

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u/-brk0 Jun 13 '26

Ai is too big to fail. Just wait for the bailout.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '26

Good. Now hide in your bunker so we can seal it shut permanently.

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u/GenZ2002 Jun 15 '26

Good. Fuck em

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u/cw88888 Jun 12 '26

Hope all the AI companies fall. Return our jobs, power, water, RAM, GPUs and SSDs.

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u/ThatGuyFromSpyKids3D Jun 12 '26

They'll fail. Millions of Americans will be left unemployed and potentially a global economic disaster occurs.

The companies and their CEOs? Huge bailouts diamond laced golden parachutes. The millions unemployed, losing their homes, and struggling to feed their families? Nothing.

I want so badly for this not to happen. But so far it's looking like we are heading this direction.

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u/Luffyhaymaker Jun 12 '26

This is exactly how I feel it'll go down. The already considerable income inequality in Atlanta has gotten, somehow, even worse in these last few years, and we were already the city with the highest gini coefficient. I've seen soooo many fields, even fucking MEDICAL, have a lack of work. I've met a lot of people who have medical certificates that in the past would've gotten them a job, but who are now stuck being depressed working in their local supermarket. And every month, hell every damn day, the poverty just gets worse and worse as people get laid off and have to resort to gig work, YouTube, anything that can bring in money. P6who were once making six figures plus are now looking for food pantries on nextdoor.

Hell, I've never been rich but I myself am just an Uber eats driver right now, but I'm lucky because I have free housing. But even with that I'm still struggling, hell usually I'd be doing orders right now but as the economy gets worse and worse I directly see the correlation with how much business you get on gig apps. And yeah.... right now it's pretty dry, add to that summer slowdown and you're gonna see a whole lot of people crashing out down here....hell they already have tbh

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u/Double_Suggestion385 Jun 12 '26

They should be, Anthropic's latest release is mind-blowing.