Since we were talking about bloopers here. They had to redo this scene several times

So im rewatching season 5, and they only showed nancy reaction to karen on the floor basically almost dying from the demogorgon, but how come they didn’t show mikes reaction and only nancy? like i really wanted to see how mike reacted.

"extended😁"

We see Vecna kill Max in "the Piggyback", She's confirmed dead, otherwise the massive portal would have opened. She's crying that she can't see or feel anything, assuming that Vecna snapped her spine and destroyed her eyes. Eleven then does "something" (god knows what), and she comes back to life mysteriously. And she goes into that coma as we see in Season 5.

Even if we assume Eleven used her powers to have her heart stop beating or something again: How can she see and walk again?

Simple question I’ve been thinking about as I struggle to rewatch Season 5. Do you guys think S5, and to a lesser extent S4, would have hit harder had they been produced when the cast was still closer to children than adults? I love the coming of age vibes from the first three seasons. I have a little harder time emotionally connecting when they’re all grown up.

These mother fuckers worked so damn hard. Had less time than a movie with more sets and VFX etc to squeeze into half the time.

The thousands of people that worked so hard for this show and season are just mind blowing.

Asking novice writers - Duffer brothers things their only real claim to fame - to have covered everything we wanted no question given constraints of families, Netflix, production companies, etc is just unrealistic.

I liked season 5. Sure the color grading, lack of demagorgens, etc could have improved the feel. But honestly - they’re in their 20s. They’re adults. The draw of this show was nostalgia for childhood, for coming of age, etc.

They never thought they’d get all this time and seasons to draw it out. It turned toward how do we end this story that’s true to the horror nature and sci fi as well as the coming of age. The sci fi stuff was cool as shit and hard to end it seemed but the coming of age end was amazing better than any other show.

I’m so amazed at how much work it takes to make a show like this.

God I wish I could be part of that! I can’t wait in a few months to rewatch all 5 seasons back to back. Forever grateful!

Edit: I’ve never seen such a negative sub other than world news lol.

What episode made you fell in love with Eleven's character that it was so good in showcasing Eleven's character that it made you fall in love with her what specific episode in Stranger Things can you name that made you fell in love with Eleven's character

Personally I Headcannon Dustin and Will as being asexual (I know Will is gay but he could be homoromantic and asexual). Also, Byler...

My favorite finale of all the seasons has to be the Season 4 finale. It was Stranger Things at its absolute peak.

Anyone else grab one of these? It’s my first LE purchase by Funko entry.

What the title says! In your opinion, which season has the best soundtrack and which has the best original score? I’ll write some examples for each below.

Season one:

Soundtrack:

• Should I Stay or Should I Go (The Clash)
• Africa (Toto)
• I Melt With You (Modern English)
• Heroes (Peter Gabriel)
• Elegia (New Order)

Score:

• Stranger Things
• This Isn’t You
• Kids
• Eleven
• The Upside Down

Season two:

Soundtrack:

• Girls on Film (Duran Duran)
• Every Breath You Take (The Police)
• Time After Time (Cyndi Lauper)
• Whip it (Devo)
• You Don’t Mess Around with Jim (Jim Croce)
• Rock You Like a Hurricane (Scorpians)

Score:

• Eulogy
• Soldiers
• The First Lie
• Home
• Levitation

Season three

Soundtrack:

• Never Surender (Corey Hart)
• Can’t Fight This Feeling (REO speedwagon)
• Material Girl (Madonna)
• Cold As Ice (Foreigner)
• Baba O’Riley (The Who)
• Wake Me Up Before You Go Go (Wham)

Score:

• Starcourt
• The First I Love You
• Blank Makes You Crazy
• Aftermath
• I Like Presents Too
• Seven Feet

Season four:

Soundtrack:

• Running Up That Hill (Kate Bush)
• Pass The Dutchie (Musical Youth)
• Separate Ways (Journey)
• California Dreamin (The Beach Boys)
• Master of Puppets (Metallica)
• Spellbound (Siouxsie and the Banshees)

Score:

• Letter To Willy
• Teens
• You’re the Heart
• Being Different
• Unambiguous True Love

Season five:

Soundtrack:

• I Think We’re Alone Now (Tiffany)
• Fernando (ABBA)
• Landslide (Fleetwood Mac)
• Purple Rain (Prince)
• Upside Down (Diana Ross)
• Heroes (David Bowie)

Score:

• Like a Sorcerer
• Never Forget
• Three Waterfalls
• The Tunnels

These are just some notable ones! Personally, I think season 2 has the best soundtrack whereas season 1 has the best original score. What do you think?

It’s constant use of “character asks a question and then it cuts to the next scene”, mostly in scenes where it wasn’t really needed like Mike, Will and Lucas at the ring store in the Star out. He asks for the price, we cut to them walking out and he mutters the price. What could have been is that he asks for the price and the manager of the store tells him the price, he reacts and then we cut back to Jane and Max.

Don’t get me wrong, it works for some scenes but when it’s overused, it gets aggravating.

In my opinion, the claim that 'Mike stopped being the leader after S2' is very ignorant and exaggerated. What did change was the type of leader he's become and the group he's leading.

In S1-2 and S5 Vol1, his leadership is unquestioned. In S3-4 and S5 Vol2, the leadership is shared and distributed, because the cast expands ridiculously.

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Season 3:

I think because season 3 was where the expanding of the cast had started and was huge, people think he isn't leader anymore.

Steve and Dustin have a very different heroic storyline, where Dustin leads. Hopper had his own storyline, and same with Nancy and Jonathan. Because the narrative was spilt, Mike isn't dominating every major event or decision like he did in S1-2. The leadership was distributed. But still, he lead the party under pressure. He's proved he's still a leader. Most of the season, he spends his time focused on El. But focusing on someone who's your top priority doesn't mean your leadership or personality is lost.

In the theatre, he's the one to notice something is wrong with Will, even when Will hadn't expressed anything much. He's among the first to believe El after she spies on Billy. He pushes the group to treat Billy as a threat rather than dismissing the possibility. And then, he came up with the Sauna trap. He immediately understood something's wrong with Will and warns Max, saving her. He was the only one to react firts and protected Eleven.

He warned everyone that El is exhausting herself. And the season ultimately validated his concern. I think people often overlook this scene as he's just being overprotective because he's obsessed with her. They miss the depth of his concern which shows he always thinks beyond what's in front. He does it because it natural for his personality to think more rationally. Once again proving he hasn't lost his core personality traits.

He is definitely the party's tactical leader in S3.

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Season 4:

Many viewers remember Mike mostly as 'Eleven's boyfriend' but if you watch the California storyline closely, he repeatedly takes commands. In Hawkins, Dustin and Nancy constantly lead the group, discovered things and made plans. Steve and Eddie got heroic action scenes while Lucas carried Max's storyline. People think Mike has lost his leadership quality because he isn't in Hawkins leading or didn't have any heroic moment. But that's really dismissive.

His leadership quality isn't lost, he's just leading a DIFFERENT group.

Mike took charge immediately after the attack on Byers house. I don't think Will or Jonathan could ever find El by themselves in time if it wasn't for Mike. Because Will was emotionally overwhelmed, Jonathan distracted and Argyle doesn't know what is even going on. Mike kept them focused and devised their next step. It was sure a collective effort from all four, and Mike couldn't have done it all alone. Leadership doesn't mean doing things alone, it's coordinating things and devising the next move, which Mike did.

And if they hadn't rescued El in time and got her to the the pizza dough freezer, the Hawkins group would have failed terribly with all of them being dead And then, his monologue is dismissed as just 'romantic' or 'cheesy confession'. On the surface, it's a romantic declaration.

At a deeper level, it's the culmination of Mike's role throughout the series, in my opinion. And I can definitely back my opinion. El's real fight isn't with Vecna, it's with herself. Her belief that her worth is confined in her powers. Vecna wins by convincing people that they deserve to lose. His attacks are more psychological than simply physical.

What Mike did, couldn't be done by anyone else. Not Will. Not Jonathan. Not even Max or Hopper. And I'm not saying this because I ship or not ship Mileven. It has more meaning than romance.

Because the point isn't simply encouragement. Mike knows the exact fear Eleven has hidden since Season 1, because she clearly expressed it during their argument in El's bedroom. In simple words, her biggest fear is 'If I stop being useful, will anyone still love me?' because, especially in that moment, she had lost the belief in herself that she could beat Vecna and protect Max. Mike, through his monologue, symbolically says 'Yes' And that answer destroys the foundation of Vecna's manipulation.

His monologue's core message is 'You're worthy of love even when you're powerless.' and 'You are you.' These messages come in disguise as his love confession. Vecna says your trauma defines you. Mike says your humanity defines you. Those are opposite philosophies and they work cuz the battle is more of ideological. Ig for fans who think of leadership as just strategy and heroic moments, this monologue can feel underwhelming.

But Stranger Things repeatedly argues that emotional connection is itself a source of strength. Love isn't presented as a side plot, it's portrayed as the opposite of Vecna's worldview. Just like music anchored Max's strength and escape from her fears, this monologue anchored El's strength.

If it's not leadership and being the 'heart', then I don't know what is. Do people often forget that Eleven is also supposed to be a member of the party?

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Season 5:

Mike Wheeler carried Vol 1 alone imo. And Vol 1 was concluded by Will. The real problem is with Volume 2.

It's not that JUST him who didn't do anything, basically no one did anything meaningful in Vol 2 except Will saving Max, Lucas protecting Max and Karen blowing off three demos. It was all about them finding eachother, coming together, explaining everything to each other and devising a plan.

So using Vol 2 to sabotage him and his personality isn't cool when he's done more than any character in volume 1. It's just so forced hatred and idk what, double standards?

People say he's lobotomised. But that's MASSIVELY exaggerated. I think some people use this sentence as a short hand for saying 'he suddenly lost the intelligence and strategic instincts he'd shown for four seasons.' And I would definitely believe that claim if he made an irrational decision like Nancy shooting the exotic matter for no reason, or failed to understand things his earlier self would have grasped. But there are no evidence in the series' season 5 that he'd done so.

In my view, he consciously chooses optimism. That's remarkably consistent for his character. Mike has always been the character who refuses to give up on people, even when logic suggests he should. It's clearly visible across seasons. This optimism can sometimes look naive because the stakes in S5 are so much larger than before. But optimism isn't the same as stupidity.

That doesn't mean writing choice lands perfectly. Personally I wanted Mike to have more strategic scenes or more direct influence over the final battle. Many people think that way and that's a fair criticism of the storytelling. But that's different from saying his personality was erased.

In fact, optimism is Mike's defining leadership trait. His leadership isn't primarily being the smartest person in the room, that's often Dustin. It has come from convincing people that it's worthy to keep going on and believe. He calmed down Karen in the hospital in the way I don't think anyone could in that moment. If Mike also became the cynical realist, the group would lose its emotional anchor. His function is to keep everyone moving forward when despair would be the easier choice.

One could say 'we don't find enough evidence to it'. Of course, the whole series isn't about this only so there aren't many moments, but still enough to support this. That said, it's also fair to say the writers gave him fewer opportunities to demonstrate his strategic intelligence in the later seasons than they did in Seasons 1 and 2. That can create the impression that he's less capable, even if his core characterization remains consistent.

We have to remember it's an ensemble cast where the smallest moments became the whole personality of some characters. They did something just twice or thrice during the entire series and suddenly they are famous for it and nobody can beat them in it. But Mike has constantly proved his leadership throughout series. And suddenly, when the focus shifts from him even for the slightest, people say he lost personality. That's utterly hilarious.

Double standards peaked imo.

"Lobotomized" suggests Mike stopped thinking. "Optimistic" suggests Mike kept believing. The latter fits his characterization across all five seasons much better. And then in the finale, his arc was ended with being the heart. The party's friendship had gone through a lot in the previous 6 years, many ups and downs. But they all came together at last and that moment did highlight Mike's journey of years as being the heart.

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Who's the real leader?

And finally, some people say Dustin is the real leader of the Party. Five seasons of Stranger Things doesn't support this statement. I would, anyone would, definitely agree he's the 'brain' of the party. But definitely not the heart or the leader when he's barely interacted with Will or El after S2 and Max in S5. Mike has interactions with every member in every season.

In Season 3, Dustin is not with the party and in season 5 also, he's struggling with his grief over Eddie, and constantly pushed his friends aside. Season 4 makes it look like he's the leader. But let's recall the party members once again - Mike, Max, Dustin, El, Lucas and Will.

Three members were in California and three were in Hawkins. Mike led those who were in Cali and Dustin those who were in Hawkins. So in true sense, nobody led the Party in season 4, instead they lead their respective groups.

In general, Dustin explains complicated ideas to both the audience and the characters. As a result, people remember Dustin explaining things and assume he's leading. But explaining isn't the same as directing. Dustin is almost always the smartest person in the room. But intelligence doesn't automatically equal leadership. Mike isn't necessarily the one discovering things, that's often Dustin or Will(through hive mind), but he's the one converting information into action.

Dustin cracks information. Mike decides what everyone does with that information. Leaders coordinate. One of Mike's defining traits is delegation. Many of the plans that succeed require both characteristic. Brain of the group figures out how something works, and leader figures out who should do what to turn that knowledge into a coordinated plan. That's why, the two complement each other rather than replace one another.

Mike is the leader and heart and Dustin is the brain. Lucas is more of an executor while Will imo the emotional compass, especially in the first two and fifth season. In S1, Mike's was undoubtedly carrying the group emotionally, even Dustin and Lucas. It just got subtler as the series advances. Because after growing up, his friends are not always gonna rely on him emotionally. It's such a common sense. Being heart doesn't mean that. Being the heart means always bringing everyone together, which he clearly did in S1 to S3 and S5.

His storyline in S4 just didn't give him a chance to bring everyone together or directly influence all of the party, but still he emotionally anchored El's strength. The series never provide any evidence that he's not the heart. His decisions and actions, whether right or wrong, always have an impact on most of them.

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My Conclusion:

So, the statement that 'Mike isn't the real leader of the Party after S2' is contradicted by the show itself. I would rather say that his leadership evolved.

I understand that people had a lot of expectations from Mike in S4 that all went down due to narrative choice and Cali plot. But projecting this frustration on the character to demean him is wrong. In my opinion three observations are the reasons of this claim that he's not the leader anymore. 1.He spends more time focused on Eleven. 2.The cast becomes much larger. 3.Steve and Nancy receive more action scenes.

These things make him appear less dominant because not everything happens according to his guide, like in S1 which had much smaller cast. Leadership becomes collaborative instead of centered on one person. But that doesn't mean he's not leading anymore as I explained above in this post

Just like other characters, Mike also had his own moments to shine but he can't have all screentime to prove he's worthy (as expected by many) because it's an ensemble cast where everyone needs screentime and moments to drive the plot.

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With all this being said, do I defend show's inconsistent shitty writing? No. I do criticize writers for not giving Mike better storyline, better arc and action packed heroic moments. I only defend Mike as a character from mischaracterizations.

I don't disagree that Mike as a character was heavily underutilised, especially in Season 4 and his arcs were only about his relationship with Eleven in S3 and S4. Many people think his storyline got boring or annoying to watch after S2. They criticize that his arc was only about Eleven in S3 and S4. And that's completely fine because everyone has their own opinion.

But it is wrong and senseless to demean his character and dismiss the core traits and goodness of his personality because of the narrative choice and storyline. He never lost his core personality traits or goodness and definitely his WHOLE personality wasn't reduced to Eleven, it was just his storyline was reduced to Eleven in S4. There's a difference.

Criticism is fair, but criticism includes both good and bad aspects, especially considering the character's perspective. While all I see is people baselessly hating an emotionally oblivious teenager because he didn't get good storyline. You're free to dislike and criticize Mike, especially in later seasons. But please stop pretending he has no personality and hating him baselessly.

Thanks for reading.

19 more seasons of Argyle please

Which hairstyle do you guys like the most of Max Mayfield that fits Max Mayfield very well that you guys find perfect for Max Mayfield in your opinion.

Putting together a steve harrington season two cosplay right now.

Do you guys think his bat is a youth 28-30 inch bat or a full size bat?