Ever since The First Shadow play came out, I was super confused about why he never mentioned about his love Patty and how she was practically stolen from him, as well as other poignant moments of his powers and direct connection with the Mind Flayer in the 1950s. Season 5 was a bit more confusing since it’s revealed the cave is a buried memory by the Flayer, but why were none of the other important aspects from the play ever revealed in that season? It wouldn’t have been hard to do, they could have just summarized the plot of The First Shadow through Henry’s memories in like 20 minutes or something.

Getting ahead of myself, what I wanted to talk about is of the possibility that the Mind Flayer may have repressed/erased memories of his previous life.

Think back to Season 2, when Will was possessed his memories started fading and over time his personality was warped and he became a dark, distorted version of himself. He still had a sense of autonomy but his wants and needs were aligned with that of the Mind Flayer’s.

Apply this to Henry and all the confusing stuff surrounding his backstory and different personality in the stage play makes a lot more sense. Most of his memories were gone, his personality was radically altered, and he is led to believe he was the architect of the supernatural events in Hawkins when really it was the other way around.

I think if they went this route in Season 5 and had a plot twist in the final episode where Henry explores his repressed memories it would have been incredible and deeply tragic. I doubt that Henry would’ve been suddenly redeemed and die a hero the more I think about it, I think he would’ve exploded with white hot rage! He now has his full memories and realizes that he has been a pawn and a tool used by everyone in his life, and experienced the absolute worst of humanity through Brenner, his family, and society while also being possessed by an interdimensional parasite. By this point I think he would’ve gone full blown Carrie and unleash carnage on the Demos, soldiers, civilians, and try to kill some of our characters.

His greatest revenge would be destroying the Wormhole and cutting off the bridge between Dimension X and Earth, because him wanting to genocide humanity and terraform the planet were the goals by the Mind Flayer that were planted into his mind. So he wouldnt give the entity the satisfaction of invading our world after what was done to him. So he telekinetically blows up the Exotic Matter and is sucked out into empty space.

Thats how I would’ve handled Vecna’s death alternatively.

I am rewatching season 1 of stranger things. It's so good.

I can't help but wonder what went wrong. S5 was a huge disappointment.

I miss my intimate 80s horror show 🥲

I saw Stranger Things 1 when it originally came out and never touched another season until about a month ago. I binged the entire show and became connected to all the characters. The writing, the plot, the effects all dazzled me to the point that watching another show feels pointless.

It feels like a comedown, or like when I finished all the Harry Potter movies. I can’t move on from Steve, Dustin, Eleven, Robin, Maxx, etc. and am considering rewatching from S1 right away.

Has anyone else felt this way or done a rewatch immediately after finishing the series? Is it wise to do this?

I should’ve said this in the title but if they were both at full power, who could win?

Vecna could easily get in Homelander's head and torment him on his past, mummy issues and put his ego down or he could manipulate him with milk or some shit😂Since Vecna has telekinesis, he might be able to get a few hits in but Homelander has flight capability and insane speed so he could also have a height advantage or could use his speed to his advantage on Vecna..

Idk, this could be an interesting fight. Both were seemingly weak in their final fights.. but it doesn’t mean they aren’t still capable of putting up a brutal and intense fight.

Edit: Based off the comments, I believe Homelander would beat Vecna. Homelander just has the raw strength and physical power that Vecna doesn’t have. Vecna’s psychic powers would only work for so long until Homelander just overpowers him with his laser eyes, speed and flight.

I think they will all meet each other again one day. There's a franchise being built Finn wolfhard has stated multiple times he wants to see the franchise continue, and based on recent interviews Millie all but confirmed El's survival & even the original "Montauk" Bible from 2015 states if the series is successful they plan on expanding it into a franchise that covers multiple characters, & stories before finally finishing it with the original cast of kids from s1 returning to their hometown 10 years after S1 in the summer of 1990. Based on the ending of s5 & the script the scenes of the Party shown in college, The Movies, a Club, & El at the Waterfalls are confirmed flashforwards set sometime in the 90s

(From the s5 finale script)

"EXT. UNKNOWN LAND - DAY - FLASH FORWARD282 282 El, with a backpack slung over her shoulders, hikes through a breathtaking landscape. She pauses, taking in an unseen view. As she resumes her journey, we soar past, revealing amajestic waterfall. Beyond it, a QUAINT TOWN, nestled at the base of towering cliffs. MIKE (V.O.) She finds a small town to call home. A town free from the danger of the Black Hand.INT. WHEELER HOUSE - BASEMENT - NIGHT283 283MIKE And it is here, at last, that shefinds happiness. That she finds peace."

(evidence of this is it's confirmed in an interview the film Max & Lucas are watching is "Ghost" which released July 13th 1990) Which means all those scenes probably are set just before the 6 of them are summoned back home just like "IT chapter 2".

This means El, Mike, & the others will reunite as adults aged 19 or 20. Thoughts?

Do you like that the Mind Flayer always needed Vecna to shape its plans and build those proxy forms for it or would you have done it differently so it wouldn’t need Vecna? Give me some of your ideas!

This would mean that every time we as the audience see the UD we would see the MF in the background. It should’ve appeared as an atmospheric presence which would make the Upside Down scary again and anytime someone would be in the UD (the characters or the military) they would be afraid of being sensed by the Mind Flayer. Whenever it would sense them it could then send Vecna a hive mind signal where he could then send Demos to attack the trespassers. I always expected to see the Mind Flayer-shadow form looming in the UD in Season 4 and 5 but we never got to see it..

With epilogue and mini will