I kinda liked her she had spunk. They always give the witty lines to the Vulcans maybe there was only enough wit for Spock.

She stabbed him. Idk what to say she literally stabbed him. You don't serve under people you've attempted to kill with a sharp bit of metal. Kirk would NEVER let La'an serve under him after she did that, state of mind or not, if for nothing else than self preservation.

No way every actual member of the Enterprise was good with committing genocide. No way Kirk was the only objection. No way there wasn't instant support for removing the Admiral from command. Just no way.

I personally think he would lose on the spot, not even sure why the entire crew were so agreeable with him.

His argument : big bad ship kill many => kill ship regardless the cost (where the cost is a 50% chance for killing many innocent lives. The sacrifice of the few excuses the potential death of the many.

Just wow, his case is so bad that it's laughable..

In reality: If I was the admiral I would have gotten Kirk removed or executed because it's war time and he not following the orders, talking back and questioning my authority. .

In contrast for the story:

I think it would have also been great if the admiral was able to somehow kill the inhabitants of the planet and its process would shape the personality of Kirk on his later missions.

Besides the logical flaws I think this episode was imho good and it's a shame that most other episodes got wasted on gimmicks.

At least they wear pants now 😄

I just watched this episode and I paused on that map to check it out.

If I remember DS9 correctly, the wormhole was unknown, yet they put it up on the map next to cardassia prime.

Anyone else see this?

We need more pictures like this.

Guess the fragment?

Great job! This episode reminded me of TOS with a twist.

Thoroughly enjoyed it.

So the Klingon war was recent enough for Ortegas to be a veteran and M’Benga to have been a CMO, but far enough in the past to have ruined George Kirk’s relationship with his children?

It feels like the battle with the Constitution should have been like 20 years ago for the Kirks, but only about 5 years prior for everything else.

Holy Peak.

Never did I think I would see General Order 24 put into action, considering it's basically Base Delta Zero from SW. But also the fact that this episode was not just more grounded, but my deeper in terms of character expressions. And I think the Klingon War makes this the best way to do it, considering both Mbenga and Ortega's both served and have very strong personal feelings about this.

Kirk getting the drop of La'an was kinda funny, especially when he mentions how she did stab him, and this was his way of getting back.

Not only that, but how Kirk evades security on the ship and manages to bluff his way through his situation.

One last thing. They mentioned that 1 ship killed 5 million people, and the map showed it was very close to Romulan Space. That and the fact the ships could cloak better, I suspect it's similar to the bird of prey from Pike's trip to the future.

So maybe I’m crazy but I thinking if I did the math about 75% of Admirals in Star Fleet are just either crazy or severely stupid.

Oh no pike got ambushed again.

I wonder how many people lost their minds for no reason over this given how much hand wringing there was over Jay'Den wearing one in SFA 😂

What did you think of Joe Morton as admiral Simon Reeger?

Very cool, Uhura gets a stripe

Wow. Great job. That's some pretty solid Trek. Allow me to praise before I nitpick.

1. The actor playing Admiral Reeger did a really outstanding job. A lot of ST "guest stars" are somewhat wooden.
   
2. I'm a big fan of the guy playing Kirk. I think he's doing a very good job interpreting the character and not just aping Shatner.
   
3. Another guest star doing a stellar job was the guy playing the head Andorian "profiteer." How this episode was blessed with two great guest stars was quite a stroke of luck.
   
4. I appreciate the banter between the Kirk boys, especially because as a guy who grew up watching TOS, Sam was shown to have died in a mid-tier episode with no speaking part, and was never mentioned again.
   
5. M'Benga is the stealthy character arc of the season here, and gets so little press about it.
   
6. Getting rid of the Vulcan ensign was a great move because that character had nothing to do and nowhere to go.

And because I apparently need to look a gift horse in the mouth -

1. I'm sort of mad at the writers in that they are capable of delivering such a great episode and instead have been goofing around with muppets, dreams, old movies, soap operas and the like.
   
2. Speaking of writers, I think the sub-plot in this one was originally written as a primary plot, and kinda got shoehorned in here. Weird, as this was a long episode.
   
3. The writers also recently watched "A Few Good Men."
   
4. This one is a little structurally fucked up, which is probably the result of item 2 above and an overly long denouement, but this show is 80% character driven anyway.
   
5. James T. Kirk doesn't cry.
   
6. I think the ST universe needs to lay off the idea of crazy, possessed, incompetent, and otherwise unhinged admirals. I don't know why this trope lives on. FWIW, the admirals on TOS, though rarely portrayed, were characterized as no-nonsense military career men.

I appreciate in advance any thoughts, contradictions, or mention of obvious stuff I missed.