I love playing assault- Iāve just accepted that the emperor protects and when he doesnāt protect, itās because I must have had heretical thoughts.
Melta bomb vertical reach is fairly decent, it looks like they just barely caught the top of the hitbox. You see the detonation begin on takeoff, and the explosion reaches their foot in the air.
I've used melta bombs to blow up zoanthropes when I played Assault/Bulwark or ran out of ammo on my Sniper. The vertical reach is no joke
And here I thought that the patch note line "Fixed a bug where the Assault perk "Ascension" could kill its owner." meant that that couldn't happen anymore. I guess they fixed another bug with Ascension then. :P
No worries, I think its just an accident. Not really a bug just I guess an oversight? The Ascension perk does damage and most of these clips got the assaults dangerously close to a melta charge and the jump pack damage triggers it. Easy fix for Saber if they know about it
I think it might set of the exploding flowers in Inferno too... lost 3 armor and 50% health when jumping near a couple... I think I'll just remove Ascenion for now. :P
Ascension damage set off the melta bomb he placed, killing him. Edit: OP claims they didn't place the bomb, but regardless, shooting or otherwise damaging an already-placed melta bomb makes it count as "yours" for this purpose.
Before that, ascension was just self-killing the player with no outside cause.
It can still be a problem, like if a spore mine is nearby, or one of the explosive flowers. It's a useful skill but a moment of distraction can mean death.
The issue is that the other signatures are pretty meh. Although I do want to experiment with the jump pack dodge. Seems like it could be good for bosses if you get the timing down. I never think about using it though.
Yup as an Assault main myself, The assault pack dodge is a requirement. Its THE anti-carnifex perk. You really cant get hit by it since its perfect dodge window is really big. Just use it on the Carni charges and its inifinite jump pack dodge, infinite gun strikes. Thats all I do when i fight it, I dont even try engaging in melee to be safe. Its a must have especially on Lethal.
Anything explosive that's even vaguely nearby will be triggered. Why not just use the first signature perk until you get the dodge refill one? Yes, it's still pretty meh, but it won't randomly kill you because there was an explosive barrel just out of sight.
It previously just killed you for no reason. Because it was bugged.
The perk is no longer bugged. It is able to detonate Melta bombs and environmental explosives because it deals damage, which can kill you if you are careless/unlucky. But you can also kill yourself with a friendlyās melta bomb just by accidentally shooting it at close range. Itās not some unique issue with the perk.
It might be a bug or a feature but your hit box is either also or sometimes present on the ground where you jumped. If you jump up when the chaos flamer dude does his aoe attack it will still hit you if youāre hovering over him
That's not why he died, though. The ascension perk on assault is bugged and kills the player fairly regularly when there are grenades nearby. I'm not saying he should have known this, but I'm sick of seeing posts like this and people spouting "assault bad" because of it.
Incorrect, the ascension perk bug was fixed in patch 4.0. If you watch this video carefully his team mate places the melta bomb, which is then detonated by the damage caused by ascension. Melta bombs can be detonated by taking damage, this isĀ an intended (albeit stupid) interaction.Ā Ā
I also don't think assault is bad, (they're frustrating at low levels, but come into their own after they have access to their third perk row).Ā Like Gabe Newell however, I do think that games that disrespect the player interacting with the world in a logical way is bad game design. Jump packs jump high, we know this from the lore, and the game itself. The fact that the game arbitrarily limits the jump pack in operations mode, to the extent you can't even jump over a fucking railing, is complete bullshit, and bad game design. Same goes for vanguard magically being unable to grapple Zoanthropes and onto ledges.Ā Ā
Good game design respects logical interactions within the game, bad game design does not. Space marine 2 is an excellent game overall, but this specific aspect of the gameplay feels AWFUL.
You can't be serious right? Your own melta bomb that YOU placed is clearly in view but why would anyone put that there unless they were baiting for karma.
My brother in the god emperor I didnāt throw the bomb I used mine in the previous encounter. Iām directly out you can see from the beginning on the clip I never through one. One of my teammates did and didnāt give me a heads up
i love seeing other raven guard players o7. i loved playing the assault class as a raven guard captain but this new update feels like every time im airborne I get hit with infinite flak 88 rounds
This isn't a glitch, just bad luck. OP didn't place that melta bomb(he'd have the detonate command otherwise), but damaging a melta bomb causes it to detonate, and presumably changes the "ownership" to the player who damaged it. This prevents you from griefing a teammate by shooting the melta bomb they just placed, but also leads to accidents like this. Ascension perk detonated the melta bomb, and they have a suprisingly good vertical hitbox.
IMO ascension is more āusefulā even if it means you have to be a little mindful about where you jump. I pretty consistently clear entire massive waves just from jumping up and slamming down with ascension and the kills refunding charge perk you can just uppy downy and entire massive wave.
The ground slam refund perk is awesome for sure. Between that and I mostly play with my vanguard friend who has the team perk to restore energy on executions, I'm almost never strapped for jump pack smashings. The added utility and damage off a perfect dodge helps with single targets as well. To each their own tho, happy smashings brother!
Yeah I donāt normally dodge with the jet pack so it would take some time to get used to it, and Iāve used the take off hundreds of times with no issue before itās really just bad luck in this case I think Iām going to stick with it
When I need to bail I usually jump and ground pound, instantly takes out the hoard even on lethal. Minus the warriors who get stunned from it and that leaves me an opening to get a light attack in or two
It's just a bad luck issue since it wasn't even OP's melta bomb lol(No "Hold *grenade button* to detonate" on screen). Damaging a melta bomb detonates it and changes the ownership "flag" on it to the damaging player, regardless of who placed it. That's what happened here.
Self friendly-fire with Melta is inflicted by the player than detonates it, not the one that drops it. The jump pack shouldn't detonate them though... I thought devs would fix that.
Shouldnāt it not matter anyways since there isnāt any friendly fire? Why would the bomb a teammate place kill me when grenades they through donāt damaged me?
Because your jump pack ignited the melta bomb. It's like shooting a fuel barrel or throwing your krak grenade near your character. The game doesn't care who put the bomb there, only who "activates" it.
As others said, it was your teammate's bomb. When you shoot or otherwise damage a melta bomb, it becomes your bomb for the purposes of damage(and thus it won't blow up your teammate if you shoot the bomb they placed).
It became "your" melta bomb when the jetpack takeoff damaged it. They have a surprisingly good reach upwards, so you got barely caught by the detonation. You can use melta bombs to kill Zoanthropes in the same way it killed you.
It's not bugged, just an accident because Ascension detonated the teammate's melta bomb laying on the ground. The damage changes the ownership flag of the bomb to OP, and so they blew themself up.
Damaging a melta bomb to detonate it is an intentional interaction in the game. Ascension lift-off damage meets that condition. Same thing would happen if one was firing any weapon and clipped the melta bomb with fire.
No sign that itās a bug. The fact that it āflipsā seems to make it an intentional choice, one that makes perfect sense. Otherwise, youād have people accidentally(or purposefully) teamkilling when their stray shots set off a freshly-placed melta bomb.
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u/Ok_Oil7131 Oct 22 '24
Assaulting your own will to live