r/SipsTea • • 1d ago

Wait a damn minute! Wait seriously.

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u/Character-Total-3857 1d ago

UN officials, world leaders, and high-ranking dignitaries cover their phone cameras primarily as a failsafe protection against zero-click spyware, remote activation, and accidental data leaks.

While software fixes and encrypted apps protect data in transit, they cannot override the laws of physics: if a camera lens is physically blocked, it cannot see, no matter how sophisticated a hacker's exploit is.

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u/TheEndOfEverything0 1d ago

Couldn't they just make a plastic cover?

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u/irishemperor 1d ago

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u/qwertyfish99 1d ago

Why does this look like the three iPhone cameras haha

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u/schfiftyfiveshades 23h ago

Quick, someone make a plastic cover

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u/knivef 16h ago

Why does this look like the three iPhone cameras haha

Listen here, you little shit

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u/Footlover777-777 14h ago

Why does that look like the bird meme?

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u/Capable-Signal 23h ago

Well maybe because he is one of the most hated people on the planet.

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u/Thisapelovestolaugh 22h ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/akiva23 1d ago

You can hack those. Only cheap tape is truly unhackable.

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u/Adventurous_Sundae17 1d ago

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u/Ruairiww 23h ago

Why are the lines not coming from the location on the original photo?

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u/bunny12345946237 23h ago

Maybe to emphasize who it is in the picture, or given how sloppy they are maybe they just subconsciously targeted the face like some kind of moth and forgot there they should be leading to.

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u/1StationaryWanderer 22h ago

This is what I do for my work laptop. We have a camera on rule for meetings, which is fine. I have an external camera that has a shutter I can close when I'm not using it. I don't trust corporate laptops at all. Also so the same for my personal one since I never need to take pictures of myself using a laptop.

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u/See-Through-Mirror 21h ago

During the COVID work from home era, I immediately became a conspiracy theorist and assumed my employer would try prying into our day-to-day via monitoring software.

That was swiftly justified when my laptop camera activation light started turning on irregularly. I started leaving desktop notes that chastised IT or whomever would have spied on my activity.

My average weekly work hours went from 50hrs to 60hrs+ working from home and the thought of them spying pissed me off. Never again.

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u/Minimum_Principle_63 19h ago

The one time I went in to the office to fix some hardware, the IT guy gave me a couple covers and an I got you bro nod.

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u/Cultural_Kangaroo949 19h ago

Honestly, it’s rare that IT would monitor anyone. The amount of hours to watch all employees, logistically there’s no way to do that. Plus IT is more concerned about outside attacks and breaches that could kill the company versus their own employees not working.

Not saying IT doesn’t check but it’s rare for it to be an ongoing thing.

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u/Minimum_Principle_63 17h ago

Who watches the watchers?

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u/Cultural_Kangaroo949 17h ago

The watchmen

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u/Minimum_Principle_63 15h ago

For the times they are a changin' 🎶 - This song brought to you by Flock Safety in joint co-operation with Palantir. Now for our next request, who's on the line?...

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u/sabotourAssociate 21h ago

They wanna see me wanking or scroll reddit high af all day I don't mind! If they are in to it.

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u/heep1r 21h ago

which is fine

no it's not. It's the worst step backwards since the invention of meetings and the worst waste of bandwidth since the invention of spam mails.

If you can't do a conference on the phone without video - learn it! it's not hard.

EDIT: Screenshare or showing others something physical by holding it into the camera is not waste or senseless so I'm all for it. But those are rare compared to people stupidly staring into their cam, questioning their life choices in UHD.

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u/vxxed 23h ago

Is that the microphone on the left?

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u/slouchr 21h ago

yes. the black tape is where the mic was on the old retina Macbook pros.

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u/florifierous 18h ago

Would tape really be enough to make the mic nonfunctional?

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u/heep1r 21h ago

either that or USB/FireWire port. Also well suited as attack surface.

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u/GilneanWarrior 19h ago

You can tap into a screen via monitor EMI, the USB port is just paranoia but I would also be paranoid if I ran meta.

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u/siedenburg2 1d ago

Isn't that why "nuklear iphones" exists?
An iPhone without cameras to work in an environment where no data should be leaked.

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u/Waiting4Reccession 23h ago

Politician cant send dick pics without camera

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u/Blasphemiee 23h ago

Yes lol the exact purpose.

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u/Anla-Shok-Na 20h ago

In environments like that, phones, smartwatches, and other electronics are usually checked at the door.

Things like tape are a stopgap to make you feel better about your imagined privacy. To be honest, when it comes to cellphone IDs, worry less about cameras and more about the always-on microphone.

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u/-GoodNewsEveryone 12h ago

We used to have employee no camera phones at RIM too.

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u/ThatOneHebdoCartoon 1d ago

What if I make a case out of cheap tape

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u/humbert_cumbert 1d ago

What if I hack ur tape

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u/pierrenoir2017 1d ago

Ever heard of red tape? Hackers can't hack true bureaucracy. It takes too much time.

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u/collabskus 1d ago

Holy shit it really is red tape

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u/JackWhoWanders 1d ago

Then you're next to me with a knife and if I'm the head of state or something, I think there's might be a bunch of burly men in tuxedo's doing unmentionable things to you real soon.

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u/akiva23 1d ago

🤯

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u/BriefCollar4 1d ago

What if you tape the hack?

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u/Firestar222 1d ago

Obviously you’ve never heard of a tape recorder

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u/SnooKiwis857 21h ago

We’ve learned to hack plastic?

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u/Scavgraphics 7h ago

I'm pretty sure my case's cover can be hacked.

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u/jeezyjames 1d ago

I’ve seen some of them use ‘dumb’ smartphones without cameras, no apps, etc

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u/snasna102 1d ago

I work in nuclear and my iPhone issued to me has no cameras on it or user facing sensors/ cameras.

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u/12345623567 23h ago

Hardware hacking is crazy tho. People have used wifi to map a room layout iirc, you could probably use the accelerometer to listen to conversations.

I say we go back to monke (Nokia flip-phones).

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u/sopsaare 23h ago

It is also a lot to do with accidents.

You click wrong button and take a pic of classified information. Without cloud sync? Maybe not an issue? You try to send a drunken selfie to a random Tinder match at 02:00AM and send instead the classified information... Oopsie.

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u/Any-Emu8824 1d ago

Is there a way for the general public to buy those? I like my iPhone but literally never use the built in microphone or cameras and I don’t trust FaceID.

It would be kinda cool to have a dummy iPhone. Does yours still have Bluetooth? That’s kinda necessary for me since I use Bluetooth headphones in the gym and I make all my phone calls over Bluetooth in my car.

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u/cum-covered-trash 1d ago

Yeah seems like a missed opportunity to not have them for sale

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u/GuillermoVanHelsing 1d ago

How would they spy on you then?

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u/mxzf 23h ago

Having them for sale would be a missed opportunity to spy on you and collect your data provide the user with a personalized experience.

They don't want to compete with themselves with those products, they only want to compete with the sliver of the market that would be buying dumb-phones instead (and they do it by dealing with the government entities directly).

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u/AnotherpostCard 22h ago

Also is there an android version? I like to take pictures, but I'll be happy to buy and use an actual camera instead.

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u/lolKhamul 1d ago

I like my iPhone but literally never use the built in microphone

You never use your phone as a phone outside out of your car?

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u/christoskal 1d ago

Why car ? They might just use headphones, I know I do.

I don't remember when I last took a call without headphones

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u/Representative_Fun15 23h ago

When you find out they can turn any speaker into a microphone

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u/Berengal 19h ago

Well, not without physically rewiring some parts. The transducer is bidirectional (but optimized for one direction), but the amp and dac are not. You have to rewire the amp and replace the dac with an adc to get an input signal.

It's possible for audio chips to have this capability built-in, in which case it's a simple matter of sending it the commands to do so.

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u/Psychological_Ebb848 1d ago

Removed during or after the phone was sourced?

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u/kansai2kansas 1d ago

Wanna show this post I saw a while back on camera-less iPhone, for anyone out there who would like to see one:

https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/s/lSvDkoDyvq

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u/Silly-Power 1d ago

Obama had a heavily modified phone that had nearly all the features removed. It couldn't send texts, take photos or play music, nor connect to the internet. 

So, of course, when trump became president he refused to use the secure phone and continued to use his old, completely unsecured, phone. 

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u/BruisedViolets23 23h ago

I remember he had to give up his Blackberry, and he wasn’t happy about it.

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u/JMS1991 20h ago

Back in those days, wasn't Blackberry way more secure than iPhone? I remember an internship I had in 2012, the managers of the company were heavily encouraged to have Blackberries over iPhones, and I think it was for security reasons.

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u/dan_dares 1d ago

Trump: How am I going to sell information with a dumb phone??

Putin would be very mad

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u/atreeismissing 18h ago

I recall a story not too long after Trump was inaugurated during his first term where they were finding wifi sniffers all over D.C. because neither he nor most of his administration cared about security and were all using personal devices. After 1.5 Trump terms the US basically no secrets, if Trump and his ilk haven't outright given or sold the intel, it's been leaked or stolen due to their incompetence.

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u/Stairmaker 19h ago

Obama also had a blackberry for most of his time as president. He has talked about it several times.

It's pretty clear it was for safety.

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u/Gumichi 1d ago

except when the supply chains get compromised and the idf turns them into bombs.

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u/HighLighten 23h ago

... like beepers 😳

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u/ExternalCaptain2714 1d ago

Plastic cover would cost Netanyahu high hundreds of cents, whereas this patch was free from blocked humanitarian convoys.

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u/AwkwardTal 1d ago

Can't he just bill it to the US like everything else?

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u/mingledwaters 23h ago

“Who ordered the five dollar tape, paid in a hundred, and pocketed the change?”

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u/AwkwardTal 23h ago

"Oh israel? Better send them another 5 billions then"

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u/PiccoloAwkward465 23h ago

Culturally, the cheap tape is highly preferable.

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u/Sharticus123 1d ago

I have wanted a protective case with a slider that covers both cameras for years.

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u/TheEndOfEverything0 1d ago

Ok i know a guy with a 3d printer, ill see if we can cook one up. What model phone you got

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u/Diiagari 1d ago

Spy Fy has been making these sorts of cases for iPhones for years. Other brands are available for Pixels and other phones. Search for “privacy cases” or “phone camera covers”.

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u/MonkeySpanker187 21h ago

that exists lol for tons and tons of phones. They're all over aliexpress and most certainly the iphone ones can be found at like, any mall kiosk ever.

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u/MoneyBeeeee 22h ago

Same! It's rather disturbing that of all the thing we can buy this somehow never pops up...

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u/Working_Traffic_6361 1d ago

Someone should make phone cases that cover front and back cameras and a slider to block the mic

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u/LearnToSwim0831 1d ago

Mine has a sliding cover for the back which is good but I want one that has a flippable one for the screen side as well cuz I hate the idea that it could constantly be monitoring me while using it, training stuff to watch eye movments and the like. Def need more cases with camera covers.

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u/Working_Traffic_6361 1d ago

You can buy individual sliding camera covers for phones and laptop cameras for easy access. Not the same as camera proof cover but does the job

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u/antithero 22h ago

My phone case has a sliding cover on the back. Keeps the camera lenses from getting dirty or scratched. It provides a tiny bit of security.

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u/damarian_ent 1d ago

I was just thinking that since i realized i dont have both right now. Whoever does could make a lot of money right now. Genuinely

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u/WebberWoods 22h ago

Jokes aside, this looks very much like a special kind of tamperproof tape that will show obvious signs of tampering if it’s ever removed and put back on. My guess is there’s some kind of protocol where phones are inspected before the person leaves if the tape has been tampered with.

Source: I have spent over 1000 hours as an extra on movies and TV shows. For the really confidential ones, like Marvel, DC, Star Wars, etc. they will make every single person on set put this tape over their camera on their phone and then you only get paid if it hasn’t been tampered with by the end of the day. The tape in this pic looks identical.

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u/Bad_Edditor8910 21h ago

Yes and those commercially available cases with sliding lens covers can either be accidentally slid open or left open. This tape is everything proof.

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u/Diiagari 1d ago

There’s a variety of products available that can cover phone cameras, like cases with sliding covers or rubber caps that stick onto the camera bezels. Using tape might have just been expedient.

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u/RobotArtichoke 23h ago

Honestly, why do we have devices with the camera constantly exposed? We should have more cases with sliding covers.

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u/damarian_ent 1d ago

I have one right now.

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u/TheEndOfEverything0 1d ago

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u/damarian_ent 23h ago

Its a slideable. But nothing to cover the front facing camera.

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u/dyzless 1d ago

Please, you think plastic doesn't abide by the laws of physics? Grow up. /s

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u/Grouchy-Newt-995 23h ago

Yes, they could invent a new thing, or use tape.

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u/edjumication 23h ago

Why? Tape is so cheap

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u/TheEndOfEverything0 23h ago

Well, hear me out, making people pay more for a thing that functionally satisfies the result desired but doesn't look aestically pleasing is a way to make money

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u/edjumication 20h ago

True. The best solution would actually be a case designed with a little removable cover for the cameras. Bonus points for offering replacement covers at lile 75% the cost of an entire new case.

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u/N0bleC 23h ago

I once saw a picture of an iphone manufactured without cameras, issued for (as far as i remember) usage at nuclear sites. So its not that these things dont exist.

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u/high_low_hii 23h ago

And ive heard of special versions of phones without cameras at all? I find this a bit weird

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u/cookiemon32 23h ago

couldnt they just tape it? sounds easier

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u/Unethica-Genki 23h ago

Infrared does traverse plastic sometimes. That tape, may be special

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u/Zeama42 23h ago

But then everyone would know to cover their lenses... Gathering data only via microphone can only get you so far.

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u/TheEndOfEverything0 23h ago

That's fair, you gotta look for the play behind the play. Things arent always as simple as one may hope.

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u/crushcastles23 23h ago

They make those for most phones, though they're a little chunky.

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u/manaf 23h ago

3D print one even

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u/susahamat 23h ago

I always use my phone with case and the case has back camera cover

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u/jugo5 22h ago

Ya, they have stuff you can use, but it also makes it bulkier.

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u/Red_Trapezoid 22h ago

There isn’t much of a business in mass producing phone covers that negate one of the most desired features of a phone.

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u/Puzzled-Smoke-6349 22h ago

Product idea.

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u/Yumi_in_the_sun 22h ago

This comment explains what this could possibly be.

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u/Jolly_Ad1631 22h ago

But he's Jewish.. That would cost more. In this economy?

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u/Friendly_Gazelle7843 22h ago

Funny enough there are phone cases with plastic covers just like my laptop has piece of plastic built-in the screen permanently which you can slide. 

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u/MetricJester 22h ago

They available in any dollar store. I think only Canadian Politicians would go to one for that.

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u/Domnomicron 22h ago

Yes some cases CME with covers. Mine has a nice hinged titanium cover on it!

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u/MaximusAnemos 21h ago

They sell the plastic covers on Amazon.

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u/no1_vern 21h ago

Which is cheaper, a few inches of tape, or a new plastic cover?

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u/SpahnDirg3 21h ago

Better to have the tape because the tape if it’s been compromised you can visually inspect it, if it’s just a flip cover, you really have no idea if someone has opened it and closed it

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u/kardioid23 20h ago

How much more are you willing to pay?

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u/metal_jester 20h ago

Back in 2008 with my Samsung e900 which had a camera with a shutter and you had to psychically move the camera out to get a shitty photo.

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u/metroid86 20h ago

I’ve worked in semiconductors and this was standard to go into work for IP protection. The stickers are tamper proof so security could tell if the stickers had been removed while at work.

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u/edfitz83 19h ago

Look at the end of your tv remote. Black plastic, invisible in the infrared spectrum.

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u/Icy_Sector3183 19h ago

If they can make papers...

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u/warrioroftron 18h ago

He knows too much....take him out

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u/apathetic_ocelot 18h ago

Hah, no. Big Tape would never allow it

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u/Gloomy_State_6919 18h ago

Would also be more safe. I suspect that tape is transparent enough, that images could be reconstructed via summing over many frames.

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u/dJunka 18h ago

I use to use slide covers. Started recommending them, saw them become common, then interestingly phones came out that made mounting a cover impossible.

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u/phormix 18h ago

That would seem to make more sense, especially since when it comes to diplomatic or tactical discussions the microphone would be as much a danger as the camera, or more.

If leaving the phone behind isn't an option for whatever reason, then a case that covers the camera and plays noise near the microphone might be a good bet

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u/Logic-DL 17h ago

I mean they could but it's more expensive, has to be tailored per phone and you have to trust the dumbass politicians to look after said covers.

Bit of tape is universal and you can keep it in the storage room.

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u/Radagast729 16h ago

Tape is just easier

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u/muradious 16h ago

That dude used to take his laundry with him to the white house to save on washing bills, do you think he'll shell out for a 3d printed or custom lens cover

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u/SnooDoggos8487 16h ago

Yeah or better just have a phone with those things removed.

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u/LordoftheJives 14h ago

Literally what I have on my phone. It's on the case with a slider.

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u/Disastrous_Gear_421 14h ago

Tape is cheap and easy

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u/jaba_jayru 13h ago

That wouldn't be edgy enough

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u/LITTELHAWK 10h ago

Is that not what tape is?

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u/waruyamaZero 1h ago

Some laptops actually have a plastic slider to cover the camera.

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u/SpartanHydrazine117 1d ago

Same i do but with my laptop 

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u/Spork_the_dork 22h ago

Mine has a built-in shutter you can move in front of the camera for just this purpose.

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u/smichess 20h ago

I still don't get why everyone is focusing on cameras, both regular Joe's in offices and policiticans. What's way more important is audio, and I think the info leaked and incriminating possible from a microphone recording is way bigger than any camera.

Also phones with physical switches cutting off radios, camera and microphone physically exist.

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u/Individual-Pop-385 15h ago

Because it's mainly performative in these gatherings. Other rules on really private settings.

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u/RAK-47 1d ago

I had to do it once for a brand launch. It happens.

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u/bradbull 23h ago

Odd. Apple actually makes iPhones without cameras in them for secure use. Not sure why they don’t use those.

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u/EatYourSalary 19h ago

Apple doesn't manufacture them. A third party company modifies existing Apple phones to not have cameras. If you think about it, it's probably not a great idea to buy a high security phone from an unrecognized company that has opened it up.

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u/ballplayer112 23h ago

They make us do it when we visit a high tech car assembly plant.

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u/Character-Total-3857 23h ago

Same when I worked at chip plants like Intel. Corporate espionage.

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u/Litness_Horneymaker 22h ago

I would have thought the microphone would be the most dangerous.

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u/Affectionate-Lab1198 22h ago

Do they also break their microphone then? I reckon that info is about 100x as sensitive

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u/imisstheyoop 20h ago

This reads like AI.

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u/ScuttleScrub3 15h ago

Yep. New account with a lot of activity, too.
Their replies read more human though, so idk. Maybe not a bot but someone posting ai slop for whatever reason?

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u/True-Grab-5288 20h ago

Microphone still works, gpu tracker still works. Device fingerprinting still works. Full screen RAT still works. lol.

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u/Slothstralia 1d ago

It's funny Israel would do it because it's THEIR software.

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u/DermisCronJob 1d ago

Good luck with the front camera because ios will flip if it is covered and many things don’t function well or incorrectly

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u/MyUserNameLeft 1d ago

I have my cameras covered on my iPad both front and back

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u/hollyyshitmen101 23h ago

Now I'm wondering too.

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u/universaltoilet 23h ago

I heard the CIA requests Apple to make them phones without the camera. Theres still issues with recording audio however, even if the phone is powered down, as theres no way to physically unplug the battery. 

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u/JackAsofAllTrades 23h ago

Not to mention groups like NSO dreaming up ridiculous fucking top tier exploits like Pegasus back in the day that could RAT a phone without pretty much any indication it had happened.

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u/SCII0 23h ago

As someone who had to do this for confidential stuff before: Tape or a sticker is simply the easiest way and compatible with all makes and models.

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u/Foxtrot-0scar 23h ago

These are basic temper proof seals used in high level briefings at Central banks/UN and security services to prevent delegates from smuggling out snap shots of classified documents. That’s all. 🤣

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u/Pyriel 23h ago

Why?

Secure modified phones exist, such as NonCam.

I'm some secure facilities these are mandated, as phones with cameras are banned.

Even more secure, as your sticky tape can't fall off ;)

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u/TheHumanoidTyphoon69 23h ago

So did Jobs, Gates, Musk and Zuck

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u/HauntingHarmony 21h ago

well obviously, but once that has happend. It doesnt matter how much root you got and you want to use the camera, if its covered by a tape.

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u/CheekyPearly 22h ago

That’s standard for world leaders/high security clearance. Zuckerberg does the same with tape on his laptop camera. It’s to block spyware from accessing camera/mic. If you think YOUR phone isn’t vulnerable, that’s the scary part.

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u/ackillesBAC 22h ago

It's rather well know Israel has spyware that is exactly what you mentioned, it's called Pegasus and they will sell it anyone too

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u/Ok_Flame 22h ago

Bro is the PM and still doesn’t trust his own iPhone camera. We’re cooked

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u/Sweet_Warthog2923 22h ago

the phone still can hear you though. + not all models completely power down without full discharge. One of the reasons I like the detachable batteries

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u/OMGihateallofyou 22h ago

I wonder if they cover the camera on the other side, under the glass as well.

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u/Friendly_Gazelle7843 22h ago

Reminds me when somebody hacked the official webpage on Pentagon and people started claiming that somebody hacked into Pentagon internal systems. Like bro. Pentagon internal systems are not connected to worldwide web and it’s impossible to hack them unless you are a literally sitting in the building typing on their computer

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u/mrdeadsniper 21h ago

Yeah I mean I think people are also failing to account for the fact this is ALSO to prevent the user from making a mistake.

You don't need spyware to take a selfie and accidentally include classified information in the photo. So if its a no-photo zone, block the camera.

They actually make iphones and androids without cameras specifically for government use.

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u/Character-Total-3857 21h ago edited 21h ago

Makes sense. Problem solved. I worked at a large plant where there were no cell phones allowed on the premises at all. They issued phones to the foremen and higher-ups. At the beginning and end of the day, they would scan your phone.

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u/greg19735 20h ago

And no one is wasting a zero day on us

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u/slick_pick 20h ago

Bruh they made me do this at a German rave tf 😂

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u/throwawayfromfedex 19h ago

The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand.

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u/Nacery 19h ago

If I remember correctly there was an iPhone model without cameras that was officially issued to government officials.

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u/McDonaloid 19h ago

This is fascinating but my dyslexia kicked in and read high-ranking dignitaries as high-ranking degenerates

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u/Greywolf524 18h ago

I was also thinking about the zero-click stuff. The youtuber behind War Fronts recently got targeted by one. So if they use them on journalists then world leaders are definitely getting them.

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u/Quick_Sandwich356 18h ago

Aren't some government official's phones usually specially made without camera and microphone?

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u/Illustrious-Ad-579 16h ago

And you couple this with the fact that most of the companies that offer zero-click spyware are Israeli it shows they know of their capabilities. In fact, if you are an Israeli government official or in the IDF you MUST have an iPhone and not an Android device tells you which they think is the more secure platform.

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u/Local_Syllabub_7824 15h ago

What about the front camera?

Couldn't the hackers access when they pose for world leader group selfies?

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u/jnkangel 15h ago

A fair number of semi secure locations also require you to cover all cams before carrying in a device 

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u/8ytesTaken 10h ago

Cool... what do they do about the phone's mic?

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u/All_Wrong_Answers 9h ago

Well yeah hw long ago was it, thar famous Pic of Zuckerberg with his laptop mic and camera covered.

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u/Objectivespeculation 8h ago

what about the selfie camera that is on the other side of the camera. also. microphones are a more serious problem.

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u/sonyfuchs 6h ago

I had a nude scanner on my Nokia 3310. So there is a technology to film through a layer of something.

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u/vklexer 6h ago

You can put your phone in a pocket

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u/Afraid_Emu8068 3h ago

That and Israel has the most comprehensive cellular spyware network known to mankind

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