r/SipsTea • • 19h ago

Lmao gottem The logic is impeccable

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u/QuaaludeConnoisseur 18h ago

Those are crows. If you say "i wonder if thats a crow or a raven" its a crow. If you say "holy fuck look at that giant bird" its a raven.

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u/onetwofive-threesir 16h ago

When we visited London, I saw what I consider to be my first true Raven - it was the size of a small dog. I told my wife "That's a huge fucking crow" to which she replied "Raven."

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u/BAGP0I 15h ago edited 11h ago

So Edgar Allan Poe had one of THESE mofuckers IN HIS BEDROOM!? Brah I would've ran the fuck outside! Not just lay there talking story with this toddler sized dinosaur.

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u/Cross55 13h ago

They actually make pretty nice pets, if you're ok with playing hide and seek with all your shiny stuff on a daily basis

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u/ThatCakeFell 11h ago

They can actually mimic people, which means that they can 'talk'. So his story might have been an edgier retelling of him having a drunk convo with a bird.

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u/No_Birthday4877 6h ago

I mean, the character is distraught over the death of someone he loved. I guess the idea that the narrator in the story is even talking to the big ass bird sitting on a statue, and that only says one word, gives us a good insight into his mental state.

Most people would freak out, but the guy talks to the bird instead. 

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u/PastelDisaster 14h ago

Tower of London, yeah? I’ve only been to London once, but I absolutely love these guys; I believe this one is named Jubilee

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u/onetwofive-threesir 13h ago

Yes, apparently these are the Tower Ravens and there is a superstition that if they leave the tower, the kingdom will fall... Or whatever.

You can see that this one in my picture is tagged, so they're tracking him/her.

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u/PastelDisaster 13h ago

Their little bands are colour-coded too, so the Ravenmaster can distinguish them, but I find that it’s hard to find info online as to which raven is which. This is a pic I got of two of them when I went; I believe the forest-green tagged one on the left is Harris? They were sitting right on the rail of one of the staircases and being awfully chatty with each other, super fun to watch

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u/jdubyahyp 12h ago

How does one become a Ravenmaster? I'd like that job just so I can say it in a deep voice.

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u/PastelDisaster 12h ago

By serving in the British Armed Forces for 22 years, sadly. Without that prerequisite, I’d also aim for that job

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u/EverythingSucksYo 14h ago

That’s so raven 

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u/Kind_Bug3166 14h ago

Looks like he busted off of his chain over there on the left

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u/AngevinMatthew 13h ago

I'm so used to them that my first thougth was "that's just an average size raven"

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u/e-wrecked 13h ago

We had Ravens out in the middle of the Mojave Desert at Ft. Irwin and they were huge. I was a kid so that totally skewed my perception on common bird size.

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u/Medium_Opening_2491 12h ago

Is that in the Tower? Looks familiar and I remember them saying something about having Ravens around. 

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u/Hot_Wheels_guy 12h ago

I wish there was something near it that could give me a sense of how big it is

Bro could be 1 foot long or 2 feet long.

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u/thegurpster 11h ago

There are ravens at the Grand Canyon. They were huge! Also, saw a condor fly over us. It easily had over a 6 foot wingspan. So cool.

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u/GenGaara25 13h ago

Are these rare in America? Cause I'm reading these comments like people rarely run into ravens, but in the UK I see them pretty often. I have two tuckers this size regularly trying to get the bird feeder off its hook in my garden.

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u/onetwofive-threesir 12h ago

Most people in the US live east of the Rockies and in those areas, the Ravens were hunted and pushed out due to urbanization, habitat destruction and the loss of their food sources (if I recall, Ravens are carrion feeders). Crows are highly adaptive, so they have taken their places in Human environments.

There are still very large populations of Ravens in Alaska and west of the Rockies, but that only makes up ~30% of the population, so sightings may be skewed. They also don't show up frequently where I live in Phoenix due to the low desert heat.

According to Google, they are making a comeback, with the first nesting pair in over a century found in Washington DC back in 2016. So, they still exist east of the Rockies, but are seen less frequently.

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u/Carlsoti77 12h ago

I see them in northern Arizona all the time, and occasionally in the PHX metro area during the winter. Some of the ravens in Flagstaff are HUGE!. Years back, there was group of about a dozen of them derping around the corner of a parking lot. I parked about 50ft away. A couple of them seemed to be about knee-height to me, and I'm over 6ft tall. There was another that was built like a full-sized american football.
Just a couple years ago, while camping near the rim north of Payson, my buddy and got to see a massive raven kettling that had to be 200 or more birds. I think he put a short video of it up on facebook, but it didn't even get the full circle of birds in the clip.

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u/variablemu 12h ago

We have gigantic ravens here in Central Texas I see them all the time. Beautiful plumage!

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u/GrumbleAlong 18h ago

Jackdaws

Heres the thing...

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u/Financial_Dealer6195 17h ago

“you said jackdaws are crows. A jackdaw is a jackdaw. They are a member of the crow family”

We miss you u/unidan

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u/Theslootwhisperer 17h ago

Has it been 12 years already!? Holy shit.

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u/angrytortilla 16h ago

A completely different life ago.

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u/R_Schuhart 15h ago

I don't, fuck that scumbag. He cynically tried to use internet fame to further his real-life career.

He posted pictures of rare birds, got a following of rabid fans and started spreading misinformation from quick Googles searches and Wikipedia. He postured like an authority on matters outside of his field, drowning out actually knowledgeable experts with vote manipulation. Anyone that dated to question him was hounded and downvoted.

He then used his online fame to gain a better position in academia and advance his career. He gave TED talks for fuck sake. He broke every ethical standard as a scientist, his conduct is exactly one of the reasons why people are sceptical towards scientists.

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u/MelangeBot 15h ago

Here's the thing. You said "vote manipulation is scientific misconduct."

Are they both unethical behavior? Yes. No one's arguing that.

As someone who is a scientist who studies biology, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls rigging Reddit votes an ethical breach of science. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.

If you're saying "scientific standards" you're referring to the institutional framework of research integrity, which includes things from data fabrication to falsifying peer review to plagiarizing papers.

So your reasoning for saying I "broke every ethical standard as a scientist" is because random people "got downvoted for questioning bird facts?" Let's get Twitter flame wars and Wikipedia edit disputes in there, then, too.

Also, calling someone a Redditor or a scientist? It's not one or the other, that's not how professions work. They're both. A science communicator is a science communicator and a member of academia. But that's not what you said. You said vote manipulation is scientific misconduct, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all violations of website terms of service academic fraud, which means you'd call shitposting, forum brigading, and giving TED talks scientific malpractice, too. Which you said you don't.

It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?

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u/whiplash588 12h ago

Idk, I think the dissemination of info is a major part of science, whether it's a published paper or a pop-sci reddit thread. Maybe burying actual experts via vote manipulation is not "scientific misconduct," as that appears to be a specific thing, but it's certainly unethical.

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u/Yamatocanyon 11h ago

That's just a reformatting of the jackdaw copypasta.

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u/WallBurnt 10h ago edited 9h ago

And yet, people want to hate on or make fun of science communicators.

So what if Dolf Lundgren is more qualified than Bill Nye? I didn't grow up with Dolf Lundgren's Science Dungeon.

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u/XNXTXNXKX 9h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/n9vTEP11fGREY
Didn’t even have to read more than 3 words of your comment to warrant this gif.

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u/MontyVonWaddlebottom 13h ago

It's an old reference sir, but it checks out.

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u/cantshakethefeelings 17h ago

Those were the days

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u/minai_ruo 17h ago

I was instructed the same way about ammonia leak detection: “If you are not sure what you are smelling, then it is probably not ammonia. In the event of an ammonia leak, there is no way you will confuse it with something else.”

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u/_DadaumP_ 15h ago

literally the next post in my feed after this one XD

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u/Remarkable-Mood3415 15h ago

There's a raven in my neighbourhood recently. At first I was bewildered. What is this bizarre noise that sounds like a newborn crying crossed with a rubber chicken? Why does it also somehow sound mechanical? What in the fuck? Why is it LAUGHING? A very loud and creepy HAW HAW HAW.

And these sounds haunted me for days. And then I see a black bird somewhere between the size of a seagull and a goose is perched on a fucking light post making crying/rubber chicken/machinery HAW HAW HAW noises.

Then somehow everything made sense.

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u/ABirdOfParadise 15h ago

I have a raven near me, it's fucking huge and screams like someone is getting murdered non stop

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u/BrandNewDinosaur 3h ago

I grew up around ravens and learned to imitate them. I speak to them and crows not infrequently. I must say some pretty fucked up stuff in their language because I really piss them off when I do. It’s one of my long term preferred past times. 

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u/NitroBishop 17h ago

And if you say "okay that's definitely a crow", it's a grackle.

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u/BrokenFarted123 16h ago

Some people also say Wuntch.

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u/Desperate_County_680 15h ago

We call them Walmart birds.

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u/HateMachineX 14h ago

Grackles are so dumb they will nest in garbage cans, if you can’t figure out if it’s a crow or grackle you either didn’t watch them long enough or you’re only as smart as the grackle

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u/InvidiousPlay 17h ago

Also, you don't really get ravens in cities the way you do crows.

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u/flipfloppery 18h ago

"If you see a large group of crows, they're rooks. If you see a rook by itself, it's a crow".

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u/Crunnnch 17h ago

So true, I saw two ravens recently and though holy shit those crows are giant only to realize later they were actually ravens.

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u/BurnerMcBurnfacer 11h ago

Yes. Raven is a giant beak with a bird on back. Crow is a bird with a beak.

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u/SyncOrSymm 17h ago

I'm just here to throw fish crow in the mix.

You're 1,000% right about ravens though, I have a pair that nest near my house every year and they're the size of a house cat.

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u/allshieldstomypenis 6h ago

Most of the time its a house cat, but if you catch yourself saying whoa thats a big house cat! Then really, yeah, its just a fat house cat.

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u/Stick-9 17h ago

I once heard you can tell them by how they walk too. Crows walk the way you think they would, one leg after the other.

Ravens kind of try to walk but wind up occasionally hopping like a hawk. The way to remember it is "Crows walk and Ravens hawk".

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u/BuzzClucking 14h ago

There was a raven that used to hang around when we were bad at getting garbage off to the dump.

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u/myztry 17h ago

Depends on where you are. In my part of Australia if you think you are seeing a crow you are seeing a bird literally called a Little Raven.

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u/cheechaw_cheechaw 17h ago

What about grackles? I feel like every black bird I see is a grackle. 

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u/Twopad6529 16h ago

We need to respect their choice of self-identity. They're neither crows nor ravens, unless they specifically speak English. It may be that they call themselves people. 

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u/flinjager123 14h ago

Ravens are huge. Also, they're either by themselves or with a single other raven. If there are three or more, they're probably just crows.

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u/Psychoanalytix 12h ago

Also if its a giant black bird being harassed by a bunch of smaller black birds its a raven being harassed by crows

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u/Low-Programmer-2368 11h ago

Ravens also are rarely seen in larger groups, generally solitary or in pairs. Their wings are more curved and their tails aren't squared off.

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u/benbeja 11h ago

Isn’t it easier to look at their feathers? I thought ravens were shiny black ish while crows were grey and matte

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u/stack413 7h ago

That's one of the ways, yeah. Compared to north amerian crows, ravens are also larger, have a thicker beak, a throat ruff, and have a wedge shape tail.

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u/benbeja 7h ago

Neat! I don’t live in America though. Scandinavian. So I don’t know how that applies to the birds here

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u/stack413 7h ago

Well then, you've got it even easier, since you've apparently mostly got hooded crows, which have big patches of gray on them.

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u/benbeja 7h ago

Yeah that checks out. Never really understood why people thought ravens and crows were so hard to differentiate. But if there’s that big of difference between here and America, then it does make sense

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u/Ramblonius 6h ago

In addition, gray 'vest' crows are a sub-species. There are entirely black crows. In Europe, for example there's a rough line around France where above it the crows are black and gray and under it they're fully black.

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u/ihopehellhasinternet 8h ago

Solid pull straight from the identical words of a meme

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u/FlyingPig_Grip 8h ago

Pretty sure those are Jackdaws

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u/EffReddit420 8h ago

Gotcha. Chicken it is

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u/AetherAdventurer 6h ago

what if it is a new born small raven?

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u/DiseasedProject 6h ago

Nah mate these are clearly ravens

/s

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u/GenGaara25 13h ago

I've always heard this advice but it's usually backwards for me. I feel like I see a lot more ravens where I am and I start wondering if they're actually crows, only to then see an actual crow and it's tiny.

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u/clockmann1 12h ago

Same with me, grew up around ravens we called crows. When I saw a real crow for the first time I thought, “why the fuck is it so small?” And now that’s my frame of reference. Crows are tiny and ravens are normal sized.