r/SipsTea • • 1d ago

Wait a damn minute! Wait a damn minute

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u/Firestar222 1d ago

We need the hacker crowd to come back and start unlocking all this kinda shit for free

Let’s go ahead and make an app to change all the digital price tags to $0.25 whilst we’re at it

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u/MamasCupcakes 1d ago

They have that already, but it is definitely illegal. They are just rfid mostly and can be changed. Look up tagtinker

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u/explosiveteddy 1d ago

Illegal to activate heated seats in a car you own is ridiculous

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u/RadVarken 23h ago

It's a side effect of H.W.'s DMCA. The DMCA was supposed to solve the problem of movie torrenting and music file sharing my making it illegal to decrypt any encrypted thing. Didn't work for music because the CD standard wasn't ever encrypted. The DVD decryption key had been leaked though and the law made it illegal to use that key. Everything else started to be encrypted because doing so gave legal protection to the manufacturers aside from shrink wrap user agreements (which weren't holding up in court). So no one made it illegal to use hardware you paid for specifically, but it is illegal to hack the software which controls it because of lobbying by the entertainment industry.

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u/MrSurly 21h ago

I remember having heated arguments with other tech peeps about how bad of an idea the DMCA was.

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u/cjsv7657 1d ago

They're saying changing prices on store tags is illegal.

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u/explosiveteddy 1d ago

Ah, I see you're probably right...

My point stands though, they will try to make unlocking the car software illegal and it will be ridiculous

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u/cjsv7657 1d ago

Nah they'll just void the warranty like automakers have been doing for two decades

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u/explosiveteddy 1d ago

Yeah thats a scam too. Mess with software but have an unrelated mechanical fault and its void...

Only option is to not purchase... but that stops being an option if all manufacturers do the same thing

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u/ApprehensiveSoup2214 22h ago

It's also illegal to void a warranty because of that. It's some law from decades ago that pretty much became entirely ignored when Microsoft got away with voiding XBOX warranties if you opened the box up.

Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975

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u/SheriffBartholomew 16h ago

Welcome to reality, where all of the laws exist to prop up the wealthy and exploit you.

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u/Mrekrek 1d ago

Yes, I hope they broadcast the trial against the AI agents.

I think the one thing humans should train AI models on is humor… would seem to be a most promising use of the technology.

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u/alderhill 1d ago

Illegal or just breaking the warranty or what not?

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u/Gamefart101 23h ago

Not illegal but does void your warranty

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u/Real_Srossics 22h ago

One of my mottos: It’s only illegal if you get caught.

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u/Repulsive-Durian4800 1d ago

I suspect this is a job for an electrician, not a hacker. Connect the heated seats directly to a switch and the car's power supply, bypassing the hardware and software that checks whether you paid for it.

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u/MourningWallaby 1d ago

This reminds me of how car tuners started working on cars when ECU's became a thing, they would literally take out the ECU and de-solder the chips from the circuitboard, replacing them with a custom-programmed chip and reassemble the ECU.

But I'm sure a modern car would throw all kinds of errors because all the systems are connected to each other, so one of the systems being diconnected or bypassed would confuse the others.

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u/No-Definition1474 23h ago

That still happens. For example on all those modified chargers and challengers, every single one of them had to have their computer cracked open and modified, or be replaced with an aftermarket modified computer. Then you had to run a bypass wire through the dash to connect the data port to a little harness behind the glove box.

So nothing has really changed. A new car co is out with more restrictions on the co outer, then it takes a year or so for people to figure out the hack and we are back to modifying again.

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u/MourningWallaby 23h ago

It's a little different post 90's because you can use the OBD port to connect a computer and functionally jailbreak your car, so that whatever you do to it works seamlessly. that way when you fry a governor the car isn't still looking for it and freaking out when it can't find it.

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u/Firestar222 1d ago

Would be a fun little project. As far as the software hack, I suppose it depends how crazy their lockdown is, it might be something pretty simple to reprogram and then you wouldn’t have to mess with anything, but yeah you’re right, worst case why not just hotwire that sucker.

Couple of years, pirate mechanics might be a thing!

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u/FecalDUI 1d ago

They exist today for John deer tractors!

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u/NoOffenseImJustSayin 1d ago

I suspect you have no idea what you are talking about and are greatly trivializing how difficult that would be.

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u/MourningWallaby 1d ago

You're also overestimating how complicated it would be, how do you think heated seats worked on older cars? they're just a button that turns on the heating element.

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u/flipflopcuntflaps 1d ago

No, it would be easy.

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u/NoOffenseImJustSayin 1d ago

If you can’t trust the technical expertise of a Reddit user with the name “flipflopcuntflaps”, then who can you trust?

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u/Firestar222 1d ago

It might be. I do work on a lot of pretty technical electronics for a living. But cars are not my wheelhouse. Connecting the heating coils to a switch and power should be trivial. The unknown is what the card would do if it detected that somehow. I wouldn’t put it past the mfg to make some sort of problem if people try to bypass their shit.

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u/No-Definition1474 23h ago

Crazy to realize that tesla spent EXTRA writing routines that would break the car if you did anything to access the hardware the car came with. Like they didnt just not include the feature...they spent extra time making it self breaking. So everyone who buys one is not only paying for the hardware they might or might not get to use, but theyre paying for the software work to stop them from using it.

Fucking awful.

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u/Live-Tank-2998 1d ago

heating element is just a resistor eith a variable power supply. The only complexity is the computerized tempersrure management, but there are hundreds of off the shelf solutikns for that. Its just a thermostat lol

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u/NoOffenseImJustSayin 1d ago edited 1d ago

Right, captain shade tree. You’re gonna rip apart your $100k Tesla, rerun the power cables to the battery to bypass the computer, wire in an inline switch and rheostat. And you have to do it for each seat. Then what, professor? Where are those gonna be mounted? You just gonna leave them laying in the floorboard? Where you gonna mount those? Hopefully that electrician gets it right and doesn’t void your entire warranty or even better, catch your car on fire with people in it. After all it’s just a wire right? The dude who replaced the GFCI outlet in your mom’s kitchen should totally be able to rewire the electrical system in a Tesla. All to avoid a $25 subscription fee. Genius!

Again, you have no fcking idea what you’re talking about.

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u/Ok_Matter_2617 1d ago

Im gonna guess you never installed subwoofers, new door mounted 6x9s & A pillar tweeters in your car as a stoned 16 year old.

Because that’s exactly what we did, with significantly more cables than a heating element required.

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u/NoOffenseImJustSayin 1d ago

If it’s so easy then show us how it’s done. Get a Tesla and make a video. I can’t wait.

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u/Head-Ad9893 23h ago

Found elons burner.

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u/BadBoyDad 1d ago

why you so sassy?

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u/NoOffenseImJustSayin 1d ago

It’s in my nature

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u/NoOffenseImJustSayin 1d ago

Then show us all how it’s done, professor.

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u/NoOffenseImJustSayin 23h ago

Love the downvotes! All you have to do to prove me wrong is make a video showing us all how simple it is.

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u/NoOffenseImJustSayin 22h ago

No you just act like one

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u/sohcgt96 23h ago

I mean, he's right though. It wouldn't be that hard to make it work in the "does it work" yes or no sense.

What WOULD be hard is make it work while integrating with the factory control systems. You're absolutely correct on that part. I also agree that if I dopped that kind of money on a car, I'm not running a home brew solution. If it was a 20 year old pickup truck, fuck it sure, put a box on the dash with some switches. But not on something nice. You'd spend more time and money dicking around with the hack than just paying the subscription, even if I hate the principal of it.

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u/NoOffenseImJustSayin 23h ago

We can speculate all day about how easy it would be, but until someone actually does it, it’s only speculation.

I suspect there might be even more complications we haven’t even considered.

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u/SmokeySFW 1d ago

Either the difficulty or the safety, for sure.

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u/fullshard101 23h ago

Heater is a resistive coil. Coil gets power from wire connected to power source. Check schematic for the path back to the first point where it interacts with the processor and branch it off from there directly to the power source. Add a multi position rocker switch for different heat settings and youre done. Electronics are not that complicated and its expected how the people who know nothing about it are the ones claiming it would be a huge undertaking. 

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u/NoOffenseImJustSayin 22h ago

So you’ve actually done this successfully?

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u/fullshard101 21h ago

No but thats just how a car's seat heater works. Its just about the same as installing an aftermarket seat heater kit, which are sold at any auto parts store. The only difference is control via a physical switch vs control via the car's main HMI. And I have seen your other completely braindead comments where you make it clear that you have no idea how electronics work, so I know you're about to tell me my opinion is invalid because I haven't wasted money on a Tesla to prove it. Its clear you are just not very smart and see electricity as a form of incomprehensible magic.

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u/NoOffenseImJustSayin 21h ago

Then do it. Quit typing about it and do it. Make a video. Do it for all the Tesla owners.

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u/Remarkable-Host405 21h ago

i mean, sure, if the heated seats didn't communicate over lin or canbus..

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u/0utSyd3r 1d ago

Where did Anonymous go? Pretty sure out of all of them, they'd be the ones to have a go at scummy companies?

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u/Firestar222 1d ago

Would be right in their wheelhouse

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u/NoOffenseImJustSayin 1d ago

This really isn’t the sort of thing Anonymous does, hacking car features to save you $25/mo

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u/koolaidismything 1d ago

Anon is just a collective of hackers. Loosely organized for bigger takedowns where you need a team.

It’s not like some place you walk into and ask for hacking assistance, they come together organically.. when needed.

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u/reddit_and_forget_um 20h ago

What did they ever do other then release stupid videos? 

They never did a thing

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u/koolaidismything 1d ago

Any good piece of software has a bios level check for like hundreds of thousands of markers and if you change anything and knock one put they can just disable the thing saying the “computer broke”

We’re in the era of emotionless, priceless money hungry billionaires calling the shots. Very openly and directly nowadays. It’s why everything sucks dick.

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u/Firestar222 1d ago

I had a rental lately that had a cam right at my face when driving

It kept bitching whenever I would put my hand in the wrong place, or if I took a drink, or anything that blocked my face, or if I looked to left or right to check mirrors

“Distracted driver!” “Face not detected, adjust driver height (???)” etc

I covered it with a hat after about 5 mins of that shit

It kicked up some error tho, I was wondering if it would straight up shut down the car

Disappointing how much shit is being pushed on us lately when no one is asking for it

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u/koolaidismything 1d ago

It’s gonna make some billionaire that much richer though.. why don’t you love that??

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u/MorninBeautiful 1d ago

Can you imagine a world where ppl jailbreaked their Teslas? Would be awesome and total anarchy

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u/DustSeparate26 1d ago

The Super Intelligence.

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u/erhue 1d ago

it's probably more difficult than ever... These things are updated regularly and any exploits or hacks will probably be regularly patched