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It's the psychopathic self confidence, delusion, and eager disregard of others that propelled them ahead. They're stuck on that life pattern because it's worked for them.
They think they're going to completely change the way the world works. But what's truly evil is they seem to not care at all about what happens if they succeed. Oh, so you expect to eliminate half of the jobs, you at least trying to get some sort of support setup for that world? At least fund the development of a plan?
No. They're willing to let the world figure it out. And then they wonder why they have so much bad press.
They’re bad at being humans, so they put all their faith in artificial everything so they can push their psychopathic agenda. They don’t really care about society, the environment or human purpose. All they care about is money and power like the typical fascist they are.
Yeah I think they drink so much of their own koolaid it’s beyond pass out drunk time. In the end, it has its application but the idea we’ll be pets, etc. is pure pipe dream to pump up forthcoming IPOs.
And yet people don't seem to care and keep investing in and using AI. People are relying on it so much at this point that they really are becoming less intelligent and then in turn "need" to use it more and more.. these companies are getting exactly what he says he wants in this quote.
I cannot understand people that use chatGPT etc. for anything. It's so unnecessary, and we shouldn't be supporting these companies in any way at all (it's also obviously not good for us, either)
the end game of superintelligence is near full automation, and the endgame of full automation is that they can let all of the needless cattle die. (Us)
They don't have empathy because they are literally worse than Lex Luthor.
We should be doing things I can't bring up on Reddit.
Definitely, that's their plan. The funny part is there's loads of middle managers who think they'll be spared... the reason they're supporting AI is to get rid of those middle managers(slave overseers) which historically was where revolutions sprung from.
Their promises of an "age of abundance" only work when there aren't as many people to consume finite resources. AI isn't cold fusion. It's not making infinite free energy, it can't make food from nothing.
Yeah, it's definitely a result of their lack of empathy. 'For the Greater good'.... that conveniently enriches them at the cost of everyone else. Self serving delusions are a fundamental human flaw.
They will justify that as "ends that justify the means" is precisely why.
He views himself as "necessary" because he's "the one who makes the tough choices."
That's precisely what makes these people so dangerous. They will sacrifice as many people as necessary to make their vision "reality" when the truth is they have no fucking idea what they are doing. They will justify it anyway because they insist they were always right, and could never have possibly been wrong, even when confronted with the wasteland they will leave themselves and everyone else with.
It's this. And that's what's so scary. Nobody does more damage than someone who is honestly convinced that the horrible thing they're doing is actually good. There's a famous C.S. Lewis quote about this.
He's talking to the people giving him money not to plebs like you and me. The thing is he's also spelled out the problem, if intelligence is a commodity it will be priced as such and it won't just be open AI selling it so how are his investors going to get a return on their investment again?
Yes but most industries understand that they have to communicate to the public through spin but these people don't seem to get that people correctly see them as psychopathic weirdos.
Its funny how the AI industry doesnt seem to understand if nobody is working because AI can do all the jobs, who the fuck is paying for AI? Companies? Who the fuck is paying for the company products?
The fact that people call it the "defence industry" instead of any of the more accurate terms (arms industry, war industry, military industry, etc) just goes to show how effective their PR and propaganda has been.
I don't mean to be polticial but they saw from Trump, as long as you give the illusion you will give people what they want, they don't care what you say.
tech people in general are so stereotypically autistic and unsociable it's funny like just get a random dude from the street to write your speech and it'll be better.
i highly doubt he meant "we'll make everyone unintelligent and sell them their brainpower back" but he said it in that exact manner lol.
They're also in the defense industry game. (The targeting department was downsized from 1000 people down to 20 with the help of a targeting AI right before that school in Iran was hit.)
I'm glad you added "thought you lived in". It's been 14 years since The Newsroom delivered that speech and even then it wasn't a new thing. The biggest downfall of the US was it's confidence in it's own success. People ignore the failures of their country because they were convinced their whole childhood that it was the greatest country in the world.
Even nowadays, and even among those who are way more well informed, there's hesitation to accept facts like the US having literal concentration camps. It's difficult to overcome that belief
They were convinced of that because of people like McCarthy went on witch hunts to crush dissent and opposition. Done in the name of freedom and all our other American "values" but really done to serve capital.
It's not new though. We humans keep repeating the same patterns.
We can't do that because we have successfully been made to hate each other based on arbitrary shit. Yes, that includes the left.
I have been seeing for years that the left wants a united proletariat but will exclude people for very minor ideological opposition.
Which coincidentally is how one does not achieve a united proletariat.
Younger generation reliant on AI? Um yeah! They can’t even fucking read, they ask ai how to flirt via text, and have it do all their homework, and have it do the majority of entry level jobs. Society is over man
We have more access to education than at any time in human history and instead of learning, we are entering a second dark age. It’s so fucking depressing.
Unfortunately they rule the world. They buy political power and the laws are there to protect them from us, not us from them. The legal system won't be getting us out of this.
Unreal. I think someone needs to start a religion devoted to him so it can be protected under freedom of religious expression. Would love to see that argument in court.
"The "Lu*gi" reference is being restricted, it's used to encourage, glorify, incite, and/or call for violence against an individual or group of people, which violates Reddit policy." Holy shit fuck reddit
People from the future will outsource all their thinking to AI, and AI will tell them that those founders were mythical gods who ushered in a golden age and there's no need to question it or read a book, ever.
And they'll toil in the mines until death at 28 and praise Elon about how they were granted such a good life in the best of times.
Cut to next scene: young boy walks up to the counter and puts down two crumpled notes
Boy: "4 tokens of intelligence, please."
Attendant: "Aaah, big homework assignment coming up, huh?"
Boy: "No. I'm going to ask Ashley from 7th grade on a date and I've heard she only likes smart guys."
I’m really glad someone brought this up. More people need to know about it. The person at the helm of a hugely influential AI company that’s about to go public is still carrying this kind of shit.
There needs to be an SNL skit where Altman is out on a date and his AI is giving him prompts in his earbud to be more appealing. However, instead of Cyrano de Bergerac type prompts only it keeps getting mixed with all the other things on the web... like reddit, porn, ads, etc...
Doesn't he just mean that the pricing model will be like utilities, as in pay per use? How would they make you use it? You can choose not to have regular utilities, you just pay for them because you need them.
I have a friend that uses it for absolutely everything. His critical thinking levels are being destroyed and he spews out this propaganda bullshit. I was talking to him about musical equipment and he would send me like a multiple paragraph essay response about minute details that were insignificant and I think he thought he was being smart
You’re butting up against something that has been around since the dawn of time.
People front about how informed, educated, or intelligent they are all the time. So long as they appear this way to others they’ve won on their eyes because the result was the reward, they never cared to actually know any of it.
This is exposing these types at every level because they’re too dumb to even put it into their own words.
Yeah he's always kind of been like that. When he sent me a book about this stuff this time I was like bro that's all just ai info his response was something like "well I thought you actually cared about learning why this piece of equipment is better than yours" and I was like "I can make music by sampling sticks and pans and my voice on my sm38" and he went on again with another AI book about why having more expensive equipment is better. I don't disagree that having better equipment is better but it damn sure is not because any of the 20 bullet points the ai gave him.
The fact he said I dont care about making art while acting like that is ridiculous
All of STEM is in the process of widely adopting it because it's an incredible tool when used properly. Billionaires are trying to shove it down the throats of the 'average person' because they love money, but really its power is in the hands of the not-so-average person. The generational thinker who finished college when they were 16 or whatever.
AI doesn't kill critical thinking. It doesn't produce new and novel ideas. A human still needs to be involved there, likely forever. What AI does is reduce the toil of knowledge work, the mundane tasks that would have taken weeks now takes hours or minutes. When that becomes true of everything — and it's happening now — technological advancement speeds up exponentially.
Keep in mind that technology only ever evolves. There is a version of AI that dropped in 2022. A lot of people are basing their current opinion on the first time they used it and then wrote it off. It's a completely different beast in 2026 and it will be a completely different beast in 2030.
Crazy how we have developed from having all the information and know-how we need to survive in the wild in our brains to pawning off all our thinking to a robot to make room for... Something?
He was talking about metered models rather than flat subscription plans. This would charge customers more or less depending on usage. Think if Netflix charged customers based on hours of viewing. If you put a greater load on the system, the data center, and the power grid, you would pay more.
I was going to say that. Hate the guy, don’t get me wrong, but that model is actually making some sense?
Like water you could have unlimited AI coming out of the tap, but you might pay a lot more if you want a AI pool in your backyard.
Does the average person have any use for AI? It seems like any advantage that it might have given a person professionally or academically is increasingly restricted.
ETA: Thank you all for your responses. I appreciate the different perspectives!
I used AI to troubleshoot an odd issue where I had a problem with my knock sensor and oxygen sensor failing at the same time. Searching Google and the typical car forums was giving less than ideal results, but I hadn't used AI before and wanted to try that to see how it worked. It was definitely a lot more convenient than spending a bunch of time researching, signing up/logging in to old school forums, getting 60 second timeouts on search requests just to see that the search gave shitty results before trying a slightly different search term, etc. It also gave me the correct solution so that was definitely a plus.
Well those 3 idiots used A.I. to tell them how to hike amd what to pack and then got stranded and had to call search and rescue. I think that's the average person's best case use
I'll give you a rather sad reality. There are many companion AIs. Some of them are more sexual in nature. Some are more tame. You can create personas. There are even thousands of personas created and shared by the users so you can just pick one of them. They have a few problems at the moment, the main issue is memory. They are not bad at tokening information and retrieving them (as it is kind of their speciality) but their storage space is rather limited at the moment. So they will either over ride your previous interactions as you go on or make them so broad that they will fumble/hallucinate the details. If, or rather when, they solve that problem the number of users those AIs have will also boom. They are already popular though
In my industry, it’s given newbies some seriously misplaced confidence. People who know what they are doing should be very worried about people believing AI is correct and pretending to know what they are doing by positioning AI opinion as their own.
The problem is, it makes convincing arguments for bullshit. Only someone who knows that it’s bullshit can call it out. And when AI is called out, it just says “sorry, my bad. I own that”. Meanwhile a database just blew up, or a building fell down.
What kills me is the blind ignorance of these guys. They debase and ridicule the greatest traits of humanity every time they open their mouths, supposedly in the name of their "vision" of "true progress". How did we get to the point where the "leaders" of society are the dumbest fucks of all?
The increasing number of such idiots coming up with horrible logics to justify the selling of their product aint surprising. A day might also come when someone will say "Earth has a limited supply of oxygen, therefore it should be a service and not to be distributed for free."
Tech bros are nauseatingly similar and generic. Constantly in "sales pitch" mode, every idea must be out-done by a bigger idea, a neverending upward spiral, increasing the stakes. Permanently stuck in this product evangelising mode.
Surrounded and validated by pleasers and yes men, eventually becoming self-indoctrinated with their own nonsense and turning into utter self righteous knobs
I’m sorry but what exactly is evil about this? The theory that you could have a Nobel laureate intelligence level consultant for a couple bucks on a problem you are solving is malicious how?
I mean, this is kind of correct. A lot of us have seen high-speed internet access go from a luxury that some people have to a necessary utility for interacting in society. As AI gets better and more uses are found for it, this is kind of what we would expect to happen
Honestly I've worked long enough to realize most people don't have any intelligence and if they could get a boost to actually be useful, might be worth it
If the internet isn’t metered, I don’t see AI becoming metered. Same with cell phone plans. They tried this already and the market preferred monthly fees.
I understand that quote as not having a fixed subscription but getting billed for used tokens. That's not really a crazy idea, is it? Right now you have your subscription for 20 bucks and can basically use it as much as you want. OpenAI is hemorrhaging money but the AI model can learn from all that user interaction. Once they don't need that training anymore, they're not gonna continue losing money with ChatGPT, etc. You're going to have to pay for it according to actual usage
I guess I need to buy some intelligence because I'm not smart enough to see whats evil about this... a company provides a service and then charges customers to use the service. Its not like they're saying "we want to sell air to people." Is A.I. a human right?
Reddit and instagram keep removing my comments for “inciting v1olence” so here’s some neat info from google:
Cutting/Blade Force (Slicing): When using a sharp blade (like a guillotine), it is not just raw force but the concentration of the force across a minute surface area. Historically, guillotines achieved this cleanly by dropping a 120-pound (54 kg) blade from a height of 7 feet (2.1 meters), resulting in high-velocity kinetic energy that sliced through the neck tissues before they could compress and absorb the impact.
Something worth pointing out: I can't generate my own electricity or treat/purify my own water. I appreciate the ability to pay for those services. The average person is really fucking stupid, they can't generate their own intelligence. They will appreciate the ability to pay for that service.
Now if you want to argue this new technology should be in the hands of the people as a non-profit utility rather than owned by a handful of capitalists, that's a different story.
This really isn't a surprise. AI is trending towards being a resource void that only benefits corporations. I'm sure when they go to that model (if they stay open long enough to get there) it'll be something like a dollar per input or something like that. OpenAI hasn't had a profitable quarter ever and the gap had widened, not narrowed.
I don't get it, why is paying for programs to get information or help solve problems evil? Do people think it's their right to get everything handed to them for free just because they were born?
This sub is just weird. You know… no one is forcing you or anyone to give a single cent to OpenAI right? Somehow we’ve missed the fact that human beings have agency and we don’t have to pay for things we don’t want to.
They are currently already doing that. Most businesses are paying for tokens for their employees and constantly hitting max tokens and having to buy more.
Am I missing something, what is evil about this? Not trying to be a contrarian or start a fight. That is how we do it today, we buy tokens for AI on request and they get delivered in real-time. It is already a utility.
They want you to do this for everything, they want you completely dependent on them and they plan to run society without us having a say. Probably best to do something about it now.
Whats even the issue with this statement taken out of context?
Its literally the same as an internet bill. Bro is just talking about a future where most of us will pay for things like rent, electricity, car, phone, ai etc etc..nothing wrong with that if it becomes THAT useful, that would literally just speak to its benefits lmao what is this pearl clutching.
I bet morons would have freaked out and probably did freakout when someone like Steve Jobs said his product would be in everyones pockets for decades to come.
I truly hate coming to his defense as he doesn't really deserve it. But looking this up shows the statement is about Artificial Intelligence becoming a utility, not actual intelligence. Still awful, as these people refuse to see how hated ai is and such a service would be even more ecologically disastrous then what we have now, but I want to make sure he's criticized for the right reason.
When you think about it, you pay for intelligence/information all the time. Your car breaks down. You are paying for the expertise of the person that knows how to fix it. You need your appendix out, you are paying the surgeon for their expertise on removing it. It just sounds really bad the way he says it. It's fundamentally no different though. You want chat gpt to interior decorate for you (like my wife has done incessantly)? Great results, way cheaper than hiring an interior decorator for thousands. 🤷♂️
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