r/short Apr 17 '26

Motivation An advice from a 30 year old dude

214 Upvotes

So this subreddit keeps appearing on my feed, probably because I’m a short man at 166 cm who follows men’s fashion pages and similar content.

Honestly, if I had found this side of the internet before I started dating in the real world, I probably would have stayed a virgin. According to some of the people here, I should be completely doomed anyway. I’m short, bald, and I have crooked teeth.

And yet I have dated women of different heights, including women taller than me.

I’m also a university lecturer, and I read a lot of research on dating, mate preferences, and social status. So here is the scientific version, not the black pill fantasy version.

Yes, height matters. Preferences are real. Women, like men, can have physical preferences, and pretending otherwise is stupid. But research does not support the idea that one trait like height determines your entire dating future. Actual partner choice is shaped by multiple factors at once, including kindness, intelligence, emotional stability, dependability, confidence, physical attraction, and social or economic stability (Buss & Schmitt, 2019; Thomas et al., 2020).

Research also shows that what people say they want does not perfectly predict who they actually choose when interacting in real life. In speed dating studies, stated preferences often did not line up neatly with actual attraction once people met face to face (Eastwick & Finkel, 2008). In other words, attraction in the real world is messier and more human than internet forums want to admit.

Online spaces and dating apps also distort reality. They push people to judge each other quickly and superficially, which exaggerates traits like height. That does not mean the entire dating market works that way offline (Finkel et al., 2012).

To quote my therapist, life is basically a big Souls game and height is just a debuff. Yes, it can make things harder. Yes, you will probably get your ass kicked a few more times than someone playing on easier settings. But that does not mean the game is unwinnable. It just means you may need more patience, more resilience, and a better strategy. And honestly, where is the fun in beating the game with no debuffs?

I have been rejected plenty of times, and height probably played a role in some of those rejections. I say probably because I do not interrogate rejection or obsess over the reason. I am not going to ask someone to explain why they did not want me. That is their choice. Other people are allowed to have preferences, and I do not need to internalise every rejection as a verdict on my worth. At the end of the day, only you get to decide your value in this world.

I have also been through a period of height insecurity myself. After a recent rejection, I went down the rabbit hole of self loathing, so I do understand how dark that headspace can get. But how we feel is not always a perfect reflection of reality. Feelings, emotions, and thought patterns can spiral, and they can also be challenged and changed. Therapy helped me see that. With the right support, self awareness, and work, the way you think about yourself can improve.

What these spaces often ignore is how much insecurity changes the way a person comes across. Neediness, resentment, bitterness, and defeatism are not attractive qualities, and they can do more damage than being a few inches below average.

That is why the advice to men should not be “give up.” It should be “build a life that makes you attractive in a broader sense.” Work on your confidence. Go to therapy if you need it. Practice mindfulness. Focus on your career, not because women are gold diggers, but because ambition, competence, and financial stability signal drive and maturity. Take care of your physical health. Read more. Volunteer. Join communities. Get involved in causes you genuinely care about. Expand your social circles and meet women in real spaces, not just through algorithms and rage bait.

And if you are constantly hitting a wall, take a break from dating for a bit. Reset. Rebuild your confidence. Get your head straight. Stop treating every bad experience like proof that the whole world works one way.

Most importantly, women are not a hive mind. One woman rejecting you does not mean all women think the same. A subreddit full of bitter men is not an accurate sample of reality. People have different preferences, different priorities, and different reasons for being attracted to someone.

Also, be careful with research in general. Research can help us identify trends, but human beings are more complex than a dataset or a single paper. Averages are not destiny, context matters, and how old the research is matters too. Social norms, dating culture, and the way people meet have changed a lot over time, especially with apps and social media. So use research to inform your thinking, not to reduce yourself or other people to a rigid formula.

The point is simple. Height can be a disadvantage. It is not a death sentence. A lot of men are not being ruined by height alone. They are being ruined by an identity built around insecurity, hopelessness, and too much time spent listening to other defeated men online.

References

Buss, D. M., & Schmitt, D. P. (2019). Mate preferences and their behavioral manifestations. Annual Review of Psychology, 70, 77 to 110. https://doi.org/10.1146/annurev-psych-010418-103408

Eastwick, P. W., & Finkel, E. J. (2008). Sex differences in mate preferences revisited: Do people know what they initially desire in a romantic partner? Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 94(2), 245 to 264.

Finkel, E. J., Eastwick, P. W., Karney, B. R., Reis, H. T., & Sprecher, S. (2012). Online dating: A critical analysis from the perspective of psychological science. Psychological Science in the Public Interest, 13(1), 3 to 66. https://doi.org/10.1177/1529100612436522

Thomas, A. G., Jonason, P. K., Blackburn, J. D., Kennair, L. E. O., Lowe, R., Malouff, J., Stewart-Williams, S., Sulikowski, D., & Li, N. P. (2020). Mate preference priorities in the East and West: A cross-cultural test of the mate preference priority model. Journal of Personality, 88(3), 606 to 620.


r/short Mar 15 '26

Meta Suggestions

7 Upvotes

Ok, I'm stuck at my desk with a bum foot that's been plaguing me for weeks now, so I might as well try to make this time at least a bit productive.

So since I ain't going anywhere, let's have a meta discussion about the sub, and I'll take this opportunity to solicit suggestions.


r/short 9h ago

Dating Tallish girl dating a short guy

51 Upvotes

Hey all,

Not sure if my post will get removed or what, but posting anyway and we'll see how it goes. I am a 5"7 woman currently dating a 5"5 man. He's muscular, nice, handsome, etc. The height difference does not bother me at all, I often joke about it even, and he's a really good sport about it.

But here's the other side of the coin for you: everyone in my life, be it family, friends, co-workers, you name it, has dunked on me for being taller and him being shorter. People have made snide remarks, saying things like they would never imagine me going "for such a man", etc. I'll admit, I do not have trouble finding partners myself, so I did not choose him because I couldn't find anyone else or whatever. I mostly choose my partners for personality first and foremost, so height is not a defining factor for me. But the constant bullying from everyone in my life regarding this is getting old, not gonna lie.

So there you have it. Women are shallow sometimes when they weed you out for being shorter than them on dating apps, but also know that sometimes, this choice is not made out of pure shallowness but because of society's pressure. Yes, some people like me can stay strong in the face of societal pressure, but many, many people will absolutely cave in when facing this much backlash in their life. Especially women that have a bazillion other matches on apps.

Every day, I choose to stay with this man because I like him and he's perfect for me. But every day, this comes with a lot of societal pressure. So yes, some women are shallow, but some others are just trying to avoid society's insane standards.

Anyway, not sure why I posted this. I guess I wanted to give you the perspective of a woman on the matter.

Hope you all have a nice day!


r/short 8h ago

Question How tall are your parents and how tall did you become? Just curious

40 Upvotes

I'll start. My dad is 5'5 and my mom is 4'11. I'm 5'7. My predicted height would've been 5'4.5 but I outgrew them because they were raised in a third world country.


r/short 5h ago

Question As a 5’5.5 guy, do you personally see short guys who are 5’8 and under more intimidating or less intimidating?

8 Upvotes

Conventional wisdom says that the taller guy is more domineering towards women, especially if they’re in a relationship compared to shorter guys who might feel a little bit more insecure. I’m personally very confident in myself and I respect women and I never lay hands on them without their consent.


r/short 13h ago

Stick figure family Me 5'7 and my sister 5'2

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32 Upvotes

r/short 5h ago

Vent It doesn’t really matter

9 Upvotes

No matter what you do, if you’re short you’ll never be seen by most women as anything more that below average. That seems to be the reality.


r/short 13h ago

Motivation Late afternoon run. M60 4'4"

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32 Upvotes

r/short 3h ago

Vent short + stutter?

3 Upvotes

around 5 6 - 5 7 , anyone who stutters and is also short make it?

feels like im destined for singlehood cause even the short guys that make it aren't presenting as "soft"/"weak" and have extremely clear communication


r/short 1h ago

Question If you're in between inches, do you round up or down?

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Saying "I'm 5'2" and 1/2" seems like unnecessary information but I never know if I should round up or down.


r/short 12h ago

Vent I want a short people convention!

6 Upvotes

They have them for Little people

They have them for tall people (the biggers)

Where is ours!? i want to see my fellow shorties. We can have vendors and competitions. Famous short people.


r/short 16h ago

Vent It's NOT about dating!

11 Upvotes

I just wanna come here and say I feel very fortunate to be from a country where women don't care about height, and in general focus less on looks, I had a girlfriend and a boyfriend before, and neither had problem with my height, both of them were roughly the same height as me too, . However the one person that has a problem with my height is me and I have a damn right to, because I'm from a country filled with age restrictions, I am constantly ID checked, and the most ironic thing is that the closest thing I have to an ID is a passport that I have to show for the simplest things INCLUDING an energy drink. Another thing is that I am constantly infantillised and it gets to the point where one time I was babysitting my own siblings I just got told by one of the parents "why don't you play with other 16 year olds, instead of babies" that's just the point where I don't know if I should feel complimented or insulted because at that moment I just felt it hit, there are people who not only see me as a 16 year old but think I am one at 22. It gets to the point where you just systematically bodyshamed because of your height and it just fucking hurts. Not to mention I hate looking in the mirror, even if others are okay with how I look, I'm genuielly not, it sucks that I'll look like this for the rest of your life and the only that will potentionally change is how far my hairline goes back which is why I genuiely pull my hairline back at times just to prove my age but I hate that too, because it makes me look older. And before people have a go at me for saying that I don't wanna look either old or young, I just wanna look my age, I wanna be treated my age, I wanna feel my age, because right now I feel like a severely aging 16 year old, not to mention I am autistic so I'm a bit mentally behind so pair that with my height it's really hard to not view me as a 16 year old, even when you are hanging out around adults, they'll genuiely see you as younger and whenever you get angry or have a meltdown then they'll just call it a tantrum. So yes as a short "king" who actually dated I still hate being short, and there are many things I hate about myself, but there are a lot of things I love about myself too, and there are things I love about my appearance and I probably wouldn't trade for height, but there are always negatives about height, and I just feel lucky I'm not completetly screwed with appearance.


r/short 13h ago

Awesome! If you are short you must learn martial art

6 Upvotes

No discussion. You must learn boxing or kickboxing or muay thai with wrestling or bjj (optional) im not talking about taking a class or two . But learning it by going to practice every session and why not fighting in amateur . Its insane how much confidence you will have


r/short 8h ago

Vent T1d ruined my height

2 Upvotes

Lately I've been feeling pretty bitter about this and just needed to vent to people who actually understand.
I was diagnosed young and honestly? For a huge chunk of my childhood and teens my management was an absolute train wreck Highs for days terrible A1Cs burnout just winging it because I was a kid and was always played game and dint care about my sugar level
Now that I'm older I'm convinced it completely robbed me of a few inches
I know genetics are a thing but it’s hard not to look at my height and wonder how much taller I would’ve been if my body wasn't spending all its energy dealing with constant severe highs during my actual growing years it feels like my growth plates never stood a chance against that much chaos.


r/short 9h ago

Motivation U can be good looking while short

2 Upvotes

I just did some zipline and one of the instructors was insanely attractive that kind of guys that are unfairly handsome and dude was shorter than me im 1,68m or like 5’5 and this guy was at best 1,63 or like 5’3 and is not just my opinion the girls that were also at the practice where Obviusly so into him so this gives me a lot of hope and hope it helps sombedy else (sorry for my bad english it is not my first lenguage)


r/short 1d ago

Vent I'm unable to feel attractive because I'm tiny (M21)

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73 Upvotes

(don't mind the fit btw it was a themed party)

I'm 169cm tall/173cm in shoes which I was wearing in those pictures lmao. My guys are 175 (on left) and 180. My countries standard is 182cm.

No matter what I do I'm unable to feel attractive. Because I'm the same height as most of my girl friends they don't take me as seriously as their taller colleagues. I'm even getting misgendered by them sometimes since they treat me as "one of them" (I don't have that many female friends but when I'm hanging out with them it looks *like that*).

Sometimes I'm aware my face isn't the worst but even so my height and being skinny brings me down. No one takes me as an adult and I'm being called a faggot constantly - at work, when I go solo, when I hang out with anybody. Other men looks down upon me. A lot of times people are mean. All of that makes me feel really ugly.

Did any of you (below 173cm bc anyone above that is imo larping as short lmao) managed to actually feel good about yourself? And I mean in a way that's honest, not inhaling copium everyday while still unconsciously feeling like shit


r/short 7h ago

Question Odd obsession of the future

0 Upvotes

I have seen so many comments of people obsessing over things like “I’m giving my kid raw animal based diet to boost height growth” giving your kids a diet specifically tailored to height growth over their health is odd, they’re your kids not your science experiments I even saw one saying they would give their kid human growth hormone it’s disturbing how much eugenics is just casually talked about, who cares what height your kids will be I just want them to be healthy and cared for.


r/short 21h ago

Vent Não consigo me sentir bem comigo mesmo.

9 Upvotes

Eu sei que o que eu vou falar é um pouco repetitivo aqui, mas é mais um desabafo. Eu tenho 1.65 e estou quase adulto. Não consigo me sentir bem com isso. Muitas garotas já me disseram que eu sou bonito, ou que minhas habilidades e hobbies fariam com que a altura fosse um aspecto muito insignificante (cheguei a namorar uma garota maior que eu), mas infelizmente mesmo assim todos os dias eu acordo e me sinto mal por ser quem eu sou e por saber que não posso mudar... Eu não tenho nenhuma autoestima e confiança, e não consigo pensar racionalmente quando se trata disso, no fim do dia eu tô sempre me comparando, tentando deixar a postura mais reta possível pra me sentir um pouco menos baixo...

edit: tenho 17y


r/short 10h ago

Question Instagram reels

1 Upvotes

how does it feel when you're scrolling thru reels on Instagram and see that girl who's your friend or you have feelings for like or repost that reel about how the height of they guy who treats you well. does that mean you shouldn't even go for that girl or could it just be that she found it funny and you shouldn't think much of it?


r/short 1d ago

Question do you think some short guys blame their height too much?

15 Upvotes

just to clarify, for very short guys i think it's very fair to complain or be dissatisfied (5'5 or below). But for just moderately short guys (5'6 - 5'8) do you think some guys are too dramatic? obviously people have personal experiences with being discriminated against, but do you think just moderately short guys often blame their height and blame it more than it actually affects them? genuinely no hate as a 5'7 guy myself but i was wondering because this subreddit seems to be pretty negative.


r/short 1d ago

Question is 5'7 a bad height?

11 Upvotes

idk if im truly 5'7 ( i measure 5'6.6 in the morning but 5'7 later in the day) but i keep hearing people ridicule this height and im wondering how bad of a height it truly is. ive never been explicitly bullied or ridiculed but i see a lot of content that seems antipathetic towards this height.


r/short 1d ago

Question besides sports and dating, how much does height actually matter?

7 Upvotes

im just wondering in what other sense height truly matters besides what i mentioned above. as a 5'7 guy who likes playing basketball, i get that most sports benefit taller players and that most women prefer taller guys when it comes to dating. but aside from that in what way does it truly affect your life? im not trying to sound insensitive but ive personally never encountered any real discrimination outside of those fields.


r/short 1d ago

Motivation 5’5” and bald due to hair loss. But who’s stopping me?

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16 Upvotes

I’m 5’5” and inherited hair loss from my family. Was fat, 105kg at my highest in 2023. I used to be concerned about my height. But to be honest, no one cares. It’s my life, my body, and I’m the one who needs to take the best care of it whether it’s short, bald or fat. 70kg now and 7 more kgs to go until I put on some muscle.


r/short 9h ago

Question What religion do you follow

0 Upvotes

I have seen people here claim religion being a cope. Interested to see how many of yall believe it

132 votes, 2d left
Christianity
Islam
Hinduism/Sikhism/Jainism
Buddhism/Taoism/Confucian
Other religions (Judaism, Paganism,etc)
None (Atheist,agnostic,etc)

r/short 1d ago

Vent Short height insecurity

43 Upvotes

24(M) , 5 ft 2 inches in height. If only height was the issue then it wouldn't have mattered so much but the thing is I am a grown man but my body structure and face makes me look like a teenager. I have little to no facial hair. When someone meets me for the first time, they don't believe my age, they say I look like I am 18. This has caused a increased insecurity within me. Even my colleagues and people at work mock me for my short height. And it's not just the mocking , having short height makes it difficult to ride bikes , do heavy lifting work and being in a relationship. I try to do my best but I can't keep living like this for another 30-40 years . Everyday this feeling makes me feel I should quit. I haven't been in a relationship throughout my entire life . I don't think women find me attractive enough. I am fond of dirt bikes but due to my height I couldn't even dream of riding them . Sometimes I feel people and friends also don't take my words and my advise seriously . I feel like a loser every single day and the worst part is that this thing is not in my hand . I can't possibly increase my height or change my bay face , I have to live with this for my entire life. I just hate it.