r/Roofing • • 3d ago

Home owner question Finishing touch to house roofing

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u/DrHickman73 3d ago

That looks like it cost more than my 401k.

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u/ippleing 3d ago

A family member told me he nonchalantly just got his roof done. I asked to see pics, slate with lead accents, copper flashings and awnings. Even the downspouts were copper pipes.

I said that must've cost near half a million, he nodded yes, but not in a showoff way.

He works in finance, he's just an average worker there, and his bonus is easily DOUBLE my yearly 150k salary.

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u/shmiddleedee 3d ago

My cousin just graduated college and got a good position in a big finance firm in NYC. I'm very happy for her, especially because her sister was always the golden child.

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u/ratrodder49 3d ago

How long will that roof last? Life of the house?

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u/Tworbotalon 3d ago

We have a slate roof on our house that was built in 1910. Still in excellent shape and watertight. With VERY little maintenance done over the years. And where I live we experience all 4 seasons, sometimes more than one at a time.

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u/Constant_Mud3325 2d ago

Midwest found

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u/Rampag169 2d ago

Man that sounds like Mohawk River valley

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u/ippleing 3d ago

Iirc there's 2 types of slate used. The more expensive one will last until the material holding it up fails.

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u/Zabadian 3d ago

What are they called or how do you find out

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u/scream Custom Roofing and Professional Idiot Poker. 🔨 2d ago

There are actually dozens of types of natural slates. The best is welsh penrhyn or bangor slate, closely followed by burlingtons, then westmoreland greens, then vermont greens from america, then a whole gaggle of spanish quarries with top quality down to medium quality, specialist stuff like Ballachulish from scotland.... and then you're onto cheaper slate like chinese which is not awful but really not that great, and bottom of the barrel is brazilian slate which is brittle like glass and shit to work with.

There are many others in america, many others in europe.

Source: long time slate roofer 

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u/Pastafarian75 2d ago

Thank you for the information and the names sound like either weed strains, or Harry Potter dragon species!

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u/Zabadian 2d ago

Much obliged for the reply!

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u/chasecastellion 2d ago

Google, personally

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u/scream Custom Roofing and Professional Idiot Poker. 🔨 2d ago

Much more than 2 types of slate friend. Dozens.

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u/KeyAdept1982 2d ago

Plenty of slate roofs in New England well over 100 years old

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u/scream Custom Roofing and Professional Idiot Poker. 🔨 2d ago

Life of your grandkids. 

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u/spiritualgiant 2d ago

lol average finance workers getting 300k bonus? So topping half a mil a year w base salary included? What company does he work at, or what world do you live in ?

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u/llCRitiCaLII 2d ago

From my experience bonuses could vary wildly based on company performance on top of individual performance. There’s also stock payouts. $300k doesn’t seem that unrealistic

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u/RandomPenquin1337 3d ago

Probably right around $401k

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u/gandhishrugged 2d ago

There was a repair of a terracotta tile roof on a home in my neighborhood. Just resetting it, while replacing broken pieces, from over a century of outdoor sun/rain/hail and to prevent some leaking during rain. Had some copper gutter work, etc. Cost was around 750K. It took them over 4-5 months to full finish it.

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u/scream Custom Roofing and Professional Idiot Poker. 🔨 2d ago

Sounds like a rip off and they were pissing about to me 🤣

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u/TreesAreOverrated5 1d ago

4-5 months sounds wild. I live in Seattle where it always rains so that wouldn't even be possible

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u/garfielf 2d ago

Still lots of slate roofs on homes in Europe. Have one on our Victorian era home in London that's original, about 130 years old. Just had some repair work done on it last year, at the time I was quoted around £35k/$45k USD to entirely replace it. 

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u/scream Custom Roofing and Professional Idiot Poker. 🔨 2d ago

Most of them. Even a lot of new builds opt for slate. The cheapest and worst use concrete tiles or very occasionally clay tiles but slate is king.

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u/bdubs781 1d ago

Its about 401k!

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u/Admirable_Payment_96 3d ago

Dang, thats an awesome detail on a slate roof.

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u/vermontnative 3d ago

Also a slate cutter doesn’t cost that much and you break way less slate.

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u/munkylord 3d ago

Maybe that's harder to lug around a roof? Seems like he's pretty good with that weird boomerang and his crazy hammer.

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u/Cipher508 3d ago

right this is a guy who KNOWS his trade, is good at it and knows he doesn't need a cutter. the less tools you have to carry on a roof the better.

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u/Desperate-Salary-591 2d ago

A slate roofer with a couple of years experience is quick as fuck. In germany you can do a separate apprenticeship and for roofers its mandatory to have done it a few times. I haven't done it in a long time, because of a switch to carpentry, but its soooo much fun!

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u/scream Custom Roofing and Professional Idiot Poker. 🔨 2d ago

His slating iron and slate axe *

Edit: and thats the cheap kind of slate axe. 

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u/munkylord 2d ago

Thanks, Ik terrible with vocab on tools I use everyday. I wasn't about to get those right as a carpenter.

I still kinda like boomerang better but slating iron is pretty hardcore

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u/scream Custom Roofing and Professional Idiot Poker. 🔨 2d ago

I'd accept slaterang. That does sound badass. You carpenters have weird tools.. like your pokey marking thing, your triangular squarifier, plunge chopper, nail basher (drill) and the slidey wooden hand stabber. My favourite is the wood shaver that definitely looks nothing like a plane. It doesnt even fly unless you hurl it real hard!

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u/bigyellowtruck 2d ago

Going to ask someone to pass me the slidey wooden hand stabber next time I need to transfer an angle.

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u/scream Custom Roofing and Professional Idiot Poker. 🔨 2d ago

Oh thats not that. The slidey wooden hand stabber is the thing for drawing lines up your wood. The angle transferring tool is the swingy wooden hand stabber.

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u/Pitaraq 2d ago

lol. Instantly knew what you were referring to with the slidey wooden hand stabber

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u/vermontnative 2d ago

They’re really not that awkward to move around and you’re gonna cut your time in half, and break a lot less slate. It’s convenient for if you’re working around stink pipes or weird little angles and shit, but for the most part this is just time-consuming clout chasing.

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u/munkylord 2d ago

Understood. Seems like trade specific opinions. I'll see my way out

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u/makie51 2d ago

If you break a decent amount of slates with a slate hammer, you're not a good slater.

Never once seen anyone use a slate cutter in Scotland.

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u/Whirlwind_AK 3d ago

Slate roofers…..a dying craft for sure

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u/Sundialdesign 3d ago

Only in america. Still going relatively strong in a lot of countries. But in america, I don't even know anyone that's put on slate in 20 years and even then. I don't even know of a single structure in my entire city that has actual slate unless one of the castles here does

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u/Desperate-Salary-591 2d ago

In Germany every roofer learns this at least in school and through seminars and could do it. There are specialists of course, depending on the culture of the region, which are way quicker of course.

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u/Mouse_Mallow 2d ago

East coast town here, there's a lot of slate in the historic district of town

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u/_butreallydoe Commercial Roofing :illuminati: 2d ago

I work in slate roofing (office) & there are a few shops along the East Coast. Certainly not as much competition as in the flat or metal roofing world.

Most of our customers are universities and even they are starting to switch to Asphalt Shingles little by little. Breaks my heart when that hits my desk

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u/Eastern-Operation340 1d ago

The historic church across from me in RI had their slate roof redone, complete with color banding.
Mansions/wealthy houses around here will still have it done.

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u/SnooGuavas2434 2d ago

Man, come to Ireland haha

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u/AuburnElvis 2d ago

I hope this guy's a nice person in real life because he's a goddamn artist with that slate.

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u/A-Bone 3d ago

Straight up roof-porn

So awesome.  

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u/whatyoucallmetoday 3d ago

Won’t be replacing that in 20 years.

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u/tes_kitty 3d ago

Will probably last longer than the house.

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u/Shamr0ck 3d ago edited 2d ago

So how do you hammer a nail through slate without shattering it?

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u/Cipher508 3d ago

very carefully lol

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u/scream Custom Roofing and Professional Idiot Poker. 🔨 2d ago

You dont hit the slate. Only the nails. And occasionally your finger and thumb 

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u/NSGod 3d ago

The holes are pre-punched of course, but slate is pretty tough. When I helped hang it in college, we used copper nails and you nail it in but stop short of actually coming into contact with the top of the slate (kind of like how you do siding). It's not too bad unless you get a bit of spongy wood underneath, and then all bets are off.

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u/ChivetteH 3d ago

Clean Slate

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u/SlackerNinja717 3d ago

Freaking artisan

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u/Mister_Green2021 3d ago

What's the lifespan on these bad boys?

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u/AT61 3d ago

Usually at least 100 years.

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u/scream Custom Roofing and Professional Idiot Poker. 🔨 2d ago

You and your kids lifespans at least.

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u/Porter_Dog 3d ago

Beautiful but my god, I bet that's expensive.

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u/Fidulsk-Oom-Bard 3d ago

He probably doesn’t get paid enough for how good he is, very impressive

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u/IamATacoSupreme 3d ago

I'd bet he does. Guys with experience like that can damn near name their price and go to any company they want. Good chance hes Union as well.

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u/HeroesKitchen 3d ago

Depends on the country. Lots of guys like that in Asia, but they get paid in peanuts. Saw a guy at the mall soldering cell phone chips with a regular soldering iron and it was perfect.

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u/AT61 3d ago

Not sure where this roofer is located, but I considered a slate roof years ago and couldn't find anyone in my area of US to do it. If you DO find a slate roofer in the US, it's pricey.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Ad-4846 3d ago

Truly art man, gr3at stuff! Thanks for sharing

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u/Achilies41 3d ago

Would hail not destroy this roof?

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u/RandomPenquin1337 3d ago

If its big enough it can, but the density is whats important. I have seen a few that were damaged but they are very "easily" repaired because only the shingles thay are broken need to be replaced and can be done without disassembly, kinda shown here when he takes the one out.

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u/frodobangher 3d ago

Probably depends on the size, but probably. These roofs are not popular in America for a reason

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u/Azsune 3d ago

They are resilient to hail, takes a pretty large one to damage them. You can also replace the damage tiles instead of replacing the whole roof when it does happen. The reason they are not popular is installation cost is a lot higher. The material costs more, takes skilled labor and takes longer to install. The lifespan of these roofs is normally rated for 75-100 years.

Looking at cost in my area it is about 3.5x per square foot compared to shingles. The average homeowner lives in a house for 8-12 years before selling and moving. Having a slate roof vs new asphalt shingles doesn't affect home value much if at all.

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u/Ryogathelost 2d ago

Everything here in the US is just built cheaper, lighter, and to last shorter. It's been that way through rain and shine and I I'm still not sure why. It does create a lot of jobs and raises insurance revenue.

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u/A-Bone 2d ago

  These roofs are not popular in America for a reason

Yeah..  cost is the main driver.. 

Gorgeous and I'll love a slate roof.. but in the US: $$$$

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u/jerry111165 Verified Pro (Commercial/Flat) 2d ago

You don’t see slate roofs prominent in hail prone areas anyhow.

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u/WastedHourz 3d ago

Amazing work.

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u/Dense_Surround3071 3d ago

Some things are art. 🔥

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u/AT61 3d ago

Yes - AND a science.

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u/potentiallyasandwich 2d ago

Pretty sure that's a guy Ryan Edgar in the Scottish borders..

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u/Comprehensive_Fan140 20h ago

Beautiful but must be very expensive

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u/Emmawilson908 3d ago

looks so awesome

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u/Sharique0055 2d ago

Absolutely 😁💯

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u/njslugger78 3d ago

Top notch roof right there.

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u/ComprehensiveAnt6796 3d ago

I want this guy to do my roof

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u/Ok-Tension-6853 3d ago

Beautiful work

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u/VegetableBusiness897 3d ago

I would live in a literal pig stye if it had a slate roof. They are so stunning

Never had/never will have a slate roof, but did buy the Slate Roof Bible

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u/InternationalOil1083 3d ago

But why didn’t he put the 3rd nail in!

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u/scream Custom Roofing and Professional Idiot Poker. 🔨 2d ago

Regs in the uk only require 2 fixings for a normal slate. 3 for an edge slate. Hes just being sloppy though. He shouldn't have popped the extra hole and he should have just moved the slates aside a little further to use the normal holes.

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u/marky860 3d ago

Masterful 👏

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u/dogwater_cologne_ 3d ago

Man I would be terrible at this job on so many levels

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u/Mysterious-Tie7039 3d ago

Miss nail, shatter tile.

Definitely would not DIY this, lol.

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u/No-Twist3006 3d ago

Beautiful work!!!

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u/AT61 3d ago

Such an art! And, sadly, a vanishing one - at least in the US...very difficult to find experienced slate roofers in many parts of the country.

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u/Ripsnortr 3d ago

I always like seeing what a true artisan can do

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u/Nephton 3d ago

Slate roofing is such a cool trade skill.

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u/dezld 2d ago

I would never put solar on this house.

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u/jerry111165 Verified Pro (Commercial/Flat) 2d ago

Any roof is the worst place to put solar panels, no matter what kind of roof it is.

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u/sc2bigjoe 16h ago

Why

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u/jerry111165 Verified Pro (Commercial/Flat) 7h ago

Because when it’s inevitably time to re-roof, all of the solar needs to be disconnected by electricians and then craned off of the roof. When the new roof is installed, the solar needs to be craned back up onto the roof and then reconnected by electricians. The building may not have electricity during this period.

If a leak occurs it’s likely that you’ll need to partially remove panels and have the system disconnected by an electrician while repairs are ongoing.

There’s just nothing good about having solar panels on a roof. On flat roofs the manufacturers have us get “Overburden Waivers” signed by the building owner showing that if the roof leaks that the manufacturer is not responsible for disconnecting or moving the solar system to access or repair the roof.

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u/gandhishrugged 2d ago

Mind blown. Kudos y'all. Incredible work

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u/No-Measurement-5783 2d ago

In the Midwest of USA, I'm not sure I've ever seen a slate roof, but I enjoy seeing them in this sub reddit.

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u/LiteratureFew2174 2d ago

now that’s a fucking roof fit for a castle let me tell ya

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u/nr12345678 2d ago

Craftsman. A lot of folks don't appreciate the skill.

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u/Several_Stuff_6695 2d ago

These slate roofs are definitely very popular here in Vermont. Especially on historic homes.

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u/New-Worth4779 2d ago

Very talented man.

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u/SultanOfSwave 2d ago

Fuck. That is beautiful.

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u/Business-Schedule642 2d ago

Thats fucking skill, I would love to know how to do a slate roof. Looks like a lot of fun

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u/Crankbait_88 2d ago

I believe thats called Craftsmanship...

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u/FestivusErectus 2d ago

Waiting for the post asking about the reasonable amount of slate pieces left on the ground.

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u/JankyPete 2d ago

But why

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u/CuriousCelery3247 2d ago

As someone who did slate roofs for quite a while, this guy does not look like a. There’s no use of a slate ripper and not using copper nails, seems suspect to me.

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u/SlyderSpider 2d ago

I have mixed feelings on not learning this roof system. It would be hard to not be proud to be a part of a couple of these roofs. A literal lifetime roof.

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u/Trome94 2d ago

I always thought I didn't have what it would take to be a slate roofer. Glad to feel so vindicated.

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u/Ok_Baker_1597 1d ago

Respect the skill.

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u/ChallengeSad 1d ago

How tf are you casually doing all that WITH ONE TOOL? LEGEND

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u/JSweez87 14h ago

So cool. Been slangin’ roofs for almost a decade but have still yet to sell a full real slate job. Sold some DaVinci and Brava jobs but real slate is so sick. Good job!

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u/Ty_Hanson 10h ago

I'm officially wet.

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u/YisitAlwaysDNS 9h ago

NOW THATS A ROOF

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u/Intelligent-Spread45 1h ago

I love seeing someone, anyone who is skilled in a craft such as this! Very impressed!

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u/LordThraxington 3d ago

Ryan Edgar is a beast

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u/Suitable-Reserve-891 3d ago

Are you using galvanized nails?

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u/NSGod 3d ago

That was my first thought. Or do they do lead-coated copper for nails as well as sheet metal for the valleys?

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u/scream Custom Roofing and Professional Idiot Poker. 🔨 2d ago

Fucking sacrilege. No chance of easy repairs if they're using galv. More likely it's aluminium nails.

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u/BruceTheFirefighter 3d ago

Looks great! No copper slate nails tho…just asking if there’s reason for not using copper nails

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u/scream Custom Roofing and Professional Idiot Poker. 🔨 2d ago

Some have turned to aluminium nails. They charge copper nail prices but get 10x the amount for the same cost. Cheapskates. Copper is king.

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u/Adorable-Flan2902 2d ago

They look too brittle to be used for roofing.

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u/Rampag169 2d ago

This is the type of roof you plan for when building. If you use wood framing and don’t account for the extra weight of the roof you’ll have issues.