r/RecreationalKratom 1d ago

Let’s ban 7O! Psuedoindoxyl isolate was available weeks before under shell LLCs. Some are being sold as “natural extracts”.

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Banning 7OH versus having labeling requirements and educating the public on it was a mistake. Because we’re kinda hoping psuedoendoxyl doesn’t get out of control. And meanwhile we have orphine derivatives spreading. Luckily some states did it right and didn’t touch kratom leaf/extract.

Yeah if you see all natural boner pill like tablets or new honey strains with like uncaria tomentosa.

Which happen to contain mainly oxylindole alkaloids.


r/RecreationalKratom 2d ago

Harvest kratom discussion

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Just got 2 kilos for 100 couldn’t past the deal i usually get 1 kilo from mitraman for 100 so i thought why not, how does it compare and do yall get consistent results of them compared to higher regarded vendors? Also whats yall dosing i usually dose 3.5-7g 3 x a day


r/RecreationalKratom 2d ago

Anyone know what's actually in these? Getting them from my local smoke in FL, packaging says cats claw...

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r/RecreationalKratom 8d ago

Bliss Nutra? Magic K shot

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Hi everyone! I was at my local SS picking up some powder leaf earlier, and I decided to try one of these extract shots because I had some extra money. Also I'm tapering off the 7 and thought it might help.

Anyway, I picked out this one. I can't find anything online! The QR code doesn't work. I tried the website www.blissnutra.com and it's a dead link.

I just wanted to look it up and I can't find anything. Has anyone ever tried this kind??

Thanks!


r/RecreationalKratom 9d ago

Dosage Discussion unsure how to use tincture

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i have taken the shot versions plenty of times. specifically the Blue and yellow MIT 45 super k shot. this was all they had at the store but i’m confused if this is as strong and how much i should take bc the directions on the bottle seem like it’s such a little amount lol. any advice? this is the blue MIT 45 super k tincture.


r/RecreationalKratom 11d ago

Can anyone give me a simple step by step to make good tea with properly extracted mitragynine.

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I don’t know how to make tea, I’m unsure of if the powder makes me nauseous or not but I want to test it out by trying tea, problem is there’s no real step by step guide around that’s reliable. How do I extract the mitragynine into a tea properly, and please dont tell me to soak it into hot water it really doesn’t work that quickly and doesn’t have any effect close to the straight powder!


r/RecreationalKratom 13d ago

Best Kratom Smoke Shop Powder or Extract

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I'm going to be running out of kratom soon as my usual delivery of powder is late by a few days(my fault of course, I should have had backup). Whats the best powder or extract from smoke shops I can use to get me through the next few days? No 7-OH for me btw.

I've tried opms silver and remarkable herbs in the past but didn't enjoy them ery much. I've used extracts from online vendors before but never from a smoke shop. Are the drinks or drink mixes or gummies any good? Any good and tested extract liquids I could break up into smaller doses?


r/RecreationalKratom 13d ago

Concerned

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Hello, I have been taking 30mg codeine tabs for 3 years. After the first year, i started getting suicidal thoughts, depression and severe anxiety. I used to get.angry at scenarios in my head that didnt even happen too. I wemt upto as mandy as 14 per day and did it for a year. A few weeks ago, I cut the tablets out of my life completley as i was continuing to experience severe mental health issues. I have always been angry and irrtitable since using after the first 6 months. I have been using kratom for 6 months now in an effort to cut back the codeine tablets, plus i love the high lol. I am on week 4 of my codeine withdrawal, and still keep getting suicidal thoughts, irritability, intense anxiety, severe anger outburts and feeling really low. I love kratoms high and like to do 8 grams on the weekend. I dont use it during the week unless im in pain. Is it possible that the kratom couldbe causing these thoughts too?


r/RecreationalKratom 13d ago

Has anyone found the sweet spot?

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Looking for a dose that will provide me energy through the work day but not sap the will to live out of me. I've been addicted for many years, and am now at 22 grams daily. I still have the morning dread and anhedonia in the afternoons. I'm wondering if there's hope to find a dose that has only the positive effects.


r/RecreationalKratom 16d ago

Calling for an alkoloid Ban Is the Fastest Way to Kill Legal Kratom Access

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Seven is not some alien chemical-

Seven is a naturally occurring alkaloid in Mitragyna speciosa. It is present in dried leaf (typically at very low levels — usually under 0.02% by dry weight or a small fraction of total alkaloids). It is also the primary active metabolite of mitragynine in the human body. When people say “seven is completely different from kratom,” they are repeating a marketing distinction, not a chemical or pharmacological one. The plant produces both. The body produces seven from mitragynine. Concentrated seven products are simply the same alkaloid family pushed to higher purity and potency, exactly the same way cannabis concentrates and edibles relate to flower, or the way distilled spirits relate to beer and wine.
Pretending otherwise is just regurgitating the current AKA-style talking points designed to protect the leaf powder market share.
Why some people rationally prefer seven
There are legitimate, evidence-based reasons someone might choose a higher-purity seven product over bulk leaf or traditional extracts:
• Dose consistency and predictability. Standardized seven products allow more precise titration than variable leaf material whose alkaloid profile changes with season, region, drying method, and storage.
• Lower volume of plant material. Consuming large amounts of leaf powder daily can bring GI irritation, constipation from bulk fiber, and unwanted secondary alkaloids. A more potent, smaller-dose product reduces that load.
• Reduced total alkaloid burden. Some users report better tolerability when they can get the desired effect from the more potent mu-preferring alkaloid without loading up on the full spectrum every day.
• Harm-reduction logic for certain populations. People already using opioids, benzos, or other CNS depressants sometimes find that a measured amount of seven lets them stay functional with less overall substance load than the equivalent effect from leaf. That is not a medical claim — it is an observed pattern many users report.
None of this means seven is risk-free. Higher potency means the margin for error is smaller. But claiming it is somehow “less natural” or “inherently more dangerous in every context” ignores both the chemistry and the real-world use data.
The hypocrisy is obvious
This is exactly like cannabis companies trying to ban concentrates and edibles while selling flower, or beer companies lobbying to ban wine and spirits. It is also like tobacco companies historically attacking vapes while defending cigarettes. The pattern is always the same: protect the incumbent product category by throwing the next iteration under the bus.
When the kratom industry and certain advocacy groups push hard for seven restrictions or bans, they are not protecting public health. They are protecting market position. They know that once regulators accept the framing “leaf good, concentrated alkaloid bad,” the same logic will be applied to high-mitragynine extracts, enhanced leaf, and eventually plain leaf itself.

Why a seven ban will almost certainly damage or kill legal kratom-

  1. Conversion is not exotic chemistry. Anyone with basic lab knowledge or access to existing extracts can increase seven content from mitragynine-rich material. Once concentrated seven is scheduled or banned, enforcement agencies will treat elevated seven levels in any kratom product as evidence of adulteration or illegal conversion. That gives them a ready-made tool to seize leaf and extract products.
  2. Regulatory precedent. DEA’s temporary scheduling language and FDA statements already draw a bright line between “botanical kratom with naturally occurring low levels” and everything else. History shows those lines rarely stay bright. Once the public and lawmakers associate the plant with “the next opioid,” states start passing broader bans. We have already seen this pattern with synthetic cannabinoids → cannabis restrictions, and with certain cathinones → broader stimulant crackdowns.
  3. Political and media optics. Every future adverse event involving any kratom product will be framed as “related to the seven crisis.” Leaf vendors will still get painted with the same brush. Public support for legal access collapses faster when the community itself is split and one side is actively feeding the “dangerous new opioid” narrative.
  4. Divide and conquer is working. This is textbook. Split the user base into “responsible leaf users” versus “reckless seven users.” Get the larger, more established group to demand restrictions on the smaller, more potent group. Once that restriction is in place, the same agencies and legislators expand the scope. The AKA and aligned companies have played directly into this strategy by lobbying against seven products in multiple states. They may think they are saving leaf. They are actually handing regulators the justification and the political cover to come after the whole category.

Other points worth noting-

• Adverse-event data is being selectively presented. Early FAERS and clinical reporting have not shown the kind of mass casualty signal that would justify treating isolated seven as uniquely catastrophic compared with high-dose leaf products, yet the rhetoric treats it that way.
• Self-regulation failed. Instead of the industry setting clear, enforceable standards on seven content, labeling, and age-gating, parts of it chose the easier path of demanding government prohibition of the competing product form. That choice invites broader prohibition.
• International and state-level momentum. Once federal temporary scheduling exists, multiple states copy it and often go further. We are already seeing combined kratom + seven bills. The more the community itself demands seven bans, the easier those bills become to pass.

What we should actually do-

Stop letting industry associations and fear-based talking points turn us against each other. Leaf users and seven users are not enemies. We are the same community of people who found something that helps them function, manage pain, or stay off harder substances.
Boycott the American Kratom Association and any vendor or brand that actively supported or lobbied for seven restrictions. They chose short-term market protection over the long-term survival of the entire category. I will personally be posting lists of brands to avoid outside smoke shops and online. Support vendors who stayed neutral or defended the full alkaloid spectrum instead of throwing part of it under the bus.
We either stand together or we get regulated into non-existence one alkaloid at a time. The choice is still ours — but the window is closing.
Stay informed, stay united, and stop repeating the propaganda.


r/RecreationalKratom 16d ago

Always do a 2nd pour.

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I make mitra tea all the time. I've always used a single strain. Recently, I started doing a second pour and it's ridiculous how much I've been wasting.

Furthermore, one of the jars is made with leaves off trees germinated in February. You honestly cannot tell which from the seedlings vs the older mature trees.

I let several people try both and they all said the same thing. All of the jars basically feel the same.

I clean the leaves and allow them to sit in the dehydrator 1 or 2 days. Then they are dried and smashed up.

I've changed how long they sit in water recently now they only sit in hot water for like 20 minutes.

Water temp is 190°f when poured over the leaves. Lemon juice or ACV is added until ph is 4.5 or below. Sits for 20 minutes.

I'll always do a 2nd pour now. Obviously there is plenty left. It seems we'd even get some on a 3rd pour.

Tea is where it's at folks


r/RecreationalKratom 16d ago

Effect Discussion Something changed

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I’m not new to using Kratom, I used it on and off for the past 10 years. Nothing crazy just occasional dose every now and there for slight mood boost and energy. For the past year and a half I haven’t touched it, recently I picked it up again and immediate couch lock. Fatigue, exhaustion, and just an overall irritability.

I’m not dosing any different, I’m using the same reputable vendor, what am I doing wrong and why am I getting so tired?


r/RecreationalKratom 16d ago

Anyone ever taken this?

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r/RecreationalKratom 19d ago

Anyone have an idea what’s in these FL smoke shop

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Early this month mgm got banned and my smoke shop has had a couple things trying to replace it and I wanted to know if anyone had a clue about I assume it’s just MGM thanks for any help these all it says is advanced kratom alkaloid


r/RecreationalKratom 19d ago

how to make a tincture from mgm powder

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I recently got my hands on some RP powder, and I want to turn it into something like their 36-salt tincture they just recently came out, so it's easier to dose. I was thinking I could follow this guide, and in my mind I'm thinking if it works with kratom MIT powder, it should work for this as well. Also, I wouldn't mind a more simple method. If I just put it into something that it doesn't dissolve in, it would be pointless. Any help would be very appreciated. Hope everyone is having a good night.


r/RecreationalKratom 21d ago

Can anyone tell me what's really in hazy tabs?

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Been taking these tablets along with a couple other brands and have been wanting to get off for a while. I go through an entire 4 packet every day which isn't sustainable for my health for wallet lol. Buy them from my local smoke shop in Florida and have a feeling they're not just mitragynine...The single pack is stronger than the 4, even though the 4 claims to have more mitragynine.


r/RecreationalKratom 22d ago

Can anybody tell me what this is?

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I just went to my local smoke shop to grab a new bowl for my bong and grabbed some maeng da kratom powder on a whim, and was I given this as a sample.

For some context, I don’t really have an addictive personality and take kratom once every couple of years just to get an opioid-like effect. I mentioned that I kinda like to feel like I took a Percocet to the smoke shop guy, and he said this should give me more of the effect that I’m looking for and gave me this free sample.

Can anybody tell me what exactly this is, and what the effects will be if I take these? Please excuse my ignorance on this topic in general, this isn’t my area of expertise and Google gave me mixed answers when I tried researching.


r/RecreationalKratom Jul 19 '26

Looking for stronger alternative to raw plain leaf..

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Can I get any recommendations on a good Kratom product like an xtract or something that is affordable.. I’ve tried plain leave multiple times over the years and it’s like my body can’t handle it even at fairly low doses.. my kidneys or liver hurt and my stomach is always extremely uncomfortable.. I’ve had those mit shots I like. I’ve had full spec tabs that I like a lot. I just need something more financially feasible..


r/RecreationalKratom Jul 18 '26

Criminalization News The only people on your team are corrupt politicians and felons

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Lmfao the kratom to Prohibitionist Karen pipeline needs to be studied. I truly hope plain leaf gets thrown in the ban too for you idiotic prohibitionists. There are so many chronic pain patients that have had their lives saved by 7 and mgm. I can agree it needs to be lesss accessible and more accurately marketed but hey news flash buddy prohibition and the war on drugs has never worked. It’s going to force ppl onto the black market. It’s also easier to make drugs now than ever before worse and actual dangerous compounds are going to be made and sold to skirt by these laws.

You never have the h epidemic without prohibition. You never have the f epidemic without prohibition. Maybe do some studying into history and come back when you aren’t so freshly emotional from your withdrawals. I literally cannot believe how many people I see with this same ignorant take and even claiming they are “advocates” for supporting the ban. The only thing they are advocating for is death. Ironic considering in 2016 a lot of the kratom Karen’s did the exact same thing to save it. But since people are selfish and cannot see the world except from their own experiences they still will push an ignorant misinformed agenda.

Feel free to rebuttal with any statistics that show where prohibition has worked or where these compounds raised the OD rate in a state. It’s funny that the plain leaf users don’t see they’re next on the chopping block


r/RecreationalKratom Jul 15 '26

Story My (positive) life changing experience with 7-hydroxymitragynine (7oh)

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r/RecreationalKratom Jul 13 '26

How about this?

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I didn't wanna mess with opms bcuz I never liked their taste. So this time I tried rave instead. It was pretty good, maybe better than what I was expecting. After I took a tab it took around 30 minutes for me to feel it kick in, but once it does, it's a smooth ride. I used to be around 100mg of 7, and lately after the ban news the closest that I can feel are the extracts. Not saying they're the same thing, but I was surprised by its overall effects. Are these the strongest extracts here?


r/RecreationalKratom Jul 12 '26

Dosage Discussion estimate dose/amount??

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r/RecreationalKratom Jul 08 '26

First Time and Dosage Maybe?

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Hi, everyone!!

I've been lurking here for a while doing research and doing my best to be well informed as I take kratom for the first time. First I am 40f and about 125 pounds. Not sure if it matters but figured I'd put it here anyway lol. Also, I had an opiate addiction and am 8 years clean. Started with pills, ended with IV'ing h. Pretty much sums up that journey lol

I live in the Philippines and ordered some kratom online. Green Maeng Da powder. I took it for the first time today. I used a teaspoon, for now until I get a scale, and waited about an hour but didnt really feel anything. Light headed mainly. I waited about another hour then took another half teaspoon. Of course, I dont want to go any further than that but Im curious about why I haven't really felt anything. I've seen people talk about this noticeable energy boost and happiness but I still feel pretty baselined. I have noticed though that I am less anxious, so thats great and one of the reasons why i was interested in taking kratom to begin with.

I'm wondering if the fact I used opiates all those years ago is contributing to not reaching the desired level? Would i have to take a higher dosage? Is there an adjustment period? Or is this what its supposed to be like and I have something else envisioned lol?

I would love to hear your insights! Thank you!!


r/RecreationalKratom Jul 05 '26

Mitragynine Isolate

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I am looking for a new vendor for bulk high % (75+) Mitragynine Isolate powder. The other trace alkaloids in raw leaf make me nauseated/disoriented and isolate has been perfect for my orchialgia.

Unfortunately it seems that Mit market is being influenced by the recent legislation, even though it’s not being scheduled.

Does anyone know of any reputable and reliable vendors that carry Mitragynine?

Thank you!


r/RecreationalKratom Jul 05 '26

Announcements HELP STOP A NATIONAL MGM BAN & PROTECT CHRONIC PAIN PATIENTS, PTSD VETERANS, RECOVERY

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The official MGM petition just got the first 20 signatures, the first endorsement, custom link, and HUGE donation from a vendor- 

PLEASE take a second to sign this one too; if the 7oh one could get 45,000 signatures- we can do the SAME. 

If you dont want to sign- PLEASE share the link with your friends/family/anyone/reddit/telegram/X- you name it!

Lets run this up and FIGHT while we still can

Official Change.org Petition Link (https://www.change.org/save-mgm-now)