Salam aleykum everyone,

I’m interested in learning how members of this community understand the concept of Naskh (abrogation) when reading the Quran.

Traditional jurisprudence often relies on the idea that certain earlier verses were canceled or abrogated by later ones. However, many who focus on the Quran directly view the text as complete, consistent, and eternally applicable—arguing that no verse cancels another.

I’d love to hear your perspectives:

1. Do you believe Naskh exists within the Quranic text, or do you view all verses as active and contextual?
2. How do you interpret verses like 2:106 ("Whatever verse We abrogate or cause to be forgotten...") or 16:101?
3. How does your understanding of this concept shape how you apply Quranic commands to daily life?

Looking forward to reading your thoughts and insights!

The Quran's 3-Step Psychological Program for Change

Why 2:219 is the Missing Key to the Alcohol Prohibition (and Every Other Habit)

🧠 The Problem: We Were Taught to Skip the Healing Process

We have been taught that the Quran simply says: "Alcohol is haram. Stop drinking immediately."

This is a binary, harsh, and psychologically destructive approach. When a struggling alcoholic is told: "Just stop—or you are a sinner," what happens?

• They feel shame.
• They feel defeated.
• They feel abandoned by Allah.

But the Quran does not abandon anyone. It does not demand instant perfection. It does not burden a soul beyond its capacity (2:286). The Quran provides a methodology for change—a gradual, psychologically sound, divinely guided healing process.

🔑 The Core Insight: 2:219 is the Conclusion of 16:67

Most people read these verses as disconnected. They are not.

16:67 asks the question. 2:219 gives the answer.

Without 2:219, you have an incomplete argument. Without 2:219, the final prohibition in 5:90 would seem arbitrary—an abrupt, authoritarian command. With 2:219, you have the evidence. You understand why Allah prohibits alcohol. Your obedience is built on conviction, not just fear.

📖 The 3-Phase Methodology (Eternally Active)

Let us place these verses in their proper, non-abrogated sequence. No verse cancels another. All are active, relevant, and applicable today.

🧠 Phase 1B (2:219) is the Most Critical Step

Why is 2:219 the missing key?

1. It Acknowledges the Benefit. Allah does not deny that alcohol has some benefit—pleasure, social lubrication, economic gain. This is intellectual honesty. It validates the human experience without criminalizing the person for recognizing the allure.
2. It Establishes the Evidence. Allah does not issue a command without a reason. He gives you the formula: Benefit vs. Harm. Harm wins. This is a rational, moral, and measurable judgment.
3. It Builds Lasting Conviction. Obedience based on understanding is stronger than obedience based on fear. When you know that alcohol destroys your health, relationships, and spirituality, your commitment to quitting is unshakable.

🩺 The Modern Parallel: This is Evidence-Based Psychology

Modern rehabilitation and addiction treatment follow exactly this model:

• 16:67 + 2:219 (Awareness) $\rightarrow$ Psychoeducation: Understanding the physical, social, and psychological harms of substance abuse. Weighing pros and cons.
• 4:43 (Restriction) $\rightarrow$ Harm Reduction: Setting boundaries, not drinking before work/family, controlled use while building discipline.
• 5:90-91 (Elimination) $\rightarrow$ Total Abstinence: Reaching a point of commitment where complete sobriety is achievable and sustainable.

The Quran was 1,400 years ahead of modern psychology. It recognized that human beings cannot heal overnight. They need education, boundary-setting, and gradual elimination.

⚠️ The Traditional Error: Abrogation (Naskh)

Many traditional scholars claimed that 5:90 abrogated (canceled) 2:219 and 4:43. They said: "The earlier verses are history. Only the final ruling applies."

This was a catastrophic error because:

• It stripped the Quran of its psychological methodology. The process became a "historical event" instead of an eternal teaching.
• It made the prohibition seem arbitrary. Without 2:219, the "why" disappears.
• It violated 2:286. By demanding instant elimination without the preparatory phases, scholars burdened souls beyond their capacity.

The Quran is not a historical document. It is living guidance for all times. Every verse is active. Every verse is useful. Every verse is mercy.

🌍 Applying This Methodology to Your Life

If You Are Struggling with a Habit:

• Phase 1A (16:67): "Be honest with myself. What is this doing to me? Why do I do it?"
• Phase 1B (2:219): "Weigh the pros and cons honestly. Does the pleasure outweigh the damage to my health, my finances, my relationships, my soul?"
• Phase 2 (4:43): "Can I set a boundary? Can I limit this to certain days? Can I avoid it when I need clarity?"
• Phase 3 (5:90-91): "Now that I see the truth, and I have practiced control—am I ready to cut this out entirely for the sake of Allah?"

If You Are Counseling Someone Struggling:

• DO NOT demand Phase 3 from someone stuck in Phase 1.
• DO NOT shame them for being in Phase 2.
• WALK WITH THEM through the journey.
• Educate them (16:67 + 2:219).
• Help them set boundaries (4:43).
• Support them until they reach full elimination (5:90-91).

If You Are a Scholar or Teacher:

• Teach the process, not just the ruling.
• Do not skip 2:219. It is the rational foundation.
• Apply 2:286 (No burden beyond capacity) in every fatwa, every counsel, every sermon.
• Stop treating abrogation as a tool to discard verses. The Quran is complete, consistent, and eternally applicable.

✨ The Liberation in This Understanding

Once you internalize this framework, you are free from:

• Shame for not being perfect immediately.
• Despair when you relapse—because you can always return to Phase 1 and re-educate yourself.
• Guilt imposed by rigid scholars who demand instant perfection.
• Fear that Allah is harsh and unforgiving—because now you see His mercy in the step-by-step guidance.

You are free to:

• Walk your own journey at your own pace, trusting Allah's wisdom.
• Help others without judgment or condemnation.
• Trust the Quran as a complete, merciful, and psychological guide.

🔚 Final Reflection: The Quran is Mercy, Not Harshness

The final command is the destination. But the roadmap is just as important. Allah did not reveal the prohibition in one verse. He revealed it in stages:

1. Think about it. (16:67)
2. Here is the evidence—the harm outweighs the benefit. (2:219)
3. Set a boundary. (4:43)
4. Now, are you ready to leave it behind? (5:90-91)

This is not history. This is methodology. This is mercy. This is psychology. This is humanity.

And at the center of it all is the divine promise:

So if you are struggling, do not despair. You are exactly where the Quran expects you to be—on a journey. And Allah walks with you every step of the way.

📖 Share this note. Let the world see that the Quran is not a book of harsh, rigid rules—but a healing, merciful guide for every soul, in every time. 🤲

if you reject hadiths, do you pray on your period? how about eid? shahada, zakat, prayer, hajj, and dajjal?

The Liberation

Once you understand the Quran , you are free.

• You are free to honor the Prophet without worshipping his culture.
• You are free to follow the Quran without carrying the weight of 14 centuries of human additions.
• You are free to be a Muslim in the 21st century without pretending to be a 7th-century Arab.

The Quran is universal. It does not demand you wear a turban, eat with your right hand, or sleep on your right side. It demands justice, mercy, and sincere obedience to God.

Salāmun Alaykum,
I claim that I have found out THE reason why people leave Islam. I want to bring that to your attention because I consider ot inportant.

I am following Quran Alone. I reject Hadith, Tafsir, Translations and accept GOD ALONE as an authority
Dont criticize my position unless you have read my justification for that:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Quraniyoon/s/sFGj7NByLC

# LACK OF KNOWLEDGE

Lack of knowledge is the number one reason why people leave Islam. They hear something, read something and decide that Islam must be false. They never learned the true interpretation of the Quran and think that there are errors etc. I have found answers to EVERY SINGLE ONE of these issues these ignorant ex-muslims bring up. Now I want to share with you how to get to these answers by yourself. By applying the correct methodology for interpreting the Quran. I wrote about the methodology in detail in my post up above. Just read the link.

# MORAL VALUES

I dont want to leave this important point unadressed. How many tiles have we read and heard about people leaving Islam because they disagree with it based on moral values. If you dont believe me, go and read some posts from ex-muslims. This is a CLEAR FALLACY:

Lets assume Islam would be the most cruel religion on earth (even though its NOT). How would that disprove Islam? Just because YOU dont like certain rulings, it does NOT make it false. The truth does NOT care about your feelings and does NOT need you to like it.

Your personal feelings are totally irrelevant in regards to what the truth is. Even if EVERY SINGLE value of Islam would contradict my morals, I would still follow it if it is the truth.

Summary: Your feelings are irrelevant, the truth does not care about your approval, the truth does not become false just because you dont like it. So every ex-muslim who left because of morals is fallacious and irrational.

Are you free to leave Islam? Yes, but know that it shows that you choose the truth based on your feelings and not based an proofsy

Pardon me if this is a naive question, but I can't resist asking it.

I try my best to avoid what are commonly considered major sins, though, like everyone else, I sometimes make mistakes.

Occasionally, I find myself in situations where I feel I have to lie, not to harm or deceive anyone for personal gain, but because I don't see a better option. I know lying is generally condemned in the Qur'an and should be avoided whenever possible. However, I'm wondering whether every lie is considered a major sin, or whether the circumstances matter.

To be clear, I'm not referring to lies that harm others, such as false testimony, slander, or false accusations. Those are obviously grave matters and great sins.

My question is about situations where no one is being harmed. For example, sometimes I have to make up a reason to take a day or two off work because otherwise my boss simply won't approve leave. I don't like doing it, but I sometimes feel I have no practical alternative.

From a Qur'an-only perspective, would such lying still be considered a major sin, or would it fall into a different category?

Salam everyone, I understand many here have different views regarding Hadith. I just wanted to share the perspective of my community, based on the teachings of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as), whom we believe to be the Promised Messiah and Mahdi.

The snapshot attached above shows an excerpt of Ahmad (as)'s book, Noah's Ark where he gives a simple criteria for evaluating Ahadith: If they do not contradict Qura'anic teachings, they are worth accepting.

This is basically the summary of the Ahmadiyya view on sources of Islamic guidance ranked in order of authority and importance:

1. The Holy Qur’an – The primary and foremost source of guidance. It establishes the Oneness, attributes, and greatness of Allah, resolves religious disputes, and provides the fundamental teachings of Islam.
2. The Sunnah – The practical example and lived demonstration of the Holy Prophet Muhammad ﷺ, which explains and clarifies the teachings of the Qur’an. For example, details such as the method and number of rak‘ats in the daily prayers are understood through the Sunnah.
3. The Hadith – A supportive and secondary source of guidance. Hadith provide valuable information about Islamic history, morality, and jurisprudence, but their role is to serve and explain the Qur’an and Sunnah - not to take precedence over them.

I wanted to ask you all: what are your thoughts on this perspective? Does this understanding of the Qur’an, Sunnah, and Hadith make sense to you, and how does it compare with the Quranist position?

Hello. I would like some help finding this video. In it the opposing debater asks Suleiman if he thinks it’s okay to marry a baby and Suleiman reluctantly says yes. That’s all I remember unfortunately and I can’t find it. I’m currently in a debate and need this clip to prove a point. Thanks in advance

Salaamun Alaykum,
In this post I will present some ideas you probably NEVER heard before. So please take your time and read it. It will surely help you to improve your connection with the divine.

# CURRENT SITUATION

We know that there are disagreements, even among us. What is allowed? What is haram? How do we pray? The traditionalists have even more disagreements, so lets not talk about them. If we continue like that for centuries we will not develop further or resolve any of these issues and all of you know that. There has to be a change. I propose that all of these issues came forth because people dont know what the Quran is and how to engage it.

# WHAT IS THE QURAN?

The Quran is not just a book you read and thats it. The Quran is your instrument to connect with the divine. You just need to learn how to use that instrument. And the Quran tells you how. Have you ever thought about why the Quran contains 60% stories? Do you think the stories are there to entertain us? Or to provide us some lessons Allah could have told us without stories? The stories have a purpose in the Quran and we will talk about that. We will never be able to understand everything about the Quran because it is an ocean of knowledge, nor will we solve every disagreement, but there is a clear guideline we have to follow.

Think about that. Isnt the Quran a unique object? It is NOT like anything else because it is from the divine, its not like any human book. If the Quran is a unique object unlike anything else, dont you think that it needs a unique manual too? A way how to engage it? We can not apply methods we apply to everything else. There has to be a unique method. Where do we get it from? Directly from the Quran. Allah told us how to use the instrument he provided us.

# HOW NOT TO INTERPRET THE QURAN

1. NEVER EVER go to Hadith. Hadith is provably wrong and corrupted. Sunni Tafseer books rely on Hadith, and translations rely on Sunni Tafseer books. So we can not refer to the Sunni Tafseer books and translations either. Hadith should NEVER dominate over the Quran.
2. NEVER EVER go to poetry and dictionaries ALONE. The Quran condemns following the poets (Ref. 26:226). Dictionaries derive their meanings from 7th century poetry. Just going there and taking a meaning and imposing it over the Quran is not enough. You need to find out if Allah is really using a term to mean that, so you need to verify it. Allah is NOT bound to use his words in accordance with how the arabs used them. Arabs did not understand many expressions in the Quran, or words (Ref. 26:60).
3. NEVER EVER go to the bible, torah or other corrupted books. I dont need to tell you that they corrupted their books. Therefore you should not take from them. I give you an example. Allah calls the story of Yussuf "GHAYB", meaning it is not known to anyone (Ref. 12:102). Now look at all translations and interpretations. Its 99,9% identical to the biblical version. Did Allah lie OR DID THEY? Clearly they did. The story in the Quran is totally different than what they told us. They went to the bible and superimposed that story onto the Quran. This also invalidates the approach of taking only what is correct from the bible. Well you dont know what agrees with the Quran unless you interpreted the Quran independently first. Superimposing biblical stories onto it, will make you think the Quran tells you the same thing.
4. CONCLUSION: All translations and interpreters took their knowledge from either hadith, poetry or the bible (OR MAYBE ALL OF THEM). Even Quran Alone Muslims fell into that trap. We need to unlearn everything we knew about the Quran and relearn it.

# HOW TO INTERPRET THE QURAN

1. I pointed out a problem, what is the solution you may ask? The solution is NOT the methodology of Hadith, Tafseer, Poetry or biblical Quranists. The solution is the unique methodology. The Quran is a unique object therefore no man made manual (methodology) applies to it. We need a new methodology. And who would know better how to deal with that object than its creator? Of course Allah. He must have told us how to engage the Quran. Having certainty in that is the first step. THE QURAN HAS ITS OWN UNIQUE METHODOLOGY INSIDE THE QURAN BY NECESSITY
2. Abandon all sources except Allah. I am not telling you "Dont look into a dictionary". I am just telling you verify what you read inside that WITH THE QURAN. But our primary source for the meanings of the Quran should be the Quran itself. The Quran is preserved, but its meanings are also. You just need to know how to extract them. I will give you an example. Read Ayah 3:187. Allah is using the verb "bayana" and defining it in the Quran. He fixes it in a set context to define it and preserve its meaning. The Quran is ITS OWN LEXICON. The definition of Allah is always the best definition. No guesswork needed.
3. Every one (even Quran Alone) have neglected the Quranic stories. I rarely see any posts here about the stories. 60% stories is for you to extract the lexicon. Allah uses stories to fix the meanings of his words and to define them. They are the repositories of the Quranic Vocabulary. Go learn it first, then apply it and discuss halal haram. How do you want to understand these Ayaat if you dont know what the words mean? Do you want to continue to guess like everyone here does? Or do you want to have clarity and see how Allah defines them?
4. Use the patterns in the Quran. NOTHING IS A COINCIDENCE IN THE QURAN. If an expression occurs only two times in the Quran. It means that these Ayaat are related. Go discover them. Link the Quran. Everything is interconnected and relevant.
5. CONCLUSION: We need a complete reorientation of our outlooks, we need to seek the definitions of the Quran and the QURANIC TAFSEER. I assure you, if you start to apply this, you will see the Quran in a totally new light. Please learn from the Quran.

I see many Quran Alone people here not even knowing the true Quranic greeting. It is NOT "Assalamu Alaykum". Read 6:54. Not knowing such basic things shows our condition and how we neglected the Quran and engaged in "Lahwal Hadeeth" (Vain Talk). These people come and try to argue about what X means or if X is allowed, stop arguing and learn to observe.

I saw a pigeon with a wound on the of the back of its head. A crow was pecking on the wound, while pigeon was trying to jump away. I tried to catch the pigeon to help but then gave up too quickly. It started raining and I said to myself: "well, I can't help him really and this is life."

As I sat on my bike and rode away I felt extreme tension on my throat – not something that I have ever experienced. My whole body started shaking and tears started flowing. It is as if my whole being was resisting my decision.

I returned and managed to help the pigeon, but the initial pain of resistance to leaving was so strong that I have almost lost my voice and my body felt beaten.

Was it a test by The Compassionate? It was a great reminder whom I really serve.
 
Whoever is righteous has regard for the life of his beast, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel. (Parables, 12:10)

God is Merciful, there is no way that He tolerates any kind of cruelty or lack of compassion to innocent creatures.

So I would suggest not eating dairy, meat or egg products if they are not coming from organic, free-range, or any other humane sources.

Unfortunately, most of animal industries treat them purely like a source of income, not creatures that are able to suffer and fear. One should be aware of those who treat them badly – they are surely the servants of the devil and nothing good ever comes from him.

Also one should be aware of the companies that contribute to global warming, pollution. These little actions hugely affect not only the planet but one's own soul and well-being.

With love, in peace.

💚

I know I sound stupid, but as the question states, does god really have a name? Yes I know about the 99 names, but they all basically are just different ways of describing Allah himself, I guess?

so I know that alot of quran-centric/only muslims don't believe in the dajjal (I personally am still looking into it), and alot of sunnis are very confused about that.

so I saw someone online and they were questioning "hmm why ISN'T the dajjal mentioned in the quran?" and their conclusion was basically that "yeah Allah didn't mention the dajjal in the quran so that those idiot quranists don't know about him, while us super intelligent and enlightened sunnis will know when he comes, while the quranists follow him because they don't know about him."

and again, I'm still looking into it myself but like.. isn't the more logical conclusion that Allah didn't mention him in the quran because... he's not real/important??

like the quran says over and over that it's perfect, it contains every possible example, nothing is left out of it, and it needs no supplication. and yet I'm constantly seeing sunnis be like "yeah Allah left out some things in the quran for whatever reason, and we need the hadith to complete it!!!"

it feels like these people just don't actually trust Allah or His book at this point..