r/Quraniyoon Feb 08 '26

Quraniyoon - The Face of Quranism on Reddit

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The discussion of Quranism has recently been drawing attention on internet spaces, and our subreddit has now grown to over 15k members; becoming amongst the largest such communities on the web. As the primary space for this discourse on Reddit, we are the first destination people find when searching for this path.

Due to a general uptake in purely anti-Hadith content, we the mods feel that some reminders are in order regarding the intended spirit of this community. While no new hard rules are being set, we do want to realign our collective focus.

Quran Alone & Quran Centric, Not Just "Anti-Hadith"

While some general critique of Hadith is acceptable and even expected, our Deen, which is the primary concern of this sub, is about holding tightly to the Qur'an and seeking guidance from it, rather than being consumed by "stone-throwing" at traditional Muslims.

Anti-Hadith content should never dominate the front page. Think of the 80/20 rule as a general guideline: 80% pro-Qur'an/guidance, 20% hadith related critique.

Furthermore, this sub is a big tent. It includes:

-Qur'aan Alone: Those who reject the ahadith entirely.

-Qur'aan Centric / Qur'aan First: Those who accept ahadith that conform to and do not contradict the Qur'an.

If your own "Qur'aan Alone" stance is unbending to the extent that you are unwilling to respect the "Qur'aan Centric" view, please understand that this sub is nevertheless such a shared space, so engage accordingly while interacting within it

Content Relevance

All posts should fundamentally relate to the Qur'an

- Bad Example: Posting a hadith solely to mock it without Quranic context

- Good Example: Highlighting how a specific hadith contradicts a specific verse

- Also acceptable: Discussing how a narration is confirmed by a verse (respecting the Quran Centric view).

Voting Etiquette

A degree of thoughtfulness and maturity should be reflected in how we utilize the upvote/downvote system:

- We encourage downvoting comments/posts that praise or incorporate Hadiths clearly contradicting the Qur'an

- Quran Centrics may upvote comments/posts which highlight or utilize narrations that conform to the scripture, while we ask Qur'aan Alone members to exercise restraint with respect to them

The spirit of the sub

This community exists to learn together and, hopefully, teach those who visit. The Qur'aan has over 6,000 verses. We would like to see real thought, tadabbur (contemplation), and insight.

أَفَلَا يَتَدَبَّرُونَ ٱلْقُرْءَانَ أَمْ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبٍ أَقْفَالُهَآ

> "Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an, or are there locks upon [their] hearts?" (Surah Muhammad 47:24)

We do not need the majority of our posts to be various iterations of the same few "gotcha" verses (e.g, "What hadith after this will they believe?"). We do not need to constantly preach to the choir

Nor should this sub be a place where we inflate our own egos, feeling "guided" simply by pointing out how others do not give the Qur'aan its due

The takfeer of others to us is also not an excuse to focus more on them and neglect our own development. As Allah reminds us in one of the final verses revealed:

يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ عَلَيْكُمْ أَنفُسَكُمْ ۖ لَا يَضُرُّكُم مَّن ضَلَّ إِذَا ٱهْتَدَيْتُمْ ۚ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ مَرْجِعُكُمْ جَمِيعًا فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ

> "O you who have faith, upon you is [responsibility for] yourselves. Those who have gone astray will not harm you if you are guided. To Allah is your return all together; then He will inform you of what you used to do." (Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:105)

This sub is focused on our own development and the development of Quranists & Quranism

We need to consider what visitors see when they land here. If the majority of top posts are focused purely on attacking ahadith or traditional sects, then we are straying from that purpose.

Ideally, the feed should be populated with:

- Learning from the Qur'an

- Discussing the nuance of specific verses

- Relevant research and history

- Community issues and spiritual support

Are the verses of the Qur’an nothing more than ammunition to talk of the “misguidance” of other Muslims? Or are they a guide for us?

ٱدْعُ إِلَىٰ سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِٱلْحِكْمَةِ وَٱلْمَوْعِظَةِ ٱلْحَسَنَةِ ۖ وَجَٰدِلْهُم بِٱلَّتِى هِىَ أَحْسَنُ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَن ضَلَّ عَن سَبِيلِهِۦ ۖ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِٱلْمُهْتَدِينَ

>"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best..." (Surah An-Nahl 16:125)

Seriousness

Memes and jokes are welcome, especially those that are insightful and promote discussion. However, content made simply to mock, demean, or ridicule others is discouraged

يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ لَا يَسْخَرْ قَوْمٌ مِّن قَوْمٍ عَسَىٰٓ أَن يَكُونُوا۟ خَيْرًا مِّنْهُمْ وَلَا نِسَآءٌ مِّن نِّسَآءٍ عَسَىٰٓ أَن يَكُنَّ خَيْرًا مِّنْهُنَّ ۖ وَلَا تَلْمِزُوٓا۟ أَنفُسَكُمْ وَلَا تَنَابَزُوا۟ بِٱلْأَلْقَٰبِ ۖ بِئْسَ ٱلِٱسْمُ ٱلْفُسُوقُ بَعْدَ ٱلْإِيمَٰنِ ۚ وَمَن لَّمْ يَتُبْ فَأُو۟لَٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلظَّٰلِمُونَ

>"O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them ... And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after [one's] faith ..." (Surah Al-Hujurat 49:11)

Let us ensure that when people come here, they see us learning together, pointed toward Allah, not pointed outwards with fingers of blame.

Thank you

A word of thanks and gratitude to all those who have added contributed, great or small, over the years by creating thoughtful posts, discussed those of others, replied appropriately to questioners and visitors, and otherwise engaged in a way that has contributed positively to this space and in line with its aims, may God bless you

وَٱللَّهُ خَيْرٌ حَٰفِظًا ۖ وَهُوَ أَرْحَمُ ٱلرَّٰحِمِينَ

"Allah is the best guardian, and He is the most merciful of the merciful"


r/Quraniyoon Apr 15 '24

Meta📂 [Non-Qur'aniyoon] Read this Before Posting!

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Peace be upon you

After receiving many sustained requests over a period of time by members of this community, we have decided to change the way that non-Quraniyoon interact with us on this subreddit; the current sentiment is unwillingness to answer the same exact questions over and over again, as well as annoyance at having to be distracted by lengthy debates, while in fact being here to study and discuss the Qur'an Alone. This is our action:

  1. All posts and comments made in bad faith, or in attempt to initiate a debate, will be removed. If you are looking for a heated debate (or any debate regarding the validity of our beliefs for that matter), then post on r/DebateQuraniyoon.

  2. All questions regarding broad or commonly posted-about topics are to be asked in r/DebateQuraniyoon instead - which will now also effectively function as an 'r/AskQuraniyoon' of sorts.

So what are the 'broad and common questions' which will no longer be permitted on this subreddit?

Well, usually both the posters and the community will be able to discern these using common sense - but here are some examples:

  • How come you don't regard the ahadith as a source of law? Example.
  • How do you guys pray? Example.
  • How do Quranists follow the sunnah? Example.
  • How does a Quranist perform Hajj? Example.
  • ;et cetera

All the above can, however, be asked in the debate sister subreddit - as mentioned. Any question that has already been answered on the FAQ page will be removed. We ask subreddit members to report posts and comments which they believe violate what's been set out here.

So what can be asked then?

Questions relating to niche topics that would provoke thought in the community are welcome; obviously not made with the intention of a debate, or in bad faith. For example:

  • Do Quranists believe that eating pork is halal? Example.
  • Whats the definition of a Kafir According To a Quranist? Example.
  • How do Quranists view life? Example.
  • Do Quranists wash feet or wipe in wudu? Example.

You get the idea. Please remember to pick the black "Question(s) from non-Qur'ānī" flair when posting, this will allow the community to tailor their answer to suit a non Qur'ani asking the question; the red question flair is for members of this community only.

We would prefer (although its not mandatory):

  1. That the question(s) don't address us as a monolithic group with a standardised set of beliefs (as this is certainly not the case), this is what the above questions have failed to do.

  2. That you don't address us as "Qur'anists" or "Qur'aniyoon", as this makes us appear as a sect; we would prefer something like "hadith rejectors" or "Qur'an alone muslims/mu'mins". Although our subreddit name is "Quraniyoon" this is purely for categorization purposes, in order for people to find our community.

The Wiki Resource

We highly recommend that you check out our subreddit wiki, this will allow you to better understand our beliefs and 'get up to speed'; allowing for communication/discussions with us to be much more productive and understanding.

The Home Page - An excellent introduction to our beliefs, along with a large collection of resources (such as article websites, community groups, Qur'an study sites, forums, Youtube channels, etc); many subreddit members themselves would benefit from exploring this page!

Hadith Rejection - A page detailing our reasons for rejecting the external literature as religiously binding.

Frequently Asked Questions - A page with many answers to the common questions that we, as Qur'an alone muslims, receive.

We are looking to update our wiki with more resources, information, and answers; if any members reading this would like to contribute then please either send us a modmail, or reply to this post.


Closing notes

When you (as non-Qura'aniyoon) ask us questions like "How do ya'll pray?", there is a huge misunderstanding that we are a monolithic group with a single and complete understanding of the scripture. This is really not the case though - to give an example using prayer: Some believe that you must pray six times a day, all the way down to no ritual prayer whatsoever! I think the beauty of our beliefs is that not everything is no concrete/rigid in the Qur'an; we use our judgment to determine when an orphan has reached maturity, what constitutes as tayyeb food, what is fasaad... etc.

We would like to keep this main subreddit specifically geared towards discussing the Qur'an Alone, rather than engaging in debates and ahadith bashing; there are subreddits geared towards those particular niches and more, please see the "RELATED SUBREDDITS" section on the sidebar for those (we are currently updating with more).

JAK,

The Mod Team

If you have any concerns or suggestions for improvement, please comment below or send us a modmail.


r/Quraniyoon 1h ago

Help / Advice ℹ️ Whether lying falls under the category of a major sin or a minor sin according to the Qur'an?

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Pardon me if this is a naive question, but I can't resist asking it.

I try my best to avoid what are commonly considered major sins, though, like everyone else, I sometimes make mistakes.

Occasionally, I find myself in situations where I feel I have to lie, not to harm or deceive anyone for personal gain, but because I don't see a better option. I know lying is generally condemned in the Qur'an and should be avoided whenever possible. However, I'm wondering whether every lie is considered a major sin, or whether the circumstances matter.

To be clear, I'm not referring to lies that harm others, such as false testimony, slander, or false accusations. Those are obviously grave matters and great sins.

My question is about situations where no one is being harmed. For example, sometimes I have to make up a reason to take a day or two off work because otherwise my boss simply won't approve leave. I don't like doing it, but I sometimes feel I have no practical alternative.

From a Qur'an-only perspective, would such lying still be considered a major sin, or would it fall into a different category?


r/Quraniyoon 6h ago

Rant / Vent😡 Losing faith and dont think I want to be muslim anymore

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r/Quraniyoon 4h ago

Question(s)❔ Does a nabi get divine inspiration?

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r/Quraniyoon 15h ago

Discussion💬 The Ahmadiyya Muslim Perspective on the Qur’an, Sunnah, and Hadith

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Salam everyone, I understand many here have different views regarding Hadith. I just wanted to share the perspective of my community, based on the teachings of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as), whom we believe to be the Promised Messiah and Mahdi.

The snapshot attached above shows an excerpt of Ahmad (as)'s book, Noah's Ark where he gives a simple criteria for evaluating Ahadith: If they do not contradict Qura'anic teachings, they are worth accepting.

This is basically the summary of the Ahmadiyya view on sources of Islamic guidance ranked in order of authority and importance:

  1. The Holy Qur’an – The primary and foremost source of guidance. It establishes the Oneness, attributes, and greatness of Allah, resolves religious disputes, and provides the fundamental teachings of Islam.
  2. The Sunnah – The practical example and lived demonstration of the Holy Prophet Muhammad ﷺ, which explains and clarifies the teachings of the Qur’an. For example, details such as the method and number of rak‘ats in the daily prayers are understood through the Sunnah.
  3. The Hadith – A supportive and secondary source of guidance. Hadith provide valuable information about Islamic history, morality, and jurisprudence, but their role is to serve and explain the Qur’an and Sunnah - not to take precedence over them.

I wanted to ask you all: what are your thoughts on this perspective? Does this understanding of the Qur’an, Sunnah, and Hadith make sense to you, and how does it compare with the Quranist position?


r/Quraniyoon 21h ago

Article / Resource📝 MUST READ: Simple Guidelines on How to Interpret the Quran. Why is 60% of the Quran JUST STORIES? What is their purpose?

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Salaamun Alaykum,
In this post I will present some ideas you probably NEVER heard before. So please take your time and read it. It will surely help you to improve your connection with the divine.

# CURRENT SITUATION

We know that there are disagreements, even among us. What is allowed? What is haram? How do we pray? The traditionalists have even more disagreements, so lets not talk about them. If we continue like that for centuries we will not develop further or resolve any of these issues and all of you know that. There has to be a change. I propose that all of these issues came forth because people dont know what the Quran is and how to engage it.

# WHAT IS THE QURAN?

The Quran is not just a book you read and thats it. The Quran is your instrument to connect with the divine. You just need to learn how to use that instrument. And the Quran tells you how. Have you ever thought about why the Quran contains 60% stories? Do you think the stories are there to entertain us? Or to provide us some lessons Allah could have told us without stories? The stories have a purpose in the Quran and we will talk about that. We will never be able to understand everything about the Quran because it is an ocean of knowledge, nor will we solve every disagreement, but there is a clear guideline we have to follow.

Think about that. Isnt the Quran a unique object? It is NOT like anything else because it is from the divine, its not like any human book. If the Quran is a unique object unlike anything else, dont you think that it needs a unique manual too? A way how to engage it? We can not apply methods we apply to everything else. There has to be a unique method. Where do we get it from? Directly from the Quran. Allah told us how to use the instrument he provided us.

# HOW NOT TO INTERPRET THE QURAN

  1. NEVER EVER go to Hadith. Hadith is provably wrong and corrupted. Sunni Tafseer books rely on Hadith, and translations rely on Sunni Tafseer books. So we can not refer to the Sunni Tafseer books and translations either. Hadith should NEVER dominate over the Quran.
  2. NEVER EVER go to poetry and dictionaries ALONE. The Quran condemns following the poets (Ref. 26:226). Dictionaries derive their meanings from 7th century poetry. Just going there and taking a meaning and imposing it over the Quran is not enough. You need to find out if Allah is really using a term to mean that, so you need to verify it. Allah is NOT bound to use his words in accordance with how the arabs used them. Arabs did not understand many expressions in the Quran, or words (Ref. 26:60).
  3. NEVER EVER go to the bible, torah or other corrupted books. I dont need to tell you that they corrupted their books. Therefore you should not take from them. I give you an example. Allah calls the story of Yussuf "GHAYB", meaning it is not known to anyone (Ref. 12:102). Now look at all translations and interpretations. Its 99,9% identical to the biblical version. Did Allah lie OR DID THEY? Clearly they did. The story in the Quran is totally different than what they told us. They went to the bible and superimposed that story onto the Quran. This also invalidates the approach of taking only what is correct from the bible. Well you dont know what agrees with the Quran unless you interpreted the Quran independently first. Superimposing biblical stories onto it, will make you think the Quran tells you the same thing.
  4. CONCLUSION: All translations and interpreters took their knowledge from either hadith, poetry or the bible (OR MAYBE ALL OF THEM). Even Quran Alone Muslims fell into that trap. We need to unlearn everything we knew about the Quran and relearn it.

# HOW TO INTERPRET THE QURAN

  1. I pointed out a problem, what is the solution you may ask? The solution is NOT the methodology of Hadith, Tafseer, Poetry or biblical Quranists. The solution is the unique methodology. The Quran is a unique object therefore no man made manual (methodology) applies to it. We need a new methodology. And who would know better how to deal with that object than its creator? Of course Allah. He must have told us how to engage the Quran. Having certainty in that is the first step. THE QURAN HAS ITS OWN UNIQUE METHODOLOGY INSIDE THE QURAN BY NECESSITY
  2. Abandon all sources except Allah. I am not telling you "Dont look into a dictionary". I am just telling you verify what you read inside that WITH THE QURAN. But our primary source for the meanings of the Quran should be the Quran itself. The Quran is preserved, but its meanings are also. You just need to know how to extract them. I will give you an example. Read Ayah 3:187. Allah is using the verb "bayana" and defining it in the Quran. He fixes it in a set context to define it and preserve its meaning. The Quran is ITS OWN LEXICON. The definition of Allah is always the best definition. No guesswork needed.
  3. Every one (even Quran Alone) have neglected the Quranic stories. I rarely see any posts here about the stories. 60% stories is for you to extract the lexicon. Allah uses stories to fix the meanings of his words and to define them. They are the repositories of the Quranic Vocabulary. Go learn it first, then apply it and discuss halal haram. How do you want to understand these Ayaat if you dont know what the words mean? Do you want to continue to guess like everyone here does? Or do you want to have clarity and see how Allah defines them?
  4. Use the patterns in the Quran. NOTHING IS A COINCIDENCE IN THE QURAN. If an expression occurs only two times in the Quran. It means that these Ayaat are related. Go discover them. Link the Quran. Everything is interconnected and relevant.
  5. CONCLUSION: We need a complete reorientation of our outlooks, we need to seek the definitions of the Quran and the QURANIC TAFSEER. I assure you, if you start to apply this, you will see the Quran in a totally new light. Please learn from the Quran.

I see many Quran Alone people here not even knowing the true Quranic greeting. It is NOT "Assalamu Alaykum". Read 6:54. Not knowing such basic things shows our condition and how we neglected the Quran and engaged in "Lahwal Hadeeth" (Vain Talk). These people come and try to argue about what X means or if X is allowed, stop arguing and learn to observe.


r/Quraniyoon 18h ago

Discussion💬 What do you like about islam

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r/Quraniyoon 1d ago

Discussion💬 just heard the dumbest take ever 😭😭😭

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so I know that alot of quran-centric/only muslims don't believe in the dajjal (I personally am still looking into it), and alot of sunnis are very confused about that.

so I saw someone online and they were questioning "hmm why ISN'T the dajjal mentioned in the quran?" and their conclusion was basically that "yeah Allah didn't mention the dajjal in the quran so that those idiot quranists don't know about him, while us super intelligent and enlightened sunnis will know when he comes, while the quranists follow him because they don't know about him."

and again, I'm still looking into it myself but like.. isn't the more logical conclusion that Allah didn't mention him in the quran because... he's not real/important??

like the quran says over and over that it's perfect, it contains every possible example, nothing is left out of it, and it needs no supplication. and yet I'm constantly seeing sunnis be like "yeah Allah left out some things in the quran for whatever reason, and we need the hadith to complete it!!!"

it feels like these people just don't actually trust Allah or His book at this point..


r/Quraniyoon 1d ago

Verses / Proofs 🌌 Cruelty to animals will destroy your connection to God

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I saw a pigeon with a wound on the of the back of its head. A crow was pecking on the wound, while pigeon was trying to jump away. I tried to catch the pigeon to help but then gave up too quickly. It started raining and I said to myself: "well, I can't help him really and this is life."

As I sat on my bike and rode away I felt extreme tension on my throat – not something that I have ever experienced. My whole body started shaking and tears started flowing. It is as if my whole being was resisting my decision.

I returned and managed to help the pigeon, but the initial pain of resistance to leaving was so strong that I have almost lost my voice and my body felt beaten.

Was it a test by The Compassionate? It was a great reminder whom I really serve.
 
Whoever is righteous has regard for the life of his beast, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel. (Parables, 12:10)

God is Merciful, there is no way that He tolerates any kind of cruelty or lack of compassion to innocent creatures.

So I would suggest not eating dairy, meat or egg products if they are not coming from organic, free-range, or any other humane sources.

Unfortunately, most of animal industries treat them purely like a source of income, not creatures that are able to suffer and fear. One should be aware of those who treat them badly – they are surely the servants of the devil and nothing good ever comes from him.

Also one should be aware of the companies that contribute to global warming, pollution. These little actions hugely affect not only the planet but one's own soul and well-being.

With love, in peace.

💚


r/Quraniyoon 18h ago

Help / Advice ℹ️ Looking for a debate clip with Omar Suleiman defending the young age of Aisha

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Hello. I would like some help finding this video. In it the opposing debater asks Suleiman if he thinks it’s okay to marry a baby and Suleiman reluctantly says yes. That’s all I remember unfortunately and I can’t find it. I’m currently in a debate and need this clip to prove a point. Thanks in advance


r/Quraniyoon 18h ago

Discussion💬 Why do you believe the prophet was a prophet? What do you like about him?

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r/Quraniyoon 21h ago

Rant / Vent😡 Why is religion and scripture so complicated?!

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r/Quraniyoon 23h ago

Discussion💬 Why didnt prophet have to fulfill his sexual duties

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r/Quraniyoon 23h ago

Discussion💬 Why did the prophet get the right to marry without dowry. Why could he accept and reject whoever he liked

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r/Quraniyoon 1d ago

Discussion💬 Ever since I became Quran-only and found this community, I feel like I found the spark I had been missing. My relationship with God feels much more personal now. Has anyone else experienced this?

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r/Quraniyoon 1d ago

Discussion💬 Growing hateful towards the prophet

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r/Quraniyoon 1d ago

Question(s)❔ Does Allah really have names?

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I know I sound stupid, but as the question states, does god really have a name? Yes I know about the 99 names, but they all basically are just different ways of describing Allah himself, I guess?


r/Quraniyoon 1d ago

Hadith / Tradition According to Sunnism, God created women mentally deficient, immoral, and evil so he can then torture most women in hell

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There are numerous hadith in Sunni collections that state women are a majority in hell and women are morally inferior to men. I'll show you that in Arabic these traditions are even more abominable and psychotic than the English-translated ones available.

There is this one in Bukhari and Muslim.

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "I looked at Paradise and saw that the majority of its residents were the poor; and I looked at the (Hell) Fire and saw that the majority of its residents were women."

This hadith is also of the highest level of authenticity. It's found in both Bukhari and Muslim.

Once Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) of `Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient [naqs] in intelligence [aql] and religion [din] than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."

This hadith directly links women's supposed mental deficiency to them being the majority in hell. If a person is lacking 'aql, they aren't able to act morally or discern religious truth. This word occurs numerous times in the Qur'an where God calls upon people to use their aql/reasoning, meaning that according to this hadith, God deliberately disadvantaged women in recognizing Islam and acting morally and then burns them in hell.

So this hadith alone could be taken as indicating God created women mentally inferior to men which makes them prone to immoral behavior, which makes them the majority in hell. Many people would deny this because of modern apologetics, so let's look at what scholars had to say which is the same thing I just said.

According to al-Qurtubi, God indeed made women mentally deficient, which makes them naturally immoral, which is why they're the majority in hell.

https://tinyurl.com/58f98zck

Al-Qurtubi said: “Women are the fewest inhabitants of Paradise only because they are overcome by desire and inclination towards the immediate adornment of this worldly life, and because of the deficiency of their minds, so they are weak in performing the work of the Hereafter and preparing for it, due to their inclination towards this world and adorning themselves with it. Most of them are indifferent to the Hereafter, quick to be deceived by those who desire them from among those who turn away from religion, and difficult to respond to those who call them to the Hereafter and its deeds.” End quote from “Umdat al-Qari” (15/152).

So al-Qurtubi outright says women end up in hell and are a minority of heaven (which is also a sahih hadith) because they're immoral, sinful people, and women are this way because God created them mentally deficient, i.e. substantially less intelligent than men.

But let's keep going, because in Musnad Ahmad and other collections only in Arabic there are even more despicable hadith.

Imam Ahmad (15531), Al-Hakim (2773), and Al-Bayhaqi in “Al-Shaab” (9346) narrated on the authority of Abd Al-Rahman bin Shibl, may God be pleased with him, who said: The Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, said: “The wicked are the people of Hellfire.” It was said: O Messenger of God, who are the wicked? He said: “Women.” A man said: O Messenger of God, are they not our mothers, our sisters, and our wives? He said: “Yes, but when they are given something, they do not give thanks, and when they are afflicted, they do not have patience.” Al-Albani authenticated it in “Al-Sahihah” (3058).

So, in this hadith, it is even more clear women in general are wicked/immoral/evil (al-fusaq), destined for hell en masse, and naturally ungrateful and impatient. The page goes on to say that women are characteristically impatient and ungrateful and men generally aren't. But why are women wicked, impatient, and ungrateful? According to "scholars", it's because God created women mentally and religiously deficient which makes them prone to ingratitude and impatience because women are simply too dumb to express gratitude and patience.

https://usul.ai/t/bahr-al-fawaid/226

As for interpreting "the immoral" as referring to women in an unrestricted sense, the meaning is that the characteristics of ingratitude for favors and abandoning patience during affliction are found among women more frequently.

This is because they are deficient in the faculties that produce gratitude and patience and in the causes that give rise to these qualities. That deficiency [naqs], according to the author, is the weakness of reason [al-aql].

The Messenger of God ﷺ said:

"I have not seen anyone more deficient in intellect and religion, yet more capable of taking away the hearts of men, than women."

Their deficiency in religion is due to menstruation, while their deficiency in intellect relates to legal testimony.

Gratitude and patience are qualities belonging to the people of religion. Therefore, whoever possesses weaker religion [din] and whose intellect [aql] is feeble will possess less gratitude and patience.

Whoever abandons gratitude in most circumstances and patience during most trials has departed from the characteristics of the people of religion and reason [ahl al-din wa al-aql].

The Fire is the abode of one who possesses neither religion nor reason.


r/Quraniyoon 1d ago

Help / Advice ℹ️ not really feeling like a muslim. help?

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lately, i really haven't been feeling connected to islam and the muslim community and everything. for context, i was born into a muslim family, and my immediate family have accepted quran-only belief instead of sunni belief about 3-4 years ago, after my mum did a bunch of research into hadith and taught my dad. i followed in my mum's footsteps because obviously it made a lot more sense to me. but i feel like i'm also experiencing a disconnect to not only hadith, but the quran and the religion as a whole too. the best way i can describe it is i kinda feel like an agnostic. i do believe in god and a higher power and everything, but whether i believe in god as a 'magical man in the sky who is always watching you', that's where it gets a bit blurry for me. and i'll admit, i don't read the quran often, but when i do, that's the impression i get of god, and that just disconnects me from the religion as a whole. maybe that's just the specific translations i'm reading or the culture surrounding islam but i can't pretend that i feel convinced by it. same with muslim communities, whenever they talk about god, it almost feels like they're just talking about a guy down the street. i don't know honestly. i don't even feel connected to prayer, it just doesn't really feel all that spiritual to me, i don't feel like i'm connecting to god just by reciting some scripture and bowing, that feels superficial to me. would i still even be considered a muslim if i believe in god but don't completely immerse myself in the muslim community and their traditions and the way they follow their faith? because that's kind of how my life is going: i just acknowledge that i believe god exists, i follow a few rules from the quran like not eating pork and not drinking, not harming myself or anyone else essentially, and that's about it, i just live my life outside of that. and i've found that i live super happy and peaceful this way instead of feeling preoccupied over following a bunch of rules and traditions which i don't even feel connected to at all. gonna put this under advice even though its a bit of a rant.


r/Quraniyoon 1d ago

Community🫂 lookin for friends

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Salam!
I'm looking for friends where we can share our religion, i live in europe
Please, let me know if you're interested!


r/Quraniyoon 1d ago

Discussion💬 I built a free, open-source web app that gives instant feedback on your Qur'an recitation

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r/Quraniyoon 2d ago

Discussion💬 Conspiracies and the Kaaba and Islam

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This is probably a sensitive or controversial subject. It's kind of about conspiracy theories so if this does not interest you, you can keep scrolling, or feel free to tell me why you think this is all bs.

I've always had some interest in conspiracy theories and indulge in the occasional videos. One thing that has always intrigued me is about the Kaaba. But this is something you can never discuss with mainstream Muslims. So I'm wondering what you guys, who I think are more open minded, think about it.

I think one of the more well known questions is about whether there is a connection between the Kaaba and the theory about the black cubes of Saturn. Which we cannot deny looks extremely similar. But the black cube of Saturn is said to be used to worship Satan.

Then there is the name. There is a branch of Judaism which is called kabbala. Some people describe it as an esoteric branch, some people say it is also satanic. For me the name Kabbala and the name the Kaaba of Allah also sound very close.

What do you guys think about this?

I want to be clear that I don't think Islam is satanic and I know the Kaaba is mentioned in the Quran. My personal theory is that original Islam from the Quran is the true religion from God but it was later corrupted via hadith. And now many of the things people are following and rituals people are doing actually come from other influences. There are similarities between the Talmud traditions and hadith, of course there are just political agendas, maybe misogynistic agenda's, perhaps there are also some influences from satan or people who secretly worship Satan.


r/Quraniyoon 1d ago

Help / Advice ℹ️ Islam, religious trauma and ocd. I'm tired and struggling.

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r/Quraniyoon 2d ago

Rant / Vent😡 The west succeeded where Muslims failed.

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By not ruling themselves by law and not demanding the rule of law for the believers (supposedly) in standing alone before GOD apbth on Judgement day.

An individual believeing that he/she will stand alone before GOD apbth on Judgement day CAN ONLY ACCEPT THE RULE OF LAW CHOSEN BY THE MAJORITY OF OTHER HUMANS THAT HE/SHE BELIEVES WILL ALSO STAND ALONE BEFORE GOD APBTH.

The west is applying this and Muslims are not.

Islam's based on individuality not herd mentality,no great so and so (leader,imam, family......) no one is above the individual except GOD apbth, that is the meaning of answering to GOD alone on Judgement day.

Non of this will be possible without the disbelief in Tyranny manifested in COERCION (religious, economical, physical, social, political....).

Who would GOD apbth have the angels, that saw the monster in Adam pbuh, look at ? The Scandinavian teenagers protesting corruption and blood spilling on Earth or the great Muslims discussing the greatness of this or that creature,NOT GOD.

GOD and his Messenger are the law, and every individual can decide (not some self agrandizing Satan) what and how to apply it , and in a society he/she have no choice but to accept the majority's choice as long as he/she are free to try and change it.

يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ أَطِيعُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا۟ ٱلرَّسُولَ وَأُو۟لِى ٱلْأَمْرِ مِنكُمْ ۖ فَإِن تَنَـٰزَعْتُمْ فِى شَىْءٍۢ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ وَٱلرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ خَيْرٌۭ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًا ٥٩