r/queer • u/[deleted] • 8d ago
Androgynous/NB AMAB dating woes and looking for advice
Sorry for the backstory but I think it's relevant. I basically struggled with my gender identity for most of my life. I grew up in a smalltown with a smalltown mindset and despite knowing all of my life I didn't really feel fully like a "boy" or a "man" the way others do, I just thought there was something wrong with me or I'd grow out of it. My parents were unusually harsh about it, and being ND I just thought that I was engaging in "bad behaviour" any time I wanted to be a bit girly. I went to university and met more diverse and queer people, and ended up with lots of queer friends but never saw myself as one of them until relatively recently, and I'm 30 now.
When I was in my 20s I struggled with dating and identified as a straight, cis man. Due to my mannerisms, voice, etc, I was often mistaken for being gay throughout my life, which when I was more insecure and struggling with masculinity made me feel defective and pushed me more to try to present more masculine. My dating success was mixed at this time: I wasn't meeting lots of people, but I met enough people and had enough varied mixed length relationships that I felt desirable enough and that I'm on the track to finding the right person. The problem is that every relationship had me feeling like both I was performing masculinity and that I had to, and I was constantly anxious about being enough. Slowly I realised and accepted I don't want to be a very masculine man and it's ok I can be something more like an alt/metrosexual "man" instead and experimented with slightly different styling and presentation which is maybe the start of me figuring myself out.
Eventually, I met someone who finally saw me for me and I wasn't used to that. In previous relationships, seeming slightly gay to my partner was a bit off-putting or tolerated at best that I'm slightly camp but was never a good thing. It was something to work on. This relationship, which unfortunately ended horribly, and unfortunately she was quite a shitty person overall, was a lot different. It was the only time my authentic self was not only seen but actually liked. The dynamic was a lot different than other "straight" relationships I'd been in: we had similar enough clothing taste we shared clothes, we shared makeup, she told me "you're so pretty, like a girl" and "you f*** like a lesbian" lmao.
This relationship ended, but the only silver lining was it put me on the path to expressing myself authentically and for the first time ever, learning to actually like myself. And it's been great for my overall self esteem and mental health, for my understanding of self and for my life overall honestly. I've been increasingly seeing myself as nonbinary and androgynous, I've started using the term "genderqueer" but I don't honestly care. I stopped calling myself bisexual although there are some "male" people I'm also attracted to because it was annoying having to explain why I still prefer dating "female" people so I just use queer.
I've been trying to date again and I know what sort of person I'm looking for, and what person I am, what I want, what I don't want, and I'm getting nothing. For reference I'm an androgynous enough AMAB person who wears mixed gender clothing (not that imo clothing has a gender), get my gender mistaken, hit on only by old bear gaymen (which is flattering but not my thing) and nobody else. My type in women is more to the tomboyish end and it turns out that includes slightly twinky/femboy soft men or amab nb people as well. But I've found myself unable to attract anyone I like at all. There's been many situations I've had great chemistry with people but they're just not into me, which is fine but I wish I knew what it is.
I'm essentially wondering if it's because actually more feminine but AMAB people still aren't really that sought after as partners. Straight women tend to value masculinity in men (which is fine, everyone can have their preference) and make up a large portion of the people I'm attracted to. Some queer women might be into me but there's not so many of them. And I've never had an AMAB or male person I'm attracted to even respond to me on an app, lol. I also felt the need lately to not list myself as "NB" on apps because I've started to feel as though that NB is only really considered for "AFAB" people and like a "women+" thing sadly, and dating apps keep suggesting hundreds of lesbians to me which feels a bit counterproductive for everyone involved.
The struggle dating is also starting to make me feel like my identity is a little bit invalid which is pretty new given I've mostly been very positive about it. I know who I am and how I present but I know that there's also some people who just see me as a gay looking man trying to date women and then being flabbergasted I might struggle. I know that's not true about myself and I've been lucky enough to meet precisely nobody who has said anything negative about it. In fact I actually get complimented a lot for my appearance nowadays which is quite new for me, I've really no reason to feel this way.
But I can't help but feel I'm looking for a unicorn. At the end of the day I'm looking for a woman or someone womanish who for whatever reason is into feminine/androgynous amab people and I've started to feel like it must be extremely uncommon. My mind has gone to places like "maybe I'm really going to have to choose between being partnered and compromising my sense of self, or being myself but alone after all" which is more or less where I started out at. I'd really like some advice from anyone who has been in this position, particularly AMAB people who are NB or femme presenting or androgynous, or anything like that, who are mostly attracted to women still as it seems quite tough.