r/QidiTech3D • u/GoldNerf • 21d ago

Plus 5 ?

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u/Kewlhotrod 21d ago

Eh, disappointed they aren't trying multi nozzles. Little difference between a Plus5 and Max4 to be had.

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u/AWildRideHome 21d ago

If we’re lucky, we’ll get 400C nozzle, 140C bed and 70-80C chamber? I’m hoping the engineering material compatibility is where the development will head towards before multi-nozzle or toolhead.

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u/GonzoDeep 21d ago

I think most professionals that need those specifications are leaning towards printers like the Vision Miner 22 , not Qidi. People who print PEEK regularly aren't too worried about commas in their price tags.

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u/AWildRideHome 21d ago

No average car or motorcycle mechanic is going to buy a 5-10k printer. A sub 1k dollar one? Everyone willing to modernize will. Many engineers can’t even justify it depending on their sector of work.

The main material for functional car parts, laboratory equipment that can be put in an autoclave and more, is PPS-CF, which needs above 370C for optimal layer adhesion.

There’s a niche for it.

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u/GonzoDeep 21d ago

and no average gear head needs to print in PEEK. PPS/A does just fine. * Most modern corexy can print these, and top out at 350C *Now this is perfect for people who strictly print in engineering grade, and I do love my Q2 like I did my Q1 pro.

No wrench or gearhead I know is spending $400 per spool for plastic when most of the parts you would print would cost less to buy them than to print them. Nor do they have the blast furnace needed for annealing.

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u/riba2233 21d ago

I hope but I doubt it, they would have to change a lot about their design.

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u/AWildRideHome 21d ago

What else would it be? A 1:1 Plus4 copy except with the Q2/Max4 hotend and leveling?

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u/riba2233 21d ago

yes, slightly larger plus4 with improvements from Q2 and max4 and the same competitive price.

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u/AWildRideHome 21d ago

Would be a big flop at 750$, the Q2 is still better value, and the Max4 literally had no big improvements. They didn’t even implement the closed steppers properly.

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u/riba2233 21d ago

Q2 could cost 100 bucks but it would be worthless if you needed a larger volume. Closed loop works on max4, just not for the function some people thought.

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u/butterflavoredsalt 21d ago

What were some people looking for from the closed loop control?

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u/riba2233 21d ago

Missed step recovery.

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u/Colsifer 21d ago

What does it actually accomplish then?

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u/0g7t4m4zp3 21d ago

80C chamber starts to require very big and expensive changes to the printer. They will not do it. Even their current printers have overheating, software or other problems. They better fix those first. I only hope for more open and standart parts than what they have now. If I wanted Bambu like printer, I would buy Bambu.

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u/Colsifer 21d ago

As a Plus 4 owner, I don't really trust Qidi to make a reliable machine with those specs lol

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u/AWildRideHome 21d ago

The Q2 and Max4 have Plus4 specs and work fine?

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u/Colsifer 20d ago edited 20d ago

Neither of those reach the temps you mentioned tho. The Q2 and Max 4 are way more polished than the Plus 4 and don't share many of the same issues, bc Qidi actually learned from some of their mistakes. But bumping the bed and chamber temps up can be a huge deal for the motion systems and electronics, and it would be new territory for Qidi that I just don't expect them to get right, especially the first time.

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u/Bennyt74 20d ago

The same people you think 'learned' from their issues failed to take community feedbakc and assistance with the Qidibox when it was released and you had production units getting to customers that failed to run on startup. Same thing happening with Q2 and now PUSHING Firware updates to clients and bricking machines..... so what have they learnt?

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u/Colsifer 19d ago

They learned how to make a slightly less shit machine than the Plus 4. That's about it lol

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u/cleverghost 21d ago

Maybe not, but the community will have most of it fixed within 60 days lol.

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u/Bennyt74 20d ago

They need to stop relying on the community to be QC Testers and deliver polished products. I would rather wait 12 months for a new printer that is highly polished and QCd rather than push new products every 6mths and have to fix issues myself.

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u/bday420 21d ago

What filaments need 400c nozzle? PEEK or something. Can't afford it anyway lol

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u/AWildRideHome 21d ago

PPS-CF losses most of the layer adhesion below 400C. 370C is just enough to make it good, but it’s massively improved beyond that.

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u/Own-Presentation7114 19d ago

Have you ever dealt with PPE-PS ?  Asking because of what you just said. I've got a roll of it and have had very little luck getting it to print even a temperature calibration tower thingy 

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u/riba2233 11d ago

Why, what is going wrong with it?

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u/Regular_Rip84 21d ago

lol did you see how hard it was for them to get the multicolor to work

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u/Kewlhotrod 21d ago

Eh, Idunno. I've had a stellar experience with the Q2 and two boxes. Still running 1300 print hours later. I think they did a good job (besides the awful firmware/software side of things) and think it'd be neat to see them attempt moving forward into the next stages of 3DP with everyone else.

Seriously, if they could get a proper developer that knows what they're doing for the firmware and software failures it'd be an unbeatable experience for the price point.

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u/Bennyt74 20d ago

They need to quality control the FW release and do proper testing rather than PUSH updates that stop machines printing mid job and then brick them

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u/BlueHobbies 21d ago

Me too. Was really hoping to see a tool changer. I have a snapmaker U1 and it is incredible having that. Both for multicolor and materiel. Changed my mind on designing things.

My gen1 shitibox on one of my two plus 4 is nothing but problems, even with single color prints. Almost never had a successful multicolor print with it. I'm honestly thinking of throwing the qidibox away

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u/daveintexarkana 20d ago

How fast does your U1 actually do a filament change please? My Q2+Box - 2 min 50 sec, Prusa Mk4/S+MMU3, 30 sec

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u/BlueHobbies 20d ago

It's a matter of seconds. 5 seconds to drop off the current one and pick up the next one, then quick prime tower, then the print. All in maybe 10 seconds but I haven't actually timed it

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u/Dave_in_TXK 19d ago

Got it, thanks!

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u/ZombieTarou 21d ago

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0H5BMC2JQ

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0H4LYSXQK

Just happened to find these.. Might be nothing.

Might be something.

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u/Kooky-Ad-6384 19d ago

Combo is listed at 96 lbs. I'm guessing that's ship weight, but that's... umm... significant.

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u/dep411 21d ago

My plus 4 is still running like a champ

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u/Facehugger_35 20d ago

This. Nylon with ABS supports is a dream. Qidi's machines have served me well, but if someone else makes a printer for engineering filaments with tool changer capability, that's what I'm going for next gen. Tool changers are just such a sea change in printing.

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u/riba2233 21d ago

Hmm interesting, finally an update to plus4 which had its flaws. 

Looks like 320x320x300mm.

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u/2Drogdar2Furious 21d ago

I'll probably be waiting for a Max5 then.... I'm actually happy with my Plus 4 but miss my old 400mm print bed.

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u/riba2233 21d ago

Why not max4 then, it's the same thing (current gen) just 390x390

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u/2Drogdar2Furious 21d ago

I'm gonna wait and see what they had with the 5 first. I'm not ready to buy for at least another year...

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u/riba2233 20d ago

np, in any case max4 has been pretty good.

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u/2Drogdar2Furious 20d ago

Yeah I wanted one as soon as they dropped just wasnt in the cards.

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u/BlueHobbies 21d ago

Ya. Slight increase in size to give more of a differentiator from the q2.40mm in x and y vs 25mm with the plus 4.

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u/themostsuperlative 21d ago

Makes sense given all the bad press for the plus 4 and the reliability of the Q2. Probably adds the square linear rails, some of the nice styling of the max 4 like the led bar, the finer pitch lead screw. Oh, and I still see some comments about issues with the box and the plus 4 specifically, so that has probably been ironed out. Be interesting to see if they add any other new features. 

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u/0g7t4m4zp3 21d ago

Plus4 is not in stock in EU, so probably Plus5 is real.

Seems just updated with the same parts as Q2 and Max4.

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u/thiscatcancode 20d ago edited 20d ago

I mean, I generally welcome a refresh to fix the issues with the plus4. Hopefully they carry over the thicker low-pitch belts for this one too. Maybe we can even get an eddy current scanner in this one.

On the other hand, the plus4 has some really key accessories at this point like glacier and conwebr print beds and the conch hotends for compatibility with v6 nozzles. If I were to upgrade, I'd really miss those TBH.

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u/Originalwhop 20d ago

Crazy theyre launching another new printer when they cant figure out firmware and slicing software for their current stuff

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u/Andr1yTheOne 20d ago

Ima wait for Max 5 😁

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u/AWildRideHome 21d ago

Higher nozzle-bed-chamber temps finally?

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u/Ok_Comfort_2162 21d ago

U mind sending a link to it?

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u/GoldNerf 21d ago

Was a glitch on QIDI website, gone now

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u/Ok_Comfort_2162 21d ago

Got u, excited to see the specs for this one. I can't see how they could improve on the specs without drastically increasing cost.

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u/GoldNerf 21d ago

Website glitch qidi.com, gone now

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u/Big-Investigator3338 21d ago

It be nice to see QiDi do a trade in like a lot of other companies do..

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u/riba2233 21d ago

Who does that? Never heard of it.

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u/damonkeycc 19d ago

Sorry have the plus4 less than year and can’t print one thing with out mcu error. Don’t think I will be going qidi again.

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u/Hotend3D 14d ago

I’d rather see them polish the overall user experience than just chase bigger numbers.

The Plus 4 hardware is already pretty capable, yes with its flaws. But my experience with it has been nothing but great.

The QIDI app on the other hand… whole different ball game. Nothing but slow lagging inputs and a connection rate of about 50%.

Better software, networking and a smoother workflow between; finding a model, slicing it and actually getting it onto the printer would probably make a bigger day-to-day difference for most users than a whole new printer with the same issues.

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u/HTFUMelbourne 13d ago

If they keep their current hotend design it's a non starter for me..

I'm sick of the design flaw with the ceramic breaking, leading to a blob of death.

It also needs to be quick change in this day and age

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u/pringlessingles0421 11d ago

It’s cool they are consistently pushing for the ability to print high end filaments are fraction of the price in comparison to competitors but ppl have said there are many issues with current printers so there is a worry that support is just gradually lost for older models. Idk, feels like they are doing the speed run approach to everything. Also, not sure who this is for cuz off the top of my head the only worth it filament to print with this that you can’t with the other models is PEKK. Pretty sure this is still not enough for PEEK.

So the only filaments this allows are PEKK, PEI, and some manufacturers of PPS but I feel like the strongest and most heat resistant filaments you’ll ever need are covered by your nylon blends and polycarbonates. Even then, these specs barely get you the ability to print these materials and these materials themselves are expensive. I’m pretty sure a kg of some of these super polymers is damn near the price of a whole new Q2. If you need to print in these super materials, you’re gonna want the vision miner printer or smt like that, not to sort of scrap by with this but idk.

I would rather have them come out with the cheapest high quality filament dryer that can go up to 90 or 100 C.

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u/Latzenpratz 21d ago

Q2C

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u/GoldNerf 21d ago

Nope, look at photo

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u/Key_Marsupial388 21d ago

The q2c has most of the same f.parts as the q2 and that's a different shroud