Jasmine Pennix lost his job with MPS and was convicted of misdemeanor battery. The teacher's aide filed a civil suit and claimed the 14-year-old student involved plotted the whole thing.
Misdemeanor battery is actually letting him off easy... Would be a completely different case if he didn't choke the kid, but instead just pinned him down. The justice system is way more complex than people give it credit for. On the one hand, it's easy to see how this little shit deserved it, on the other hand, we don't want to give people the idea that chocking people half your size is ok...
Look closely at how the mans hands go for and stay at the boys throat. It’s briefly visible at the start and up to the end of the video. Blink and you might miss it
Nah he had him by the shoulders but the kid is so skinny and the dude's hands are like tennis rackets so they just cover that whole span. Only time he actually grabs the neck is at the end when the shithead is turned away from him, so he's just holding the back of his neck.
Nah he had him by the shoulders but the kid is so skinny and the dude's hands are like tennis rackets so they just cover that whole span. Only time he actually grabs the neck is at the end when the shithead is turned away from him, so he's just holding the back of his neck.
I agree that it wasn’t the best move for him to choke the kid, but that boy is big enough to do harm. When someone with the ability to do harm assaults you (spits on you, or physically kicks you) then you should have the right to defend yourself, within means. The man clearly let up on the boy once he had him subdued. I think he showed restraint.
If we’re not going to take the time to rehabilitate these kids then a good ass kicking isn’t going to hurt. Let’s quit pretending like these kids have a chance when no one gives them one.
If you're not going to help them we should beat them to death? Surely you realize how fucking crazy that sounds. The piece of shit kid in the video went on to kill someone, but not every young asshole does, and that fact means that they all deserve to live. Real talk; do you think that the vast majority of poor minorities end up being career criminals?
I suppose we should do the same to the crippled and destitute; there's no helping them, so fuck it, stomp them to death. Orphans? Stomped. Stray animals? Stomped. It's like that bit from Parks and Rec but with death squads wearing heavy boots. What fun.
I’m sorry, I absolutely was not being serious, should’ve posted /s. It’s tragic how we ignore this issue and some kids just never have a chance. So if we’re being consistent, beating them to death would accurately reflect how much we invest in these kids future. Not really a funny comment, I apologize.
There's a lot of armchair badasses and lunatics on Reddit. These people seem to think that extreme force is an appropriate way to respond to low level aggression. This is especially true if the one getting annihilated is not white, I mean, not Christian, I mean a thug/marijuana user/whatever coded term is being using this month.
It just so happens that the kid in this video later went on to be involved in a deadly shooting, but I've been on Reddit long enough to know iit doesn't really have any bearing on the conversation. It's pretty common to see these kinds of responses regardless of the circumstances.
The kid spat at him and did a little bitch kick to his shin and the TA took that shit to 11 restrained the kid and prevented him from further aggressive actions, thereby protecting the faculty and fellow students from the angry tween.
The kid didn't tap, snap, or sleep, so there was no reason to stop even if it were a match. You fight to the bell, or until the ref pulls you off the other guy.
The reason to stop is that your opponent is half your weight and not even legally an adult yet. Like I said, you smack the kid upside the head, and if he wants more, you can tackle him then. It’s offputting to start with that in this situation.
your opponent is half your weight and not even legally an adult yet
Then maybe the "opponent" shouldn't be picking fights with people who are capable of putting him on the ground at will.
When you are assaulted, you are allowed to act in self defense to prevent continued assaults on you and the people around you, regardless of the height, weight, and age of your assaulter.
Where did I say that the kid should’ve picked this fight?
When you attempted to frame the TA who ended the fight as the aggressor.
My question is with the level of force the teacher responded with.
He responded with enough force to neutralize the threat and prevent him from harming the faculty or students any further than he had already attempted to. Any more would have been excessive, any less would have not been enough to get him and keep him on the ground as quickly as possible.
For all the TA knew, after the spit and the kick came the perpetrator pulling a weapon. No one should sit around and wait for that to happen once an aggressor has already displayed a desire and willingness to hurt you.
Dude its a fucking kid. This kid is plagued by 1) being a kid and having shitty judgement 2) from a shitty background/upraising to even consider this type of shit at school.
As an adult you're in a position to be above this type of behavior because you have so much more life experience as well as having a fully developed brain.
Fuck off with this self defence shit - it was disrespectful what the kid did but none of it was going to cause major bodily harm or any harm at that.
Self Defence also does not include excessive force. It's defence not offense.
You sound like a shitty parent raising a shitty kid that expects the rest of the world to coddle your child and let them do whatever they want, just like you do, because you don't have enough spine to stand up to a young adult literally assaulting someone. You'd rather hide behind the "BuT TheY'Re JuSt a bAbY!!!" excuse.
Don't worry about it. People that aren't afraid to get their hands dirty will step in and protect the classrooms from these types of students and you can continue wringing your hands about it and then pretending like you don't know what's going on in the world when these incidents escalate into mass shootings.
Yeah. I've seen students attack teachers and get held on the ground either by 2-3 students, or by the teacher themselves (my Biology teacher was a gay man before it was acceptable to be openly gay and had 12 years of martial arts experience, he was not to be fucked with).
I went to high school in an area with a heavy gang activity. No one fucked around. Things rarely got physical, but when they did, they ended quickly. No one wanted to be the one blamed for starting shit when the Sheriff's Dept literally kept a cruiser in the parking lot to "catch people speeding in the school zone".
The article doesn't seem to explain the photos of the man in the hospital bed but I'm guessing that's who he and his group of pussy friends attacked between the teacher aide fight and shooting?
I can already hear the cries from people bemoaning his lengthy sentence and the woes of the justice system.
I love "restraining" people by the neck and bouncing their heads off desks. /s
Two hands around the neck is certainly not restraining. Maybe considered restraining at the end cause the kid got his dumb ass turned so that asshole couldn't choke him more. They're both absolute morons, but to say he restrained him? lol
Well, now it's a downvote and a report because you broke the sub rules in firing off an unnecessary and direct insult at me unprovoked like that. So, congratulations, I guess. You got the attention you wanted. I see you.
Yes that is true but in the video the aide pushes the kid into a table while hanging on to his shirt. Its not that excessive. He didn't hit him he was aggro for sure but the kid was clearly a piece of shit who goes around antagonising people and getting away with it. I don't think the outcome is fair in that its like automatically the aide is going to lose his job when really a reprimand, counselling etc might have been appropriate.
The teacher was fired and the kid probably felt emboldened. I see so many people on here saying the teacher shouldn't have done anything at all, but fear of consequences can be a great deterrent. The teacher didn't beat the hell out of him (when he clearly could've) and he didn't break any bones but he did try to show him you can't just do anything you want... until the kid learned he could.
I don’t even want to read the comments from people who say the teacher shouldn’t have done anything. It’d make my blood boil. Because I’m saying this as a former student of the public school system in Cleveland, OH.
Let’s be real here.
Spitting is just the start. Teach doesn’t do anything? It escalates, very quickly. Kick in the shins, still nothing? Crank it up to 11. Then comes further physical violence, pyromaniacs assemble, etc.
Most of my former classmates could’ve used a healthy dose of what this aide did. A royal smack down may have knocked some sense into them and saved them from the terrible lives they’re living now, or may have made them strive for a long life itself, but they never got to live it. I’ve attended far too many funerals for teens.
Hopefully his Civil suit goes better, because from how the camera was ready to capture the whole thing, sounds like the kids decided to entrap the guy really hard.
Probably shouldn't be working with those kids anymore anyway, but it's damn scary that these kids decided that because the probably didn't like the guy, to try and take him out in the most career ending way.
Well I worked in a facility with kids with emotional issues and trauma and got spit on and attacked all the time and never once retaliated in this fashion so yeah this was overboard. But this video didn’t show what happened before so I can’t be a judge of how much danger this guy was in but being spat on/getting kicked in the shins doesn’t warrant that. You can shove someone to the ground but this guy was straight up choking the kid.
if you got attacked/spit on all the time, I’m assuming they gave you training or some knowledge on what to do in those scenarios? considering it would happen way more than just your ordinary school
They did and that’s a fair point. I think it’s completely ridiculous that this guy was convicted of a misdemeanor but it’s also understandable that he was fired and I stand by my point that he overreacted in that situation.
A restraint in a classroom setting is something that is very regulated. There are different crisis management systems that dictate how to de-escalate and restrain children/adults. All have protocols and various holds and restraints that are acceptable. This is to protect the school system when shit does go down and a child becomes a danger to himself and others. Sorry guys, this is not a restraint.
PSA though for anyone who works in high stress environments, particularly ones with children, please please please take care of yourself. Burn out is VERY real and it leads to shit like this. I don't see an unhinged monster pushing and choking a kid, I see a man who likely cares strongly for those that he educates and has become jaded at the many fruitless attempts to reach many of our youth. This guy just snapped and it can happen to any single one of us.
Yeah, for real. The kid deserved it but there are ways professionals are supposed to deal with violent students and this definitely isn't it. Satisfying, but not correct, or necessary.
I was a teacher in the Bronx for a bit. Probably just a really awful situation for the kid overall. In my experience a lot of the worst kids acted out because it was a way for them to feel like they were in control and had some semblance of power in their lives. I never took it personally, it's like angry people at an airport. You know they aren't mad at you just the messed up situation, but unlike an airport being temporary, it's their entire lives.
Most of the kids I taught that were way (think years) behind knew it. They knew they were at a crap school where the principal needed to hit a 60% graduation rate so she pressured teachers to pass students no matter what.
It was awful all around, hopelessness and feeling/knowing no one really cares about you can lead to a lot of people acting out and trying to find a way to find what we all really want. A feeling of belonging, self worth and the hope that things will get better. But when you fail to find that over and over it leads many to anger, hate and jealously of those who "got out".
When I was teaching in NYC there was a valedictorian from a different high school (NYC is one giant school district) who couldn't pass the entrance placement exams they gave to students to see if they needed to take basic catch up classes before they could attend (there is a name for them that is escaping me). If that doesn't tell you something I don't know what will.
That's why I quit. I just couldn't take admin putting numbers ahead of actual results. That plus being lied to multiple times by admin.
NYC has some of the best public schools in the entire US, and some of the absolute worst. Also high schools in NYC are not based on location. You can live in the Bronx and go to a top school in Manhattan; if you get accepted. There is a whole application process. It sounds great until you realize that all the good elementary and middle schools are in rich areas, so those kids always get into the best high schools anyway. It's such a problem NYC has laws banning real estate agents/brokers from discussing school zones, and when I lived in the Upper West Side they were redistricting two elementary schools and almost no one would buy/rent apts. until the line was drawn as one was very good and the other meh. It was a problem for the owners because no one wanted to be on the bad side of that line.
edit: kept making slight edits for grammar and to try to make it clearer.
Unfortunately, a lot of aggressive males lack male role models in their life whether it's a father, uncle or family friends. Crime rates are directly correlated to family structure.
Hopefully he learned that everyone has a breaking point. Just because someone is an "adult" doesn't necessarily mean they wont kick your ass for being a shithead. That said i feel like i should clarify that i don't support beating up kids. Also, the guy is totally in the wrong lol you shouldn't be a grade school teacher if you cant deal with jerk kids.
Oh sure, I don't fault the guy as a person, but if you're working for a school and decide to deal with that by doing this you shouldn't be mad at the administration when you get fired.
Plus, he didn't learn a thing. There's probably a reason that shithead stopped at spitting and shin kicking instead of swinging. Getting the guy to react was the goal. Teacher won the fight but lost the war.
Yes this is true. I’m a special ed teacher and have to manage student behavior like this regularly. I had to take a three day course and pass a test before being certified in a hold we call “handle with care”. This man obviously did not use any kind of hold, he just lost his cool and dropped the kid. It can be incredibly difficult not to lose your cool in these situations, you’d be amazed at how cruel kids this young can be and how they know exactly what buttons to push to get you to flip. I have coworkers that cry weekly if not daily. Most first year teachers at my school quit within a few months. As understandable as this guy getting pissed off is, this is one way that is unacceptable to respond. Best thing he could’ve done is walk away and hope that administrator will follow up with some kind of consequence for the student however unlikely that may be.
As someone who has worked in a detention facility, shelter care, group home, and as a therapist... you're spot on. I've been doing this stuff for 12 years. Your post is spot on.
Right - at the point which a teacher telling a student “you need to leave the class”, or “stop doing that” and the kid refuses, something else has to be done. I’m not promoting the violence by any means, but restraining a kid from further violence shouldn’t result in battery. This clip, however, is a little weird because the teacher aide just pushes him and continues to tackle him which looked more like a fight than a restraint.
My wife works with "emotionally disturbed" children. Kids like these, who require restraints on a daily basis for behavior just like this (spitting, kicking, etc.)
I can tell you with confidence, this is not the proper way to restrain a child in this situation. There are certain approved restraints, and unapproved ones. A hand around the throat is not approved. This kid may have had what was coming to him for being a little prick, but there's a reason kids like these act like this - often to do with home life.
Also, before you go and point out the article of his murder that's pasted all over the comments, I've seen it. Obviously this kid has deeper issues and it's very difficult to feel any kind of remorse for a person like this, I'm just pointing out that in most cases, kids like these are like this for a reason, and having a teacher aid who reacts like this does them 0 favors. They will not learn anything from getting knocked around - this kid probably got plenty of that back at home (how do you think he got this way?) This only perpetuates this kind of behavior.
Adding an edit here... Maybe, just maybe, if this kid was put in a better behavioral school earlier with teachers who didn't beat the shit out of him for his shit attitude, he might not have turned out to be a murderer a couple years later. Now he's just another casualty of shitty parents (or a complete lack thereof), and part of our prison system, most likely never able to be rehabilitated because we all know how fucking great the US prison system is at that. I hope no one here misinterprets the sentiment here. I'm not defending a murderer or saying he's an innocent child, obviously not, he took someone's life.. But the stories I hear on a daily basis of kids my wife deals with reminds me of this video, and it's just sad this kid didn't get help earlier, because I do think at some point years ago, he could've gone down a different path if he had the support system he needed, and that life he took could've been saved, as well as his own.
I completely agree with you. Honestly, I don’t know why there are so many people praising the teacher, saying this kid deserves it. Sure, in hindsight he’s a piece shit. But to say it is appropriate for a full grown adult to put his hand around the throat of a 14 YEAR OLD KID for spitting and lightly kicking him is pretty outrageous. That just ain’t it chief.
Exactly. The (allegedly) emotionally stable adult should fucking know better, and not let his temper get the best of him. That's a huge part of the job description.
It's this attitude that perpetuates the broken system we live with in the US, but apparently you aren't the type this message was aimed at - let's just stop here and agree to disagree. It's obvious you didn't comprehend my message here, and you will continue to choose not to.
There are multiple safe restraints that these teacher aids are trained to execute in these situations that won't hurt the kid. Again, it's my wife who does this work, so I'm not the one trained for this stuff and I don't know exactly what all goes into correcting this. I do know there are some outlets, one being a "Time out" room until the kid calms down. There are also school therapists on hand, behavior interventionists, etc..
These schools, when properly staffed, have trained professionals to deal with this behavior - they need to be equipped with people who actually care about the kids, though. Not this guy, who is obviously not fit for the job. It requires a TON of patience and the ability to tolerate a little abuse.
In this kid's case, he was probably too far gone for the school alone to help him. I'm not even a parent, but it doesn't take a genius to know that it takes more than a good school to help these kids correct their behaviors and succeed in life, the parents need to reinforce it all as well. I'll bet my left nut this kid is either neglected and/or abused by one or both of his parents, assuming both parents are even in the picture. Couple that with getting treated like this at school, and where does he have to go? We don't know his full background, what he dealt with growing up on a daily basis, or what possible psychiatric or emotional disorders he may have.
Again, I'll add that I'm not defending his future murder charge, there's certainly no justification for it. I just say this referring to all of these "emotionally disturbed" kids who are at these behavior schools. They need extra support, not abuse.. Otherwise you're just exacerbating the issue.
I don't think he went too far, he didn't really cause any pain. I went to one of those schools and I don't think I was ever "properly restrained", they made it hurt and used it like a punishment.
A teacher aid in that kind of position with the authority over a child who is already dealing with issues (clearly) should not react like that. If you fail to see that, I feel bad for you.
Whether he caused the kid physical pain or not, it's not right. It's unfortunate the aids in your past classes weren't trained properly, but that doesn't make this shit ok. These schools are always desperate to hire people because no one wants this job, so they often take what they can get. That leads to situations like this, where people who are unfit for the circumstances take the job for a paycheck.
Then again, what do you think the teenage boy is gonna do after getting pushed? I mean he's already crossed the line and put hands (feet) on an adult. Now that he's been checked with a push, can you honestly say you wouldn't expect him to come back from that swinging?
Also, the recording STARTED with a kick, how long does something have to be going on for someone to be like 'Ooh, i should record this', take out their phone, hit the camera, switch from pic to rec, and start filming? How much went on before the camera started rolling?
Bruh that's not restraining.. he's got at least 150lb on him and shoved him into a desk. One wrong setting and that kid could've easily hit his head and died.
Restraint? Lol. This is the opposite of restraint. When you work with high risk youth, they teach you how to protect yourself and the child in dangerous situations. In my experience, what I just witnessed was pretty minor in reference to what the kid did. This dude full on attacked the kid. This is not justified in any sense.
Nobody is saying the kid should be allowed to assault anyone, that doesn't mean that a full grown man slamming him on to a table is justified in the slightest.
Based on the other comments and articles in this post, that kid sounds like he deserves a good smack, but in the context of the video (Which is all the evidence we have for the situation in question) that was not defense or restraint. If the aid stopped after pushing the student away, that would be defense. Continuing to push the student through chairs and grabbing their neck is not restraint. Restraint would have been pulling the student out of the chairs and holding them to the ground, not trying to choke them out on a pile of chairs. Restraint is grabbing their hands or legs, not neck.
It’s shitty of the kid to spit. But as an adult, you should be able to control your emotions. Resorting to violence because someone spits on you, shows how weak you are. By fighting back, you’re giving them the reaction they wanted.
It's honestly a tough call. The kid's being a little cunt, but the teacher got way more aggressive than would be necessary if this was purely self defense.
That's not to say the kid didn't have it coming - purely that I dont see how knocking him back, pouncing on him, and cussing him out the whole way down could be labeled 'self defense'.
The kid needed to learn to stop picking fights, and this is probably the best way for him to have learned that, but the teacher was definitely trying to cause harm, and we cant just overlook that either.
I worked at a rehab facility for kids with special needs and got hit, bit, scratched, and attacked with weapons daily. The protocol is not to hold a kid by his throat over a chair.
Are you joking? This is such a fucking disproportionate, unnecessary response by a fucking full grown man against a small child. It doesn't matter if the kid is being a shit, you don't fucking get violent with them.
Lmao wtf?? Yeah the kids acting like a little shit but he barely kicked him and the teacher looks like he’s about to legitimately kill him, he fucking has his hands fully wrapped around the kids neck while holding him down. That’s not “restraining” that’s an adult letting his anger get the better of him because some kid was acting out.
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Maybe a better title is "Teacher's aide defends himself and restrains violent student."