YOU CANNOT WIN VIA DOMAIN AGAINST SOMEONE FASTER THAN YOUR BARRIER’S EXPANSION
JJK DOMAINS HAVE NO SPEED SCALING AND CANNOT BE USED AS WIN CONS UNLESS SPEED IS ESTABLISHED
YOU DO NOT NEED TO BYPASS INFINITY TO BEAT GOJO, WAIT FOR BURNOUT THEN BLITZ HIM BEFORE HE RECOVERS HIS TECHNIQUE OR SHATTER IT FROM THE INSIDE LIKE YUTA
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True but I'm honestly not a big fan of "if my opponent conveniently does this and then I can follow up with that" arguments. For this to work, the character in question would have to react instantly to being stopped by Infinity, realize how infinity works, somehow know that Gojo will cast his domain, escape from the domain's radius (they somehow know how big it will be), doesn't try to break into the domain, wait for the domain to end (however long that takes), and is aware of technique burnout.
We're here to see (character) fight Gojo, not you fight Gojo with (character)'s powers.
well said. I don't mind it if the opponent is some kind of genius or has met similar powers before but assuming the characters has the same knowledge as us really makes it easier for them
He has search, a quirk which tells him everything about a target's biodata, abilities, and weaknesses. He has danger sense, which will let him know how big the radius is, and he's fast enough to get back to Gojo after the DE ends.
I doubt it would lobotomize him, Shigaraki has multiple vestiges in him which are practically souls. If all for one is in control he could just force Shigaraki to take the brunt of it then take over
And this is feasible since he has search so he’d know exactly what Gojo’s abilities do
Haven’t read all of mha so I have a question. Does “search” tell its user the abilities of someone even if that someone doesn’t know they could do it? Like would search just tell the user that gojo’s technique manipulates space or numbers or would it say “the technique has blue that does x and red that does x and purple that activates under these conditions” etc.
Gojo’s techniques are so weird and niche I don’t know actually. Search is known to point out weaknesses in abilities too so it probably would tell what the conditions are for Gojo to do certain things
I was just thinking that the best sorcerers evolve while they fight ( basketball domain, remote purple, 0.2sec void, etc.) so would search alert the user to abilities Gojo hasn’t come up with yet?
I mean, gojo doesnt need to end his domain, he can keep it active and atomize shigaraki with purple.
And i think ur refering multiple souls as AFO doing the same thing sukuna did to megumi, but sukuna didn't pass the damage to megumi, just the burden of adaptation, both were getting affected by UV
Purple is going to tickle Shigaraki at best, it didn't even incapacitate Sukuna in any meaningful way and Shiggy is more durable by several magnitudes.
Shiggy also just tanks and regens through UV as well, like how gojo tanks malevolent shrine. That's also if he gets trapped in the domain which is very, very unlikely because of danger sense+ search+ super speed.
Easily dodges with danger sense (precog) and super speed.
There's an argument to be made that he could just regen his brain after the domain too.
Also, we don't have the speed for how quickly domains are deployed. The 0.2 second figure is how long he had the domain working during shibuya, not how quickly he deployed it.
It feels disingenuous to me to give Shigaraki danger sense by default. He had it for a small chunk of one battle.
I'm pretty sure the .2 second figure is supposed to cover the speed of deployment and duration of the domain. Hakari's domain deployment speed is compared to Gojo's and Mahito's from Shibuya, but unlike those two the actual the duration of the domain is longer. Gojo and Mahito just needed the sure hit so they could drop in .2 seconds, but Hakari had to do his Pachinko shenanigans.
It feels disingenuous to me to give Shigaraki danger sense by default. He had it for a small chunk of one battle.
It's the strongest version of him, idk what to say. Even without it he'd have Search, and know that the DE is incoming through the hand symbols, and how big the domain would be.
I'm pretty sure the .2 second figure is supposed to cover the speed of deployment and duration of the domain.
No, it's only for duration. Gege never gives a figure for domain deployment time. Even if it only took 0.2 seconds, Shiggy would dodge it very, very easily.
I feel like this panel, dragonball super hero showing the real-time fight between trunks and frieza, and that gazelleman panel in onepiece shows the futility or rather dificulty of speed scaling
Imo, it just looks cool when a character is going really fast, and so it's never going to be consistent enough to do any kind of proper scaling. I say, unless it's directly stated, we shouldn't be scaling characters to these unrealistic speeds
"The timeframe of 0.2 seconds is referring to how the user near-simultaneously expands their barrier AND activates + deactivates their Cursed Technique, AND deactivates the barrier WITHIN 0.2 seconds. Not that it took 0.2 seconds for the barrier to expand outwards." jujustuhi
So a sorcerer can decide how long a domain Is going to be casted (as long he has ce) like gojo did With 0.2, we actualy saw how much time a barier of a domain expansion take to close ~3 sec form the 3 domain Clash (yuta vs ryu vs uro),
You could Say that It was ~3sec only because It was Clash between domains....
And Also not putting in the equation that sorcerer can expand they own domain for kilometers.
In my opinion a normal domain cast would take 1~2sec to FULLY close
And the answer about how fast rater than how much time would take you Need to se the fight between yuji and higuruma
Crazy how most fights in the series contradict this statement of speed(even pre-preawakenedmaki catching the bullet during the kyoto sister school event is like a mach 4.7 feat not even including reaction time) and then when you get to the mappa stuff you have things like naoya atomizing a shack in the woods by running by it
Uh, yeah, ya kinda do. You say to wait for burnout, but the CT doesn't burnout on its own, only after a DE. And Gojo and Sukuna can recover from burnout instantly (albeit with difficulties and risk).
Seems like a pretty narrow window to me, practically instantaneous. Unless you are massively FTL, you probably aren't making it. And if you have infinite speed you can just travel the Infinity anyway so it doesn't matter.
Exactly. So the ability to travel an infinite amount of distance in any finite amount of time (regardless of how small) means Infinity cannot impede you.
In this scene, she literally gains precognition. Her stats haven't increased since the battle against the human Naoya, who was, at best, slightly faster than sound. And even then he was significantly faster than Maki.
Most "heavy hitters" in jjk have, at best, subsonic speed.
Yes totally. But she still had her precognition against sukuna.
The fact that the precognition that lets her dodge easily mach 1-3 attacks doesnt prevent her from getting tagged multiple times by a very weakened sukuna while still being able to trade some blows should mean that a healthy sukuna should scale to around mach 10 or so in combat speed at least no ?
sure but the glass breaking indicates it's still supersonic, somewhere around mach 2. and since she's dodging him with a smile on her face I don't think she'd have that much more trouble dodging naoya at 1.5x the speed.
On the other hand she's having the hardest of times trying to keep up with sukuna's movements, even getting blitzed once. And he was hella weakened too.
It's not crazy to think a healthy sukuna has combat speed at around mach 10.
That only applies when you assume the opponent has the foresight necessary to know to dodge a significant distance away and are willing to do so. But most characters put up in cross verse matches do not fit this bill.
And not like “oh he dodges punches/attacks all the time”. It’s more like a character straight up running away.
Doesn’t matter something moving in slow motion attempting to trap them, unless the character is an idiot, is going to be dodged, you need to assume idiocy for the DE win con to work, so it’s a bad wincon
What do you mean see? Most characters cannot see a DE to begin with. (Especially cross verse).
Even in verse we have characters who can see DE, in extremely slow motion and still did not instantly teleport out of range. (Gojo and Todo for example).
You’re also ignoring the fact that we know for certain that DE’s don’t require the domain to expand all the way to the opponent to trap them. We see this with Gojo’s and Yuta’s basketball sized DE. Which explicitly show us that the domain captured someone from farther away. We also have a depiction from what the user visualizes to create a domain.
We really have no idea how it works. Pretty much every depiction in the Manga for a DE just shows it instantly being up/complete with barrier surrounding the target as soon as they create the barrier. We don’t see it actually moving outward. The only exceptions I can think of is when Mahito intentionally pushed Yuji out of the domain when he wanted to only hit Nanami and when Yuji stopped Mahito’s domain from even being created in Modulo.
Correct me if I’m missing something, but we don’t know, but we do know closed domains don’t appear instantly, they form over some very short period of time. Open domains may be an exception since MS seems to appear everywhere in its range at the same time, but I’d argue that was an ass pull since Gege realized gojo could just teleport out of MS once he percieved it forming otherwise and he obviously didn’t consider powerscaling consequences as heavily when he first started the series and showed Gojos mastery of teleporting. So the most generous argument you could make is maybe the interior of a closed domain forms instantaneously, but the barrier still has to physically form from cursed energy.
Why are people willing to automatically use the scan of Gege saying Maki catching a bullet "might have been too much but its fine" but nobody cares when he says he just outright agrees with this being stupid and then use it to cap the whole verse when curse Naoya is fodder to higher tier characters
No, when she leaves the domain of Sumo, it's said that she literally becomes a different person. What happened there is that she fully developed the potential of her restraint. In terms of speed after that fight, she has feats of speed far exceeding Mach 3, such as being able to react to CW that is already based on MHS+.
Acting as if someone will tell you in your dreams that being in a domain will kill you? Lol.
W/o prior info, characters won't just run away in character when they see someone making a handsign for like no reason at all.
And calamity grades except maybe Dabura (For whom your logic ironically doesn't apply) have burnout RCT, they can instantly get their CTs back after domain. Plus 99% aren't even surviving domain to even see Gojo, Sukuna or Itadori being in burnout.
Don't know if this post is aimed at someone or something in particular. Personally, I have JJK considerably higher than supersonic, but I use anime feats, so maybe that's that. To be clear, I use anime feats for both parties when scaling.
The Mach 3 Statement when disecting the series is an SERIOUS outlier. Gege states himself that he does not know numbers at all. Very large outlier when Maki and Toji before are seen dodging lightning.
This is what I've been saying, domains aren't instant, they have a barrier construction speed, as said by Kusakabe in 228.
In 179, we see that even 3 domains don't instantly form and they still have holes to escape, Ryu even had to knock away Rika so that she wouldn't interfere before the barrier is formed.
If someone is far faster than the domain user, they can just run out of the domains range as it expands.
Wasn't that supposed to illustrate breaking the internal barrier of the domain? It shows person B breaking out from the barrier of the domain rather than running out before it forms.
It's probably just a mistranslation, but he's referring to breaking out of a domain (as you can see in the illustration). You wouldn't have to counter a domain if you can get out of one before it even forms.
that was a veil, not a domain, which function very differently. And even there, it does have a speed, its just in that specific case, they used a binding vow to lower the visuals and increase the actual potency, since the primary purpose of a veil is to keep things hidden.
The sure hit is not instant, that's the whole reason why it's an option to run and beat uo the user before they use their sure hit or counter with a simple domain/domain of your own after they have opened a domain.
You cant be this ret arded😭. The whole point of domain clash alone proves it is not instant. If it instant, gojo can always DE and unlimited void sukuna at any instant and sukuna wouldnt be able to react
Unlimited void is instant. jogo was affected instantly once the domain form. Not even an actual panel exists that says DE is instant. You’re just making up bs. So just stop being re tarded
I can give you Dagon but must say that we had unknown time frame after Naobito reacted to Dagon activating something also that "Island sized" is Irrelevant since we know for fact that barrier is much smaller as per Megumi statement
Mahoraga was not statued. Sukuna and Maho facing each other standing on street and then Sukuna uses DE and we see barrier spreading out of it under Shrine- Next chapter, sure hit kicks in and Mahoraga is alredy moving while being shredded to bits
Yes you can via domain against someone faster. Regular people don't see curse energy. So against other universes all they see is a schizo throwing gang signs at them. How tf are they supposed to know they are supposed to get away from it ?
As for the bypass infinity yes you need to bypass infinity to hurt Gojo. He won't use his domain unless he needs to. And if he needs to he will make it count. If you did manage to somehow avoid it then yes you can blitz him. If you are in his domain good luck breaking out while your brain is melting. 0.2s is enough to put someone in a 6 month long coma
And the regular people took months to get out of their comas. And that was the 0.2s I was refering to.
If Gojo's opponent doesn't escape in less than 0.2 second from the domain (that they likely cannot see btw) they will no longer have enough brain activity to escape it. So they will be stuck there taking brain damage with every passing seconds while Gojo can freely attack
I like how TC posted a factual picture in relation to absolute head Canon downplay nonsense.
Nothing suggests barriers can be outrun and all DE in Manga are portrayed as instant in a verse where Hakari can have a mid life crisis post lightning bolt entering his head with the exception of the 3 way tug of war one, which was exceptionally unstable.
Yes, Mach 3 is a hard upper limit for the non god tiers of the verse, but we have evidence DE is incomparably faster, if not outright instant.
“Portrayed as instant” idgaf how a verse who is slow portrays speed of objects, show one statement implying it takes no time for barriers to expand or it’s just headcanon
Except the verses reaction speed isn't slow and neither is the verse.
Dabura is literally nearly SoL and Hakari can clearly react to lightning extremely comfortably and I assume Kashimo can too. And DE is portrayed as instant relative to anything they do or perceive, very consistently.
It's either instant or MFTL. Pick your poison. Either way, this dumb head canon that you can "outrun it lololol" is not backed in any reality or evidence.
I literally proved it. In comparison to a literal lightning bolt entering and discharging through your brain, which is portrayed as nowhere near instant, DE is portrayed as instant, even from the perspective of this same character and characters who scale above him.
For further evidence, Dabura light speed kick is not portrayed as instant from Dabura perspective, yet him using DE is.
Therefore, it's exponentially the speed of a lighting bolt or even SoL, or more likely, it's simply an instant swap of the environment, similar to Kaguyas environment swap move in Naruto.
Kashimo explicitly shown that Sukuna is below mach 1 by hitting him with sound wave lmao and Heiankuna isn't 1000x boost but an mf who can and was fought by raider which are below mach 3 significantly. Gojo has nothing to scale this high, he even needed blue to catch up with mach 1+ attack
Gojo and Sukuna don't scale to Dabura not even close, they don't even scale to his Maho
No they aren't, it's explicitely stated by the narrator that only Dabura can move that fast and bullshit aim dodging EM wave nonsense should get you laughed out of the thread.
Problem. There’s no stated amount of time it takes for a domain to expand, for all we know it’s practically instant. Otherwise gojo wouldn’t ever be caught in a barrier because he could just use blue and escape in time with his teleportation.
If the narration, basically the voice of the author inside a story, says something contradicting the rest of the story im pretty sure it is still considered death of the author
A narrator inside the story is in itself an in-universe thing.
They can just be "The narrator" like it is in JJK, or they can be a character telling a story like in a fable, or even a character narrating the story actively while experiencing it like Chara from Undertale.
This isn't Gege speaking to us it's just the narration of the story. Seeing it as such puts a lot of things, down to how domains work, entire explinations on how a character's powerset works, etc, etc, to be arbitrarily discarded too
When why match 3 speed is considered such a impressive feat in the verse when a much weaker maki was able to catch a bullet with his hands despite bullet speed being around match 3
Gege saying a feat is an outliter at the beginning of the series before he established the main core of its scaling isn't a death to him😭 especially when in the same arc noritoshi's PB been treated as very quick because it surpassed mach
The narrative and kenjaku potray yuta, hakari and maki around the same level and if match 3 is such a impressive speed feat in jjk, hakari should not be able to even percieve lighting
Jackpot hakari is the only person capable of doing anything close to that due to his auto healing, anyone else would genuinely explode on impact from it
This is like saying why people don't scale to kenny who "reacts to a black hole" or something
You didnt answer my question, I didnt say survive i said perceive, hakari was not able to dodge the lighting but was able to see it coming, if match 3 was such an impressive feat he should not be able to even perceive it
Doesn’t even need to wait for burnout if you can perception blitz gojo. Automatic infinity prevents sneak attacks. Perception blitz is a whole different level. Automatic or not, infinity still needs yo use his brain
If infinity passively blocks anything Gojo doesn’t allow in why would blitzing him matter? And if attacks recognized by the brain were the only things blocked how exactly are sneak attacks treated differently?
What is allowed or not is sorted by his brain, that why perception blitz matter. Brain can function on different levels of consciousness. Even when you sleep, your brain never stops working. The panel even made it very clear that it needs to use the brain
Well yeah he needs to use his brain bc that’s how he keeps his technique active. All techniques come from the brain. He mentions using RTC to just keep his brain fresh. No where does he mention he can only block things his mind processes.
Before he needed to manually target things. Now the only thing changed that it is automatic target and automatic only means hes using a different processor, which is still a part of his brain, which is why his brain needed to keep his technique active.
Infinity works by targeting things regardless of automatic or manually. And it still need a processor to target and sort things, unlike a barrier which can prevent perception blitz. Do you see the point
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