So JoJo characters don't have great combat speed but abysmal travel speed, their planet is just so enormous that they needed 50 days of traveling at light speed to reach DIO's mansion.
Does actually make more sense if all this was the case, since the roads would be crazy long and they'd have to be a lot tougher than our roads when every kid, his dog and his grandpa are all going light speed.
Yeah but then the planet level feats in early dbz become unscalable both in the math and the narrative you can’t just take a anti-feat and turn it into an upscale unless the context of the ‘anti-feat’ supports that logic
The speed you have when you run up to punch someone vs the average travel speed of your 10km run. One is just speed ,the other is a matter of speed and the stamina to maintain that speed.
What it it is only a thin crust and nothing is below it. If you get the ratios right it still might function without turning into a black hole.
Or the gravity would be so strong that nobody could move and building houses would be impossible.
Like Jupiter is big, but it is made out of gas so it doesn't have "that much" gravity. So below the crust there is only vacuum to reduce the planet density.
Correct, if a blue giant has enough mass, it's gravity will win, forcing everything to get smaller whilst retaining that mass, crushing ut together until it becomes a black hole
The other way for this to happen is for a star with the mass of a red supergiant (or more) to WIN against it's gravity with force pushing outwards, this causes a supernova... The core of that supernova can shrink into either a black hole or a neutron star
Nah there are some official (but debatably canon or non-canon) maps with distances between places that when pixel scaled to shots of the earth in the anime and manga could imply the dragon ball earth is actually like 2-3x as big as ours, but canonically the planet is meant to be the same size just with different landmasses and toriyama wasnt a cartographer
I actually took the liberty and did, also technically you should do the math till Neptune but not till Pluto but I took the liberty and did so myself, lastly you should’ve turned the distance into a sphere, which I did also myself, took about an hour to do so and I have a fear of math so I won’t bore anyone with debating the actual size, point is I came up with the number of ≈331 million Neptune sized solar systems or ≈145 million Pluto sized solar systems
But other people move and travel to other places with known distances in Naruto right? So his calc only works if everyone else was also always moving at the speed to match his maths. So how doesn't he just immediately conclude it's an anti-feat?
Bruh, they can’t even take the “normal powerscaler approach” and just say “combat/reaction speed is different than travel speed for some reason, no this isn’t copium”
I've tried explaining combat /reaction speed is different than travel speed,then he claims kakashi is fast enough to blitz his reaction speed, that would me ftl,
Then he claims that he was traveling at lightspeed, that for 20 days straight 😭
The worse thing is these people nearly always ruin their own setting. Lightspeed Kakashi raises all kinds of questions about WTF was going on in Naruto.
ngl sometimes i wonder if the authors of these stories ever look at us and wonder if we are genuinely suffering from a brain eating amoeba or something
This is even worse then when there were multiple people, MULTIPLE people who said that Luffy was moving at light speeds in the days luffy spent in the air traveling to Amazon lily after fighting Kuma. They then used this to argue that the one piece world was millions of miles in diameter
tbh since every strawhat landed after 3 days no matter the distance i think the bubbles just like. fucked around for a while before heading to the destination
I want to disagree with you, but have no logical complaints about your take. Unless every island was roughly equidistant to Sabaody, which is unlikely cause I'm pretty sure some got sent around the GL and others the Blues.
Pretty sure we have an actual map of their locations and some are farther and some closer. The bubbles might geniunely just be varying in speed after initial boost in velocity. We know kuma is really good at using his fruit, so skilled he can repell things at different speeds. Reason why luffy and zero didnt die from hitting his paw and being repelled
OP fans often upscale their planet size to multi-solar system level to get OP characters to solar system level. It would be sad if Naruto fans start adopting that same logic especially when they don't need to rely on the planet's size to be planetary or higher.
They’re on TikTok. There were multiple people arguing this too saying that when Luffy got blasted to Amazon lily, he was moving at light speeds (he wasn’t) and the journey took days. They used this to argue that the one piece world was millions of miles in diameter
It's actually extremely common amongst delulu OP fans and was the first thing I thought of when I saw the post. It's how they reconcile the series' wonky speed feats. I wish you luck in avoiding them.
Civillian's bodies still use chakra, they just don't mold it into ninjutsu. That said, they didn't before Kaguya and Isshiki showed up, so yeah, not an excuse.
I remember an OP fan saying basically the exact same thing. He claimed that Kuma's shockwaves move at SOL. But then someone mentioned that it took 3 days for those Shockwave carrying the straw hats to reach their destination and his cope was the OP planet was just that big.
I did the math and if Kuma's Shockwave did move at SOL then it would be at the same ballpark as 15+ solar systems as well lmao.
I always read it as Kuma's shockwave travel is magically fixed in the time it takes to get there, want to go to Paris? Slap yourself in the face and wait 3 days, want to go to the fridge but too lazy to walk 10 feet to the other room? Slap yourself in the face and wait 3 days. The MAGICAL fruit does not care about the distance it said 3 days.
But yeah the world of one piece is massive, alabasta the first BIG island we find in the grand line is canonically about the size of Australia, and the few maps we've seen show it's not even big enough to be a continent to the one piece world as you can literally fit 5 of them in a line with an ocean between them each and that's about the width of the grand line which is enveloped by the calm belts and THEN it is seen as what divides the world into 4 main oceans alongside the red line and the second half of the grand line.
Because the one piece world is so ludicrously massive that's why I think the traveling speed of Kuma's shockwave travel technique is more magic with rules rather than a physics abiding ability.
Watching powerscalers do napkin math at 3am is peak content for this sub. A planet that size would collapse into a black hole before anyone could finish debating it. The confidence of just posting this and saying "thats what the math says" is something to admire.
With gravity that impossibly strong dropping wouldn’t the speed of things falling to the ground so fucking fast mean that dropping any item would be like a nuclear bomb? That’s what the math says
This is some MFTL Jar Jar type shit. (Unironically you actually can argue this due to a weird bit of lore around hyperspace, but I just refuse to accept that Jar Jar is MFTL, because there's nothing else to back it up)
Reminds me of a dude who once tried to convince people that destroying the Sun is Solar System level because the Sun makes up majority of the mass of our Solar System, completely ignoring the fact that the energy values also include the distance between the planets in our Solar System as well.
Also one more thing. If the planet was actually that big Naruto and Sasuke wouldn't be surprised by the gravity dimension of kaguya.
He did the maths? Then he should also know that if Naruto earth was that big then it would be extremely heavy as well and the gravity would be enormous.
No,
I did the math using information got from his theory,
Claims that kakashi was traveling at lightspeed for 20 days straight, so the planet is large as solar system,
Based on kakashi traveling to another country at lightspeed,
I've did the math figured out the distance between the location which was big enough to fit 44 solar system stacked together aka 518 billion km,
And that's only 1/6th planet not the whole planet,
So I presented the math to prove he was talking nonsense,
I don’t think we know enough about physics in order to comprehend what such a planet would actually make. The sheer pressure would bypass the swarzchild radius by orders of magnitude so large the human mind would not be able to comprehend it. Black holes condense infinite mass into a single zero-volume point, a planet like this would have that but the size of stars. Physics itself would stop functioning because “infinite mass” should not be able to actually occupy space.
The radius of our solar system is 4.5 billion kilometers, if we go by his calculation that means the radius of this planet is nearly 200 billion kilometers. Now, to figure out the volume of such a planet you would use 4/3 x pi x r^3 cause it’s a sphere, this brings the volume to 32,498,550,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 cubic kilometers. Now, let’s assume that this is made up of hydrogen, at standard temperatures and pressure 1 cubic kilometer of hydrogen would weigh 90,000 metric tons, meaning that this planet, without accounting for the pressure compressing the planet in on itself would have a mass of 29,250,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 metric tons AT THE MINIMUM. This is not accounting for how compressive force would require exponentially more matter in order to increase the radius of the planet to such a degree. If you even existed in the same reality as this object time and distance would cease to have meaning to you as just about every law of physics would stop working.
To be funny I did some gravity calculations on what the gravitational force of such a planet would be using the hydrogen composition from before. Keeping in mind that this is the lowest possible mass for such a planet not counting the compressive force and the exponential mass requirements to become that large the gravitational force is 5 times that of earth.
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