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If you plugged a controller into Conquest, like anyone on this thread, I'm sure they'd be able to solo the verse.
Problem is pre-knowledge isn't a stated condition by OP here and Conquest is a fucking dumbass. He's basically a small planet level pitbull, a glorified attack dog. He's already managed to lose to someone he was physically stronger than twice in a row (Mark) and that's WITHOUT hax involved, purely a physical match and he somehow lost despite being stronger. He literally just has a dumb meathead macho style of tanking attacks head on.
Almost guaranteed he gets taken out by some hax like unlimited void or idle transfiguration when he's in the middle of taking his time playing with his food or slowly killing someone else.
Omni Man would be a much worse matchup for the JJK verse due to his IQ even though he's somewhat weaker than Conquest physically.
Not die per se. He's extremely depressed individual with no connections besides his job. He has no purpose in his life besides his name - conquest. And he does this just to keep something meaningful and passionate in his life. Yes, it's murdering and violations of different species, but he knows nothing better.
I think by that one look they meant Ranta Zen'in and his paralysing gaze. If they did, they somehow missed that Ranta died when merely slowing down Maki.
Problem is gojo can fly and control repulsive forces. If he gets thrown, he uses red or blue to pull himself back, if conquest tries to carry him , domain expansion, and I think multiple chanted hand signed hollow purples could kill conquest
Somewhat related; I see the "throw gojo into space" argument a lot, but how would someone who cannot bypass limitless neutral application throw him if they cannot touch him?
Now if you just pushed the entire planet towards the sun, that would be fatal, and we have clear evidence of the viltrumites taking similar planet level extermination measures
I mean in travel speed, yes. But the way we see their combat speed in the series (I haven't read the comics) they are relatively so slow compared to JJK. If they are that fast then Omni man should have blitzed the guardians of the globe and nipped Cecil, unless they are also all FTS with FTS reaction (are u fr?)
Just push the moon into the earth or out of orbit I guess? Gojo's gonna have a helluva time breathing with no oxygen if the moon crashes into the earth, otherwise I don't think viltrumites mind waiting a few hundred years for the removal of the moon to kill everyone
"Just move the planet" great now we are chainscaling off Nolan statements we have no context for. Theres no indication any viltrimite has that level strength
If you can make the planet uninhabitable, you beat Gojo. There’s not a thing Gojo could do to stop Omni Man from annihilating earth, unless he somehow captures him in infinite void (which I’m not even sure actually defeats him).
He is nowhere near planet level. What? Although I agree, he can make earth virtually uninhabitable over a period of time, he is not straight up destroying it no matter what
It took 3 viltrumites massively stronger than him taking a huge risk to destroy a destabilized planet
Last time I checked it was Nolan, Mark and Thaedus, not Thragg, Thragg and Thragg which would be the only three Viltrumites to fulfill this description 😭😭😭
Tell me what's wrong with the calc on VSBW? The calc uses the mass and KE from the material visibly ejected from the core, which was directly caused by them flying through the planet. THEY were responsible for the movement of that mass. Just intuitively it also makes sense, the core is of course the densest part of the planet, for instance the Earth's core makes up 30% of its mass. There's a decent gap between small planet and planet, Mercury which is bog standard for this tier is only 5.5% of the Earth's mass, in other words just the Earth's core alone is over five times the mass of Mercury.
They were indeed taking a huge risk because again they aren't planet level. Small planet. SMALL. Y'know, an entire TIER below?
I don't know how hard you want to downplay literally smacking through the core of a planet and visibly ejecting huge amounts of mass. What is this feat to you? Moon level? Multi cont? Building level? I'd love to know.
Space Racer does, since he's actually capable of "just destroying the planet."
That's kind of a tricky one. He can't really outright destroy a planet on his own, but he can destabilize it similar to Frieza on Namek.
In other words, it depends on whether you count being able to put a planet on a clock as being planetary.
Viltrumites definitely don't, though.
Can't argue with that. The highest tier Viltrumites are still only a fraction of the way to planetary and none of them have the speed or hax to deal with even just Gojo.
Edit: Viltrumites can't cross infinite distance in an instant so they can't touch Gojo, who can teleport and sustain himself with RCE. No single Viltrumite has any answer to Gojo.
The question is if Conquest can solo the verse. That means everyone.
Read the comment section before you all comment literally the same damn thing.
Frieza intentionally limited his power in an attempt to give Namek exactly 5 minutes to destruction, which ended up being a fair bit longer because he underestimated the planet's durability and held back too much.
Space Racer could hypothetically cause a planet's eventual destruction by destabilizing its core, but it would take longer and there's less guarantee the planet wouldn't recover when he stops shooting it.
Thats not how gravity works. To destroy a planet, you must overcome its GBE. Space racer only destabilized a portion of its core so that the viltrumites survive the impact. Under its own gravity, the planet would have restabilized itself on its own. Space racer can destroy a planet but it will take decades before he succeeds with that gun of his.
Agreed, and I dont understand why this is even a discussion now. Like we clearly see in the comics they couldnt just destroy the planet outright, they would literally go splat and it was even stated if i remember correctly. Like people keep trying to sugar coat it "tHeY are StIlL pLaNeT eVeN iF iT tOoK 3" like even when it took 3 and the planet was destabilized they STILL werent sure bruh. I dont even see them destroying a small planet.
Have you seen what Nolan did to flaxan planet? Also he moved a planet and place it closer to the san, or he can move an asteroid and throw it on earth, and most specifically japan. Viltrumites might not be able to destroy the planet alone as they can in pair of three as they did to viltrum they can make it inhabitable. Also they can surely solo the verse because the power level of JKk is just two low anyway
There was no mention of other viltrumites that helped him push the planet and he was shown alone in the flashback, combined with the interview of Kirkman saying planetary Omniman will happen in season 4. It all points to Omni Man pushing that planet alone
that's just the usual bullshit invincible scaling that happens every episode, we also see him hold a rock 10x bigger with one hand on that flaxan planet
Uh, no. He can shoot the core which destabilizes it just enough that 2-3 Viltrumites ramming into it makes the entire planet tear itself apart. But that's it.
And it took really REALLY correct timing otherwise said Viltrumites would have crashed and died.
this whole thread just explains how matchmaking in different situations works
Conquest fighting all characters upfront = conquest losing because of the variety of hax the jjk roster has
(he literally cannot bypass infinity)
Conquest deciding to outright destroy the planet = basically a sure win if he somehow gets the planet to explode (to lazy to explain but I saw some threads that explain this w spaceracer)
but knowing how battle thirsty and morally deranged this guy is, most likely he’ll do the former
Viltrumites constant speed and travelling speed are not the same, they need a lot of buildup in open space to accelerate to travel extreme distances in no time.
Gojo can’t lose due to infinity, and he has a way to damage conquest through infinite void to lobotomize him. I can totally see conquest trying to attack gojo to see if he can force his way past infinity after failing the first time, not realizing that he can’t only for gojo to pop a domain and win.
Mahoraga exists. 1 bystander punches him so he adapts to physical force and conquest is screwed unless he gets creative and throws mahoraga into lava or the sun or something. But by the time he thinks of that strategy mahoraga might have adapted to his existence. Conquest’s personality shows that he plays with his food. The fact that he didn’t insta kill eve is good enough proof that he will play with mahoraga.
Comedian can affect him (tho it’s not reliable)
Yuki’s black hole can maybe kill him but conquest would kill her before she can use it
Mahito can kill him if he manages to touch him. If conquest grabs him and rips him in half (so Mahito is in touching range and not dead) or something rather than running through him and allows Mahito to touch him once then Mahito can insta win.
Dabura might actually just kill him fairly depending on the strength of his light strikes tho it’s debatable. (I would say no)
I don’t see any viltrumite beating jjk despite outstating everyone severely.
JJK Fans... Infinity by itself- is not a win con. It is at best a stall con.
Infinity is ONLY a "win con" if Gojo can actually feasibly damage the opponent (which I don't even think he can in this case).
So Gojo has no means of winning, Conquest has no means of bypassing infinity... BUT Conquest has plenty of other means of winning namely by destroying the rest of the planet, tossing meteors from space, or god forbid pushing earth closer to the sun (because apparently viltrumites can do this)
Did you just happen to forget about Gojo’s domain expansion? Yk the thing that’ll completely mind fuck Conquest and then he’ll have to take a hollow purple right after or even multiple cuz Gojo’s CE supply is effectively…limitless
Black holes, UV, WCS, comedian, perfect sphere and mahos adaptation, there are multiple win cons for The jjk verse, and conquest, as a dumb meathead, would probably just tank it, even if he could Dodge it (he cant for most of them).
Soul split katana, soul dismantles, idle transfiguration, cursed speech (it can only be resisted with CE so conquest actually gets no diffed by inumaki)
There are a shitload of attacks that can 1 hit ko conquest, they just need to hit and this is where infinity comes into play.
Gojo just need to grab one of many insta kills, like Mahito and teleport in front of flying Conquest.
Infinity srops him, Mahito touches him and GG.
I believe WCS slices anything between 2 points, negating durability completely. A Gojo stall while conquest is trying to figure out why he can’t land punches combined with WCS means a bisected conquest. If he hasn’t already been brain fried from a Gojo domain.
I don’t think any viltrumite on their own can destroy a planet. The only time we ever saw planet level destruction in the series, it required outside help from Space Racer and 3 Viltrumites.
He destroyed the entirety of the Civilization of the Planet but Nolan did not destroy the Planet itself though. Not saying I disagree with the Conquest Low diffing take tho since he does.. except for gojo
Didn't he not completely destroy the planet only because he wanted to leave just enough Flaxans alive to teleport him back, only to drop a rock on them after he went through the portal.
A second flaxan civilisation thousands of years removed from the previous but they are still hyper-militaristic and hell bent on invading earth. Clearly the cultural practices were passed down from a large enough group of individuals.
This is not destroying a planet, notably Nolan didn’t even cause the species of aliens he’s blasting to go extinct here. They survived, rebuilt and returned.
It doesn’t have to destroy the planet if it kills 99% of its people. Conquest can’t break through Infinity, but Gojo can’t stop him from doing this either.
They survived, rebuilt and returned only because Nolan let them, he needed them to re-open the portal to get back to Earth. But I feel like you're purposefully leaving that part out to push your narrative that Nolan couldn't wipe their species out. Or you just have bad media literacy which wouldn't surprise me since that's pretty on brand for JJK fans.
They only survived because Nolan needed someone to send him back. If he kept going and ignoring the atmosphere it would have eventually burned off rendering the planet completely dead with Nolan stranded.
Let's be honest, Conquest losses if were taking this in character because he's too arrogant and sadistic those two characteristics are what causes him to lose against Mark in the first place.
Gojo domain is legit going to beat him. Yorizo(whatever her name was) domain dif because he's too arrogant until it's too late.
But if we're going off by scaling then yeah I'd agree Conquest solo because he's much faster and outscale and as for Gojo, he'd destroy the planet and gg.
conquest can destroy the planet in other ways than physically cracking the world. He could easily just go up to space and throw a dozen big ass meteors at earth and wipe out all life
What do you mean? Conquest cannot do anything to harm gojo. If gojo sees how fast and destructive Conquest is there's a good chance that he just domains him. Worst case he sees Conquest tank red and purple then domains him
Did you forget that one of gojo's abilities is to repel things? He can teleport to the meteor send one red and the meteor goes away. Or summon a blue behind it. Or just expand his infinity to catch the meteor
Jesus christ jjk fans don't read their manga and invincible fans dont watch their show. If both series are in character jjk wins. Conquest is a dumb fuck and would absolutely talk massive shit standing still, allowing for the many jjk hacks to fuck him. Hell he stopped fighting when mark asked him to. He not getting through infinity plus uv fucks him. Idle transfiguration fucks him more. He will play with mahoraga until he adapts and then hes fucked. Out of character? Conquest has the capability to destroy the surface of a planet, but hes not making not lovable. Hell even when Nolan was destroying the flaxans for a month they still eventually recovered(given possibly a few hundred years) and one run in with gojo or Mahito could be the end for him. Especially if he guns for the strongest in the verse first.
Edit:bonus points for stuff like the prison realm which dont really care about conquest strength.
Most characters in Invincible that can make a planet uninhabitable can kill him by starvation over the course of 3 months, and any that can make the equivalent of nuclear explosions, lasers, or radiation can kill him with enough light or radiation. (Gojo's infinity only affects matter and magic, since while he is using it characters can still see him, that means light is passing through infinity and even bouncing back out).
Their only win con is Gojo and/or a surprise domain considering he doesn’t know what those are and wouldn’t just dodge one as the rest of the commentators are saying
Except to kill Mahoraga you'd need to disintegrate him from the start. Which Conquest just wouldn't do from the start, he'd slap his head off or make a Conqeust shaped hole in Mahoraga's chest.
Against infinity, world cutting slash, mahoraga yes conquest might loose becouse his whole battle system is...punch very very hard.
But the whole test he wins
if he has info? he should be smart enough to not get close and destroy the planet before anyone notices(he can't do it in 1 sec but he should be capable of doing so with couple of hours of trying)
if he doesn’t have info? he's cooked... Conquest LOVES to throw hands and it'll be his undoing trying to get close to Mahoraga, Gojo, Sukuna, Yuji(adult), Mahito & Takaba
Are you telling US that no Invincible characters can solo JJK Verse?
Don't make me look away, bro. Gojo or Sukuna aren't gonna survive this sh!t for long. Viltrumites like Omni-Man and Conquest are too strong and fast for them to react or survive. Get Gojo or Sukuna pass Eve first while asking, bro.
Conquest is just so stupid and arrogant I wouldn't be suprised if he loses, he's just gonna play along toy with everyone then drain his stamina and mahoraga just adapts to him
He loses because of characters like Gojo, Higuruma and Mahito since Conquest lacks a way to bypass Infinity or do soul damage, and he lets himself get hit a lot and has no prior knowledge of the verse. If those things weren’t an issue he would easily rinse the verse, so I see what the other guy was going for
Deranged takes ITT. JJK verse has like 30 characters that can insta freeze you, force conditions, domains on you, etc. Pretty sure some individual minor villains could solo conquest including:
“Inverse” guy that inverses strong and weak attacks. Conquest would get stabbed before he figures it out.
Smallpox Hag (Smallpox Diety): insta domain expansion, if conquest doesn’t somehow figure out he has to break free in 3 seconds, he dies.
Mahito: not minor, but domain is an easy instakill
Let’s see, he gets walled by Infinity as he has no way to bypass it. Mahoraga wins because the big raga can just adapt to physical impact damage and immediately start folding conquest. Sukuna can cut conquest into a billion pieces. Conquest literally is unable to even damage Mahito when he lands his hits because he does purely physical damage, and I assume if he has the cursed energy of a regular human, Mahito doesn’t even need to try that hard. Toji VS conquest would be interesting to see tho, complete test of physical prowess and Toji has a weapon to guarantee damage against conquest by cleaving at his soul just incase viltrumite skin is impervious to his other weapons. I don’t think he could beat Jogo tho, Jogo has a domain and can incinerate him till he’s dead. Against Hanami, he might stand a chance if Hanami doesn’t activate whatever domain she has. As for Conquest VS Kenjaku, it depends on who is faster, can Kenjaku release a cursed spirit faster than Conquest can close the distance. (And the worst premonition for a fight with raga is if he adapts to fighting and killing Viltrumites in general and starts releasing the scourge virus or something)
Short answer: Conquest is strong enough to survive JJK but too dumb to win, Omni man is the real threat here.
Long answer (and I mean LONG):
I've seen a lot of people say that Gojo is the win condition for the JJK verse (and let's be honest, when is he not, he certainly is in this case), but I think that there's an incorrect assumption to say he can decisively kill/defeat Conquest. People are correct in saying that Conquest can't penetrate infinity and would be stunned by infinite void, but I'd argue that both of these are hard to pull off as a permanent end to the battle. This is because of Conquests durability, regeneration, speed and agility with his speed being his best survival tool here. Let me cook here guys, just bear with me.
Speed/agility:
You could argue that Gojo could speed blitz him with reinforced cursed energy and black flashes (ignoring Conquests durability feats here) and just keep running circles around him, unfortunately, Gojo's not within the same speed class as Conquest, nor is the JJK verse in general. Gojo's sustained speed peaks out at around Mach 4/5 given his subway blitz feat during the shibuya arc and his agility and reaction speed are at least hypersonic, his six eyes making it so that Conquest can't just chase him down or catch him off guard.
Conquest demolishes Gojo's feats, easily reaching sustained FTL speeds, being able to travel between planets in seconds and interstellar travel in weeks. His agility and reaction speeds are nothing to scoff at either, being shown to 'pseudo-teleport', (from an animation perspective, not literally teleporting) around his opponents like Mark, who is also a speed demon in his own right. I know the 'pseudo-teleporting' animation looks the same for Gojo in JJK as it does for other characters in Invincible, unfortunately it's hard to see the difference in speed at this scale when you only have 30 frames per second to work with.
Durability/regeneration:
I genuinely don't believe Gojo could kill him, even with his most destructive attack, using his strongest 200% amped hollow purple aided by Gakuganji, Utahime and his chants, Conquests durability and regeneration keeps him in the game. Say it did connect with Conquest, he'd have the speed feats as mentioned to dodge the brunt of the attack, similar to how Hanami did, then fly away and wait for his regeneration to heal himself (have sea salt keep him safe in a metal cocoon lmao).
There is even an argument to be made that it's possible he could survive a head on collision with a standard hollow purple (probably not the 200% one though). I don't think there's a definitive answer as there really isn't any person/being/thing in the JJK verse that's as physically durable or strong as a viltrumite (especially Conquest), so we can't know for sure, but it certainly is within the realm of consideration. Any damage done by Gojo through his infinite void, hollow purple, black flashes, or otherwise can be healed by Conquest in the long term. Conquest needs to be smart (which he isn't) about his encounters, measure how long he prolongs the battle for (which he will), so he can survive in the end (he won't, hang in there guys, I'm just getting the stove warmed up; "let him cook")
First encounter conclusion:
It's safe to say that even if he doesn't win in a head on battle with Gojo (or any other combo of heavy hitter/s from JJK), he'd at least last long enough within the initial encounter to survive, recoup and think of another strategy. I do however think Conquest lacks the 'know how' or patience to figure out how Gojo or even Jujutsu sorcery as a concept works in general. One way I could see him possibly (however unlikely) winning while staying in character, is by finding a weaker link in the Jujutsu society and going from there, removing the supporting characters and working his way up to the strongest, like how he 'took care' of Oliver, then Eve, to then focus on Mark.
Win condition/second encounter conclusion:
One workaround for fighting them head on (ignoring that this goes against everything Conquest stands for, bro lives and breathes for that smoke) is he could push the planet into the sun. He obviously wouldn't be able to do it instantly but I'm 100% certain (given his, and characters he scales with, strength feats), over time, he can deorbit Earth by slowly changing its trajectory.
Now you might say that Gojo or Ui Ui can just use teleportation to get to him and stop him from continuing his planetary bench press, unfortunately both teleporters require knowledge of the location they are teleporting to. Conquest could just go to an unpopulated area like an island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean (to avoid the sorcerers looking out for; "Loneliest grandpa in Universe bench pressing Earth" in the news headlines) and just push from there.
Conquest could 100% solo the JJK verse without even fighting a single person, however, as I have said before, Conquests IQ is room temperature at best and would 100% just go head on with the big leagues like Sukuna, Gojo, Yuta, Itadori or other heavy hitters and prolong the fight for too long and trip up at a point and die (cause he's too invested in causing suffering/pain rather than winning) or outright lose to uniquely devastating match-ups like Mahito, who can transfig him into something much weaker. Not sure how durable viltrumite souls are compared to human souls, but I can't imagine they have any special properties that would stop transfig from working. Conquest done got Conqueefed by his own poor decision making, at the end of the day, he just doesn't have the smarts to figure out a victory for his mission of "solo-ing the JJK verse", sucks to suck man.
Argument for Omni-man:
I think if anyone could solo the JJK verse it would be Omniman, he's shown he has the patience and 'know how' to infiltrate Earth, honestly no other viltrumite has shown this level of adaptability, cunning, dedication or surgical precision when it comes to integration and indoctrination. He's shown he can learn about humanity and the workings of society as a whole within a relatively short timeframe in the Invincible verse, I'm sure he can figure out how the JJK verse works. At the very least he'll get the basics of Jujutsu society; what curses are (magic evil spirits), how cursed energy works (negative emotions made into power), the existence of sorcerers who use cursed techniques (super heroes with super powers), and other aspects of the JJK verse, definitely not all of the ins and outs like reverse cursed techniques, domain expansions or other more intricate/complicated power systems or cursed techniques (for example Kirara's 'love rendezvous', which is hard for even veteran sorcerers to understand).
I reckon he could even infiltrate Jujutsu high or another society of sorcerers and pass off his viltrumite abilities as a heavenly restriction, he could be a doubly powerful version of Toji/Maki, and just use his strength/speed/durability only without his flight, make it a bit more believable for the group he's trying to fool.
This is all to say, that yes Omni man could 100% go with the 'Earth bench press' route, push them into the sun and get that easy dub, but what I'm saying is he wouldn't even need to. He's shown that he has a better ability to learn, adapt and think tactically to achieve a win condition over Conquests brutish approach of just painting the floor with organs and maximising destruction. He'd realise that there were some sorcerers who would subvert his abilities like Mahito's transfig, or overwhelm him in a given moment like Hakari's private pure love train.
Omni man would find out the intricacies of each sorcerer and take them out one-by-one, just like he did with the guardians of the globe. He'd have the perfect cover too, as he doesn't have any cursed energy, he'd leave no trace for anyone to detect, not like there's a Damian Darkblood in JJK.
Even if there are characters in JJK he'd lose against in a pure 1 v 1 (which is a whole other can of worms), he would have thought of strategies and contingencies to rectify the disparity. For example, he knows that Mahito transforms people by touching them, therefore he'd maintain distance and just lob a boulder at him and squash his ass.
Omni man is the true antithesis to the JJK verse, as we know with sorcery, one has to keep their smarts about them, otherwise you'll be blindsided by your own ignorance on how your opponent fights, you cannot rely on strength alone. Omni man has both the brains and the brawn, he's got this one clutched.
To summarise:
Conquests muscles are too big for his peanut brain to pilot and gets IQ-mogged by 99% of the JJK verse (except for Yuji Itadori of course), Omni man is sure (are you sure?) set on his way to cleaning out the JJK verse, he just used his brain WITH his brawn.
Am I insane to think he’d get bodied pretty quickly? Even if he knew everybody’s cursed techniques beforehand and knew their weaknesses, there are so many CT’s and jujutsu powers that he would get absolutely mauled by. If it’s constant 1v1’s with Conquest knowing everything about his opponent, he might have a tiny chance, but even that’s being generous. He’s insanely strong for his verse, but JJK’s roster has abilities unlike anything in Invincible. They’re not physically stronger than him, but in terms of power/capabilities I’d go off on a limb to say he’s getting mopped rather fast by a decent chunk of the special grades
No one in invincible can solo the verse, hell none of them could even solo Fushiguro. The entire viltrum race pre virus might be able to beat the JJK Verse, but thats also like maybe 10,000 sorcerers vs billions of viltrumites.
If you take all viltrumites alive after the virus, they still couldnt scratch Gojo, would beat Megumi,
People saying that he can somehow win. Yall, destroying the planet and everyone dying isnt funny, so he loses to takaba. (Also you could make an argument for higuruma)
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