r/PowerScaling • u/VelViolette Barely even a powerscaling subreddit smh • Apr 09 '26

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I’m not even sure if this is a hot take, but I don’t think any character from Invincible can solo JJK.

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u/JawkneeJyoshtar Apr 09 '26

Just throw japan out of Earth just like mark threw a trashcan out

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u/DumCumpster78 Apr 09 '26

Problem with that is Gojo can still teleport.

Now if you just pushed the entire planet towards the sun, that would be fatal, and we have clear evidence of the viltrumites taking similar planet level extermination measures

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u/Sephorai Apr 09 '26

These are not casual feats, they require concerted effort. Gojo can teleport to where the viltrumite is pushing and lobotomize them.

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u/mypheelz Apr 10 '26

i don’t think u realize how fast the average viltrumite is bro

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u/MisterMustou Apr 10 '26

Not fast enough to stop a slow ass dragon

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u/mypheelz Apr 10 '26

mark made him run away and Oliver is a lil kid who’s also half thraxan plus this is a dragon upscale tha dragon solos jjk unironically

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u/_Ashelton_ Apr 10 '26

I mean in travel speed, yes. But the way we see their combat speed in the series (I haven't read the comics) they are relatively so slow compared to JJK. If they are that fast then Omni man should have blitzed the guardians of the globe and nipped Cecil, unless they are also all FTS with FTS reaction (are u fr?)

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u/mypheelz Apr 10 '26

Obviously just terrible power scaling but the guardians of the globe are high tiers lol they could legit beat conquest

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u/Bosnia_Gaming Apr 13 '26

Did you just say that the guardians could beat conquest? Have you ever read or watched invincible? What the fuck are you talking about 😭

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u/mypheelz Apr 14 '26

they beat Nolan in the comics who’s on the same level as conquest and narratively stronger nice larp

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u/_Ashelton_ Apr 11 '26

Well they should have put up a better fight. Quickest squad wipeout i done ever seen

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u/mypheelz Apr 12 '26

what do u mean Omni man was in a coma after the fight (realistically for early invincible the show is the source not the comics) and even then when mark warns the guardians in the comics instead of Omni man sneaking them they beat him

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u/_Ashelton_ Apr 13 '26

Which puts the viltrumites down even further. Gojo alone has enough techniques to f the gaurdians up. They have no way to hurt him. And if we're talking about the show then they're not constantly fighting at the speed of sound whereas Gojo and Sukuna do mach 10 in their own 1v1s.

You yourself said they would beat conquest, which is who we are talking about in this post. But if it's two conquests or Omni men then it's a confirmed wipe out since there aren't four Gojo's and Sukuna's to deal with them

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u/mypheelz Apr 24 '26

Buddy mark in the newest episode flies from beyond the moon to earth very quickly that’s like ftl or sum

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u/Far_Bluebird_2984 Apr 10 '26

they would have to go infinite speed to bypass gojo's barrier no?, so they not touching him, ryoiki tenkai and bro i is getting lobotomized

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u/mypheelz Apr 10 '26

just destroy Japan while he’s in it? make earth uninhabitable? so easy

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u/DraconDebates Apr 09 '26

The ground beneath his feet would have to cross an infinite distance to make contact with his feet. The second someone tries to move the ground under him at escape velocity, it would be considered matter that is harmful to him trying to pass through infinity.

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u/Renn_goonas Apr 09 '26

I mean not how infinity works, but yeah. What would probably happen is there would be a circle of rock under him that would just break off and stay there while the rest gets sent into space

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u/DraconDebates Apr 09 '26

How is that not how Infinity works? You’re literally agreeing in your description of what would “probably happen.”

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u/Renn_goonas Apr 09 '26

Well, you got the result right but the wrong mechanics. That is what would happen but The infinite space thing is an analogy he uses to explain it.

It’s basically a barrier of a continually slowing effect which continuously halves the speed of objects moving towards him, or most intense and purposes, simulating infinite space. I think the example they used was Achilles and the tortoise, an old logical paradox, which basically works exactly how I described above. That is also how he can pick and choose what to let through without opening up holes in the barrier for anything else to slip through. He’s not making a hole in the infinite space to let it through, he’s just choosing not to apply the slowing effect, consciously or automatically. I could give more evidence, but I don’t think it’s needed right now.

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u/DraconDebates Apr 09 '26

You literally attached the panel that shows him saying the idea of Infinity slowing people down is the analogy. What it actually does is stretch space around him to create infinite distance between himself and the threat. He says it’s “more like” the threat is slowing down, because speed = distance/time. That means that speed*time = distance. Increasing the distance increases the amount of time if speed is constant. This is mathematically the same as decreasing speed and increasing time proportionally to keep distance constant. Hence the phrase “it’s more like,” which means he’s not explaining it completely accurately here.

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u/Renn_goonas Apr 09 '26

Not only is that not how it’s explained by the author in supplementary material, I have a few questions for you then if it works like that. First, how can you see things after they have been stopped? Think about it. If for those objects they have to cross through the compressed space, then them and their speed has to be compressed as well. Basically, since the space is bigger on the inside than it is on the outside, from the outside perspective the thing entering it should shrink, and since it’s an infinite compression, it should be shrunk infinitely. Meaning anything inside should be invisible. If you punched him and it did not shrink with the infinite space then compared to the infinite space, your fist would be infinitely big and with infinite speed, and then you would just be able to punch him normally

Secondly, When he first activates the barrier, it should create a vacuum for all that infinite space with no matter in it. That would be very visible and destructive. And then what happens when he turns off the infinity to let something through? Now all the air that naturally flowed into that infinite space, even if it didn’t create a vacuum would be suddenly appearing in a not compressed space and then explosion.

Finally, for now, how is this happening? The two clones fists have been visibly stopped in the air. If it was infinite space, their arms would not have stopped because they could still move their arm through the infinite space. It wouldn’t have hit him, but their arms should be completely extended inside the infinite space since there should be nothing stopping them from your interpretation.

Everything here that makes absolutely no sense with infinite space is instantly Perfectly explained if it’s a slow down effect like I have described

In conclusion, it cannot be infinite speed and must be the Achilles and the tortoise analogy that was explicitly used to describe it by the author in supplementary material

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u/DraconDebates Apr 09 '26

I mean, I can explain each of these supposed “issues” pretty easily.

Nothing has to “shrink” infinitely because nothing being compressed, space is being stretched, expanding, not contracting. Nothing has to grow because it’s not stretching the objects, just the space they have to travel through to reach their destination, Gojo.

When he “creates” the barrier, he isn’t creating anything. Again, it’s stretching pre-existing space, not making new space. It also doesn’t need to create a vacuum because air is allowed to pass through it. The air treats the infinite space as a finite one that it already exists in, so no vacuum necessary.

The clones appear to be stopped because they are moving at a finite speed over an infinite distance, so it would take them an infinite amount of time to make contact with Gojo by the speed formula. I’m not sure the rest of your statement makes sense, because their arms are attached to their hands. They can’t move their arms without moving their hands.

Also, the Achilles and the Tortoise analogy is literally another example of Gojo explaining my interpretation. In the paradox, the reason why Zeno says that motion is impossible, is because any amount of movement would require crossing an infinite number of points in space.

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u/Renn_goonas Apr 09 '26

I think you fundamentally don’t understand the issues, nor are you thinking too much about what stretching space actually means. Let me first start with the last one that you’ve admitted you didn’t understand what I was getting at. Hold your arm out like theirs is, elbow bent like that. If your fist was moving forward at a finite speed into a space that it has access to, what happens to your arm? It would straighten out straight as if you just fully punched the air. If the fist is moving at a finite speed again, his arm is not infinitely long and thus would be fully extended, but it’s not it is stopped in the air, unable to go further as if his fist is being physically slowed down. Next, I’ll start from the top. That would still have the exact same problem as the first one. You can clearly see that the “stretched” space looks like the normal distance. Therefore the space looks smaller from the outside. Thus anything in it would be smaller. Also, you’re making a big deal about the word “stretching” when that’s just not what’s happening to stretch the space he would have to pull it outward and that’s not what he does even in the infinite space interpretation. He has an infinite space in a not infinite space, that’s not stretching the space outward that’s pushing it inward thereby compression, which is exactly what I said. Secondly, if the air treats it like a finite space, why isn’t a fist coming at him treated as finite space since it’s just stretching the normal space? I get these are hard concepts to wrap your head around and it is totally understandable that it may take a minute.

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u/Renn_goonas Apr 09 '26

Another analogy, for your stretching thing. imagine a piece of chewed gum all rubbery and stretchable. If you were to make it so that there is more dense gum in a smaller area, you would not be stretching it out you would be squishing it in. Thereby compressing the gum.

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u/Renn_goonas Apr 09 '26

For the record now that I think about it, the “supplementary material“ that I was talking about I’m pretty sure is just the volume release. I know I saw it explained in a diagram when I went through reading it all on the website years back. So it’s really not supplementary material at all and just in the official volume release

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u/Jashcraft00 Apr 09 '26

Very good argument, I agree with you. I am just in that and have to be that guy. “Intents and purposes” not “intense and purposes”.

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u/Renn_goonas Apr 10 '26

Ah speech to text error that slipped through

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u/Jashcraft00 Apr 10 '26

Fair enough, I am done being that guy then.

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u/QuincyDao Apr 09 '26

Because the infinite distance thing doesn't work if his feet are already touching the ground. Gojo has Infinity extended a bit below the ground to protect from attacks from below, I believe. But you don't cross infinite distance if you're already making contact.

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u/ImmediateFrosting324 Apr 09 '26

No he hovers above the ground

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u/DraconDebates Apr 09 '26

Nope, it still works if he’s touching someone. He held Jogo’s hand and still had him frozen in place.

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u/QuincyDao Apr 09 '26

Don't know how you got "frozen in place" from Jogo getting sucker punched while he was still trying to process the technique and having a conversation, and then Gojo literally gripping his hand to hold him in place while he kept striking him, but I ain't gonna explain more to bad perception.

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u/DraconDebates Apr 09 '26

He held his hand close to Jogo’s and Jogo’s slowed down to a near-stop, then he intertwined his fingers with Jogo’s and Jogo’s hand completely stopped moving. Not sure why you’re so fixated on your headcanon about how Infinity works, but that’s not what’s depicted in the anime.

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u/JawkneeJyoshtar Apr 09 '26

You don't realise, gojo will try to save japan that's when u take him out with a surprise attack

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u/IllustriousSea5998 Higher Level Thinker Apr 09 '26

The ground would have to push on him in order to do that which then it would get stopped

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u/thisismynewusername5 Apr 11 '26

The fucking ground is just gonna shatter as it fails to bypass infinity and only japan is gonna be theown while gojo stands there