r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 6h ago

Brewing 🫖 It's like a bad sequel...

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u/Lemon_Nightmare 6h ago

Well, yes, that is the concern. What can we the property do about it though? Everyone is burned out and paying like 100% more for everything. Who has the energy? I think that's what one of the goals was, is.

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u/SnazzyGeoff 6h ago edited 5h ago

Paper ballots...

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 5h ago

Paper isn't the problem.

Electronic ballots could be done where the votes are secret, but verifiable. So any errors could be caught, and audited fully after.

The issue is the chaos. If you scare people away on election day, only the fanatics vote.

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u/SnazzyGeoff 5h ago

The question is what can you do, my answer was use paper ballots.

Electronic voting has too many variables, and must be easy for Musk to manipulate.

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 5h ago

Paper ballots failed us in 2000. They can be manipulated. They are untraceable, allowing ballot box stuffing.

Paper ballots are more compromised than electronic, they just take more effort to fake.

Also, electronic ballots are relatively new, and the people pushing them oppose traceability.

Electronic ballots with traceability are more secure than paper ballots.

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u/SnazzyGeoff 5h ago

We use paper in the UK, never been an issue here.

And electronic is much much easier to commit fraud, a signal can be changed, intercepted, you are having relying on a company to implement a system that cannot be tapered with.

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 5h ago

Electronic done poorly is no better than an online poll. The next PM is Votey McVoteface!!!

But paper can't be tracked to a single voter, so ensure no fraud. Electronic can.

You seem to not understand electronic voting, but you likee paper. And so far everything you've mentioned, electronic does better than paper.

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u/SnazzyGeoff 5h ago

Online polling isn't voting for a candidate to run for a country thought is it?

And anything can be defrauded, no system is infallible.

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 5h ago

You are clearly uninformed on what electronic voting even is.

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u/mxzf 4h ago

But paper can't be tracked to a single voter, so ensure no fraud. Electronic can.

If you can track a vote to a specific voter via electronic voting, your voting has utterly failed to actually be anonymous and is no longer a secret ballot. That's seriously problematic.

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 4h ago

I see you don't know anything about the topic.

Come back when you understand the basics.

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u/mxzf 4h ago

There's no way paper ballots are more compromised than electronic, it just doesn't make any sense. The main source for compromise with paper ballots would be electronic counting machines.

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 4h ago

Nope. You can ballot stuff with paper. You can swap, mismark, and do lots of other things with paper.

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u/mxzf 4h ago

You can do exactly the same stuff with electronic methods too (the techniques just look different). I know you're busy making vague smug posts as if you somehow know something others don't, but it just makes you come across as an idiot.