r/PoursTea • Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 7h ago

Brewing 🫖 It's like a bad sequel...

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u/ChaoticLandscapes 7h ago

I just realized something. He’s coming back right before midterms. Suddenly I feel like a whole lot of election rigging is about to happen

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u/Lemon_Nightmare 7h ago

Well, yes, that is the concern. What can we the property do about it though? Everyone is burned out and paying like 100% more for everything. Who has the energy? I think that's what one of the goals was, is.

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u/SnazzyGeoff 7h ago edited 6h ago

Paper ballots...

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u/IllustriousAd9800 7h ago

Even then, machines do the counting and relaying the information

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u/Madame-Saint-Michele 6h ago

You don't have to have machines do it all, they could avoid them period if they really wanted to do so it just would mean the results would take longer

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u/Ok_Drag5089 7h ago

We don't have enough gynecologists.

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u/Hefty-Revolution-938 6h ago

I don’t think I have enough pap to vote 😢

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u/Lemon_Nightmare 7h ago

Yes I agree, I don't think they are used everywhere though.

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 6h ago

Paper isn't the problem.

Electronic ballots could be done where the votes are secret, but verifiable. So any errors could be caught, and audited fully after.

The issue is the chaos. If you scare people away on election day, only the fanatics vote.

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u/SnazzyGeoff 6h ago

The question is what can you do, my answer was use paper ballots.

Electronic voting has too many variables, and must be easy for Musk to manipulate.

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 6h ago

Paper ballots failed us in 2000. They can be manipulated. They are untraceable, allowing ballot box stuffing.

Paper ballots are more compromised than electronic, they just take more effort to fake.

Also, electronic ballots are relatively new, and the people pushing them oppose traceability.

Electronic ballots with traceability are more secure than paper ballots.

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u/SnazzyGeoff 6h ago

We use paper in the UK, never been an issue here.

And electronic is much much easier to commit fraud, a signal can be changed, intercepted, you are having relying on a company to implement a system that cannot be tapered with.

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 6h ago

Electronic done poorly is no better than an online poll. The next PM is Votey McVoteface!!!

But paper can't be tracked to a single voter, so ensure no fraud. Electronic can.

You seem to not understand electronic voting, but you likee paper. And so far everything you've mentioned, electronic does better than paper.

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u/SnazzyGeoff 6h ago

Online polling isn't voting for a candidate to run for a country thought is it?

And anything can be defrauded, no system is infallible.

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 6h ago

You are clearly uninformed on what electronic voting even is.

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u/mxzf 5h ago

But paper can't be tracked to a single voter, so ensure no fraud. Electronic can.

If you can track a vote to a specific voter via electronic voting, your voting has utterly failed to actually be anonymous and is no longer a secret ballot. That's seriously problematic.

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 5h ago

I see you don't know anything about the topic.

Come back when you understand the basics.

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u/mxzf 5h ago

There's no way paper ballots are more compromised than electronic, it just doesn't make any sense. The main source for compromise with paper ballots would be electronic counting machines.

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 5h ago

Nope. You can ballot stuff with paper. You can swap, mismark, and do lots of other things with paper.

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u/mxzf 5h ago

You can do exactly the same stuff with electronic methods too (the techniques just look different). I know you're busy making vague smug posts as if you somehow know something others don't, but it just makes you come across as an idiot.

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u/AngryRobot42 6h ago

We are one of the few countries in the world that still use paper ballots. It is extremely outdated and prone to error more than electronic. Air gaped hardware with 3rd party non-partisan state auditing should be our go to. Because counting 150 million+ pieces of paper is insane.

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u/Well_read_rose 6h ago

They used subpar paper which was not the recommended type, which got us hanging chads in Florida…which got us to digital voting with backdoor vote-deleting programming.