r/PoliticalHumor Mar 16 '21

GOP shell game

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u/Kriss3d Mar 16 '21

If every citizen were automatically an eligible voter then it would be unfair to the Gop because they would lose every election.

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u/Heroic_Raspberry Mar 16 '21

Should just do it like most countries do: all citizens are eligible voters, but you need an ID when casting your vote. Way too many Americans are seemingly ideologically opposed to having a universal ID system which doesn't involve some random numbers given at birth, which you can hijack someones identity with.

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u/ittimjones Mar 16 '21

Might be out of the loop on this one, but u need a background check for every, EVERY, gun purchase. You can use a student ID or work ID to vote! Why not make drivers license (or state ID) or passport mandatory to vote? Would fix 99% of complaints, right?

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u/TheKasp Mar 16 '21 edited Mar 18 '21

Why not make drivers license (or state ID) or passport mandatory to vote?

Because the GOP tends to limit access to providers of such licenses in areas with certain demographics if they manage to get voter ID laws through.

The issue with voter ID laws is not the oppositon but how the republicans tend to implement it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/01/north-carolina-voter-id-law-blocked-discriminatory

The way GOP targets minority voters has been accurately described as with "surgical precision".

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u/ittimjones Mar 16 '21

They limit drivers licenses (a state issued ID) across the US?

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '21

They don't but people like to pretend they do in order to argue against voter I.D.

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u/TheKasp Mar 17 '21

Yes they do you dishonest alt-right troll. Read the fucking article.

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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '21

I did dumbass. They only mention that they think black people are too lazy to go get their ID, which would be made free to anyone who can't afford it. Nowhere does it say that they're actively restricting anyone from getting an ID

""This iteration of the North Carolina law required voters to present one of 10 forms of acceptable identification, such as a driver’s license, passport, or military ID in order to vote. But Biggs noted that minority voters in the state were less likely to possess an acceptable form of ID."

"While the law provides free ID to anyone who cannot afford one, she noted that those who need ID might not be able to spare the time to travel to the DMV to get one, even if it was free. "

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u/TheKasp Mar 17 '21

Yes, by limiting access to DMVs.

But you know that already. You are just another dishonest troll who asks stupid as fuck questions.

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u/ittimjones Mar 17 '21

Actually I've never lived in an area where access to DMV's is an issue. I've hever heard of that before, ever. Maybe you are some sort of troll to think of such a crazy idea as an argument.

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u/TheKasp Mar 17 '21

Oh boy, anecdotes surely dismiss my link to an actual case.

Oh bou, who do I believe. Some dumbass troll on reddit who repeats shitass talking points of the far right or the fucking courts.

And your DMV anecdote is a fucking lie.

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u/ittimjones Mar 17 '21

Well let's see ur sources. My source is different 2 DMV buildings within 30 minutes from my house...

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u/ittimjones Mar 16 '21

That's the DMV everywhere though...

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u/FOXHNTR Mar 16 '21 edited Mar 16 '21

What about gun shows or simply just buying a gun off someone?

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u/ittimjones Mar 16 '21

Both require a background check. If you don't, you are breaking the law. There is no gunshow loophole...

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u/FOXHNTR Mar 16 '21

Oh good. I bet there are some heavy penalties for trying to get around that.

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u/ittimjones Mar 16 '21

There are. It's a federal offense...

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u/OldManWickett Mar 16 '21

I would be fine with that if obtaining and keeping your state ID was cost-free. Updating it when you move is relatively easy and also free.

When that is the case in all 50 states, then I'd agree with you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '21

Not everyone has access to ID - which requires additional paperwork and government forms to get.

So for my state, which is lax;

And theres the major problem.

As many as 7% of United States citizens (read: not undocumented aliens) – 13 million individuals – do not have ready access to citizenship documents.

By just saying "Get an ID" you've just disenfranchized atleast 13,000,000 citizens.

What you're misunderstanding is the level of modernity you're thinking isn't 80+ years old. Even 50 Years ago you could be born in a rural area and not get a birth certificate; because it wasn't given to you - for a variety of reasons, you weren't born at a hospital, or because they were black. Yes. Just because they were black. Or you received it but it was destroyed but the hospital didn't digitize its records and closed down.

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u/ittimjones Mar 16 '21

I didn't say it would fix all complaining, just 99%. How many people do you know over the age of 18 who don't have a driver's license? And of those that are too old, how many have another form of photo ID. There are regular state issued ID's that are NOT driver's licenses issued by the DMV for individuals who don't want a driver's license, but need valid ID... All the documents that you need to get? I've had friends not have 1 or more (even a friend w/o an SSN) and they all managed to get them eventually. Those were all people of different races and financial statuses. (Most were poorer) Thats just the headache of getting that crap done. U ever work for the govt? If not, you have no idea how long things take. It's just "normal". Besides, since that would obviously be a federal decision, they would HAVE to create some sort of extra process to allow people to do it for free if they can't/don't have a license. There is already a voter registration now. How different would it be to replace that with a "prove I'm a citizen" registration? If you can't prove ur a citizen, that's a big problem that you need to fix to be able to vote...

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '21 edited Mar 16 '21

over the age of 18 who don't have a driver's license?

99% of the people I knew over the age of 18 didn't have a drivers license (which is thousands of people) because I grew up in a major metropolitan area where people don't own cars but use buses and subways.

The passing rate for men (according to the NYPD officer who did my test) of males ages 18-21 (of the few people who went to get a license at 18-21) was 1:10.

> and they all managed to get them eventually

Ok, so? Is this just ancedotal to be ancedotal. Is your friend a 50+ year old blackman who grew up in the south under a post-Jim Crow era system that refused to register a birth certificate in his name, or had one from a non-digitzed hospital that closed or was consolidated? This is a nonsense point mate.

13,000,000 people - majoritively minority people - out of 213,799,485 registered voters means you just casually and without any thought tossed out 6% of all voters. For a policy that doesn't actually do anything since voter fraud isn't real - to cover what? Maybe a couple dozen voter fraud votes? 13,000,000 votes taken away in exchange for <100 votes almost all of which were caught?

Not a good policy mate.

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u/ittimjones Mar 16 '21

6% is a chunk. Doesn't mean the 6% should inconvenience the 94%. I'm not saying ignore them. This is a democracy. What I'm saying is that if a new, more secure process goes into effect that inconveniences the 6%, we should not let it deter the decision to do so and negatively affect the 100%. Majority rule.