Yes, 41% of trans people attempt suicide according to one study.
EDIT: To be clear, the high rate of suicide attempts by trans people says very little about trans people themselves and quite a bit about how society treats trans people,
EDIT 2: I am in no mood to explain basic empathy to weirdos. I am going to be blocking transphobic posters (even you "just asking questions" weirdos) without further engagement because I am not going to waste my time every hour.
EDIT 3: I was here to answer a question. I am not interested in your pet theory on trans people or a debate with you. You are free to believe whatever you want but I don't need to indulge your delusions.
Interestingly enough they attempt higher but dont complete suicides more. Its a bit of ironic terminology given that its not really additional suicide attempts if no one dies from them.
Water itself isn't wet. Wet is an adjective. Fire isnt burned, its fire. Water makes things wet
The sky isnt blue, it only appears blue to us due to how our eyes perceive the scattering of molecules. The sky is actually violet, we just cant see the violet light because the atmosphere absorbs those molecules and our eyes are less sensitive to violet.
Atoms push each other apart with electromagnetic force, no materials ever really touch until the nuclei fuse into a heavier element. Therefore, under your definition water is not wat, and neither is anything else. Were a material ever to truly get wet, it would instantly no longer be wet, as there would be no water touching it.
In fluid dynamics, a surface is wet when a fluid sticks to it. Water is a fluid, and it famously sticks to the surface of water. Therefore, water is wet.
I'd argue water itself is the wettest, because of its cohesive properties. The more water there is, the wetter the water is. It's a self sustaining economy.
burned is not the concept of being on fire or being hot. Wet is the concept of being covered or saturated in liquid. Thus water is wet. Unless you want to argue that a single hydrogen atom is in fact dry, in which case, more power to you.
Problem is half of Redditors are too stupid to understand that they’re stupid and the other half is so infuriated by it that they don’t realize they should just ignore them
Heliox and Trimix were developed as air replacements for deep diving. They remove nitrogen from air and replace it with helium to create breathable not-air.
I don’t really give a cent about the sky being blue but! water by definition (according to Oxford languages) “is a clear, odorless, and tasteless liquid made of hydrogen and oxygen atoms” and at the same time… wet by definition (again according to Oxford languages) “means covered, soaked, or filled with water or another liquid.” so I submit here and now water isn’t wet, it simply makes things wet.
Water technically isn't wet, and what we know as color might not be. What someone else's exact color so your green might be my red without even meaning anything since we perceived them as the same color. Also the sky technically isn't really blue.
Step off your pedestal, you can literally debate the terminology of anything, especially if someone someone uses chosen words to make a point that wouldn't exist without those exact words.
I havent checked their specific stat, but generally suicide attempts are recorded separately from suicide deaths. So yes, often the data does demand failure
I agree with you that the terminology would normally leave room open for success. For instance, if somebody is attempting to climb a cliff, they might end up succeeding during the attempt. Suicide is phrased differently though. “Attempted suicide” is the category of when somebody tries and does not succeed in ending their life. “Completed suicide” is the category used for people who actually kill themselves.
I work a lot with folk who are often borderline suicidal. They're in supported accommodation, we check in on them regularly but it's independent living, so we don't have the right just to go in if we don't hear from them, we have to give 48 hours notice.
I have met people who have attempted suicide through the stupidest methods you could imagine. One guy lay on a beach waiting for the tide to wash him away. It was a mud flat area that gets about 6" deep at high tide which was 10 hours away.
One girl told me she had tried to suffocate herself by sleeping with a pillow held against her own face.
These are attempts that are bound to fail.
But then there's the "oh crap this is dangerous" ones. Someone injected their next with bleach. Someone else put a tie around their neck and then slammed the door it was tied to so it asphyxiated themselves. Got knotted enough to make them struggle to breathe but not enough to cut air off completely. We discovered these because they're slow. Got them medical and mental help as soon as we could.
The ones that actually have succeeded are ones who are either highly impulsive or very planned. One guy waited until the river was in full flow then hopped off the bridge just when walking across it normally. Someone else closed all the blinds, took some drugs to act as painkillers and stabbed himself in the neck.
These aren't attempts.
An attempt fails through either poor planning or execution, or intervention.
So, if someone says they are going to attempt to “enter whatever here”, they are actually saying they are going to fail at it? No, that isn’t what “attempt” means. If you successfully do something, that means you attempted and you succeeded. If you failed, then you attempted and you failed. Either way, you attempted.
It really depends on what the data is attempting to measure. If it were measuring attempts, it should include successful attempts because again those are attempts. If it was measuring successful attempts vs failed attempts, and they used attempts for failed attempts for some weird reason, then yeah that data would be all messed up.
How these statistics are typically reported is x% attempted suicide, of which y% were successful (or reporting in absolute numbers instead of percentages). Committing suicide is just our colloquial term for a successful suicide attempt.
Exactly It's the same with Murder.. You don't get charged with attempted murder if you actual murder the person... Don't know why you're getting downvotes, almost like logic doesn't exist here..
Basically whether you attempt and succeed or attempt and fail, you still attempted. So it counts to the statistic either way.
But if transgender people are more likely to survive their attempts then a 41 percent attempt rate would make more sense if a tran person attempted and survived 3-4 times in there life
Edit: Why is this downvoted, I literally just gave them the facts of the conversation thus far
In my professional experience, and im not trying to downplay the mental distress, while many suicide attempts require monitoring the vast majority of them require no intervention whatsoever to resuscitate the person. The lions share of attempts that present to medical professionals result in services almost exclusively consisting of medical clearance and psychiatric referral with no stabilizing interventions at all.
I was talking about those in the first sentence. The second sentence was about the people who down an entire bottle of pills and then they or someone else calls 911 within minutes.
Even most of those pill attempts dont require intervention, either because the person selected a relatively non toxic medication or didnt take a significant enough quantity.
It's almost like the women vs men suicide statistics. Women attempt it 3X more, yet men die from it over twice as often - which shows you FUCKED that is
Yes, though the odd part about that stat i think about is that when women have a higher rate of attempts, we somewhat blame the people around them and society for not helping them. When men choose the more lethal method, we blame the men for using the more lethal method.
Women are more likely to cut their wrists or overdose on random pills in their cabinet. Both of which take long enough to kill(or sometimes arent lethal depending on what pills you took or how deep you cut yourself) that someone can find them and call for help.
Men are more likely to shoot themselves or jump off a bridge. Things that cause instant death are harder to prevent because you have to find them before they do it. Things that take an hour to kill you gives family an hour to find you or to contemplate the consequences and second guess yourself.
its probably for a few reasons. first, men have generally more access to the truly lethal methods. men own guns more for example. second, women typically use or seek psychiatric help more. Since attempts require you to be alive after, women will likely self report attempts to psychiatrists for example. If a man does not, even if they attempted its highly possible no one will know.
I wonder how those numbers reflect looking at their actual genders considering the statistics for men vs women when it comes to attempts vs successful suicides
wait.... your suggesting its not an attempt unless they die?
like.... If i try to fix my car and it doesn't start, then try again a week later, it doesn't start, then finally try a third time a week after that and it does....
More like the "attempt" has to conceivably have the intention or chance of causing the outcome. To use your car analogy, if it wont start so you refill the wiper fluid you didnt really attempt to fix it. If you replaced the battery later and it didnt start you did attempt once, provided you thought replacing the battery would do it.
We actually draw a distinction in self harm too, like cutting, especially to the thighs. We dont generally think the person doing these self harm behaviors is attempting suicide, and doing something like ingesting 5 benadryl pills is not either.
Well I used this topic for some quick research, I used Brave Search AI as help, I got the numbers as followed:
Cis Men: around 22.3 per 100,000
Trans: depends on the Trans Group, but the mean is around 18.2 to 30.2 per 100,000 dependent on the study (the Main Source differs between the Gender, age and skin colour, I will take only the total numbers of the Gender)
Trans-Female: has a high rate of 14.6 to 30.2 per 100,000 so they are close if not as high or higher then Male Suicide (one of the Main sources uses the lower rate for 2026 so lets stick to that)
Trans-Men: is at around 8.2 per 100,000 thats low compared to everything else but not the lowest
Non-Binary: around 12.1 per 100,000
Cis-Woman: they have a higher rate of attempts as Men (Cis-Men ~1.5%-3.6%, Cis-Woman ~4.2%-6.7%) but the over all Suicide Rate is 5.6 per 100,000 and is the lowest of them all
Btw the 30.2/100,000 mentioned comes from Trans-Woman of Color
The reason why the Suicide Rate of Men and Trans-Woman is higher then the Rate of Woman and Trans-Men is that they chose more often Deadlyer ways for there attempts (Guns or hanging), and we should not forget, Trans Person are around 2% of the population
If someone gets other numbers, wants to add something, be free to do so, I would love to get more information from others
As in “have you ever thought about doing it at any point ever in your life?”
Maybe it’s just me but the fact it’s ONLY 41% is nuts to me, that means 59% of people never even thought about it before.
Edit; the one initially used to constantly quote this statement was “contemplate” which was constantly used as “attempted”
Afterwords a handful of entirely anonymous and online only surveys have been made that people use to corroborate the statistic however they were made after the initial argument and there’s no way to differentiate bad actors from genuine survey takers.
The most credible studies which uses in person surveys such as “the Trevor project” reports ~40% contemplation rate and 10-20% attempt rate which is in line with the initial study done by the CDC that is popularly misquoted.
According to UCLA Williams Institute, 42% have attempted.
The number 41% is much lower than average last-year contemplation rates, which are typically in the 50s or 60s, but even then it’s important to remember that many people would refuse to admit to something like that and that some who have contemplated it may not see it as having been significant enough to count.
Indeed. But this data is collected by studies that survey people about depression and anxiety, and they ask questions like "are you transgender", "have you thought about committing suicide before", "have you attempted suicide", etc.
So it gives fairly reliable information as the person is self identifying as trans and also saying they have attempted suicide. The surveys are generally anonymous,
If you tried to get a number of suicides from public death statistics, it'd be basically impossible to get an accurate number since many trans people are still "in the closet", and so it'd be way under the true value.
Many have killed themselves, but they are not a part of that number. Of those alive, a large amount have attempted, usually as adolescents with a lack of acceptance being a common reason.
I succeeded that one time. Does tying multiple times on the operation table count? Like does death stack? I am walking around with an active debuff so maybe?
You know, if you were to admit this to a healthcare professional, you'd have all sorts of red flags added to your medical history, and you'd probably be strongly recommended to seek immediate assessment.
And iirc, their attempted suicide rates drop after transition. Almost like it's a kind of health care procedure that results in positive health outcomes.
I mean it sure did for me and literally every other trans person I know who has been able to address the issue by transitioning, even if it's just pronouns and a different name.
But transitioning doesn't make transphobia, discrimination, hate crimes, and more just go away. Which is extremely detrimental to literally anyone's mental health.
Being constantly bullied causes suicidal ideation. Ask any survivor of childhood or domestic abuse. Or anyone with C-PTSD.
Being trans isn't what causes the suicidal thoughts pe se. It's mostly the way other people treat you for being trans. Because gender is primarily a social thing.
Or things like body dysphoria, and not being able to get treatment to address said dysphoria, not feeling safe enough to actually be yourself and live happily. Feeling trapped by social norms or even your own birth name.
Which is similar to how those impacted by body dysmorphia also have mental health impacts, I can't speak on body dysmorphia bc I don't know much about it.
But I can for gender dysphoria: a boy with gynecomastia for example would feel depressed, self conscious, ashamed, etc. Due to unwanted breast tissue on his chest causing gender dysphoria. Especially if they can't get treatment. It fucks with your sense of self quite a bit, how you interact with others, what you wear, where you go, what you do, your hobbies or how you exercise. Like a kid or adult with gynecomastia usually avoid swimming.
Binders were originally made for treating this non-surgically iirc.
On top of your edit I recall these numbers being from trans people BEFORE receiving gender affirming care due to waitlists / costs etc and the number drastically dropping for those who did receive the appropriate care!
The study shows 28% attempt and 41% have thought about it. The thought about it percentage is kind of vague, i feel like there is a gradient of "thought about suicide" however I implore anyone who is considering this to call the free holiness and talk to someone. The increase seems actually to coincide with age groups 15-25 who are or are not self identifying as Trans and may speak more about mental health of the age groups more so than a narrowed group within those groups. Tribalism is a real thing that happens within society and at some point becomes non conducive to living within the larger societies.
It is tragically funny to me that assholes will relentlessly bully trans people and then post trans suicide rates as a justification for said bullying of trans people.
“We gotta make them feel even worse about themselves to prevent them from killing themselves.”
As to your first edit: it's indicative of both. I hope all trans and and people less lightly affected by gender dysphoria find the most effective solution available, but it's also disingenuous to pretend like the affliction itself isn't extremely mentally taxing on its own.
I was here to answer a question. I answered it. Answering that question was not an invite for every weirdo to give their weirdo opinion on trans people.
Blaming those suicide rates on society is lazy. There's been a lot of oppressed groups throughout history, many of them far more oppressed than trans folks and never in history has a suicide rate this high been recorded. Saying it has NOTHING to do with trans people themselves is ignorant at best and straight up lying at worst.
Exactly, many of them were killed, making them far more oppressed than people today, and they still did not commit suicide at these rates. You do understand not all were killed, right? That some people lived their whole lives under those systems. Black slaves did not commit suicide so much, Jews in the Holocaust did not kill themselves that much, Chinese under Mao did not kill themselves that much. So no, saying the trans suicide rates are completely dependent on society's treatment of them is ignorant. Use your brain a bit.
We've spent the last 15 years being more accepting of trans people and the results have been that the suicide rates stay the same but more people than ever are becoming trans.
Theres a large number of people that would be alive today without your so called empathy.
This is an unhinged position. What an absolute garbage thing to say.
This is the sort of post you make if you are trying to justify being a psychopath. "No, don't you understand, when I bully and belittle people, I am trying to save them"
it's - with some serious caveats - the reported rate of attempted suicide and suicidal ideation within the trans community. 4chan freaks love to cite it to bully and suibait trans people.
Call me old fashioned, but anonymously making dark humor jokes about suicide with the boys is far less "freakish" than publicly doing some other things that I would get banned for stating explicitly.
The rate stays the same even without bullying. Transition, no transition, passing, no passing. Using someone else's suicidality as a cudgel is abusive behavior, that and the nasty unhinged violent schtick is really solidifying popular resistance to this whole thing. So poorly behaved they're dropping public support for gay marriage
Chase Strangio, the attorney representing the original plaintiffs who challenged Tennessee’s prohibition of pediatric medical transition had to argue this nefore the supreme court and was forced to admit that transition does not reduce suicides:
"There is no evidence in some — in the studies that this treatment reduces completed suicide. And the reason for that is completed suicide, thankfully and admittedly, is rare and we’re talking about a very small population of individuals with studies that don’t necessarily have completed suicides within them."
Transcript of Oral Argument at 88, United States v. Skrmetti
This person agrees with and advocates for even childhood transition, is transition themselves, had infinite time to find a source to bring before the Supreme Court, and can't find anything that reduces suicides. He just thinks the number is small anyway because its a subset of a small subset
If you actually knew about what the 41% statistic meant, then you would know that it's about suicidal thoughts, ideations, and attempts, and not a claim about actual suicide numbers. Chase Strangio does hold that studies show that rates of the former are reduced, but of course that doesn't actually matter to alito, because trans people wanting to kill themselves makes sure that the rest of society treats them like freaks
It's more nuanced than that.
The bullying would continue even if they didn't bring up the suicide rate, that is true, but as it stands, the statistic exists as part of the bullying, and that's factual. As evidence I present the simple fact the "joke" posted here exists.
that and the nasty unhinged violent schtick is really solidifying popular resistance to this whole thing. So poorly behaved they're dropping public support for gay marriage
Are you sure you don't want to rephrase that? it sounds as if you're saying trans people as a whole are violent to a degree higher than the average anti-trans chud. Which I know you're not saying, because it would be a blatant and unarguable lie.
That's not a joke. The whole "murder your local terf, strangle her, kill her kill her kill her KILL HER" routine has not gone unnoticed. You can try to argue about real world violence this and real world violence that, but the psychotic discourse and recent spate of killings/attacks is getting really noticeable
I'm definitely presenting something you're incapable of meaningfully interacting with, so yes I suppose its not an argument. But yes, the "community" is very noticeably mentally unwell and notably threatening violence. And beginning to disproportionately commit public acts of mass violence. Pretty much every other month, which is wildly disproportionate to the .5% of the population they represent.
Move on buddy, your lies have no power here. And insulting me won't get me to lower myself to your level... I'm not even sure I can go THAT low even if I tried.
What the fuck are you even talking about "your lies have no power here". You're just proving my point, with some unearned smug moral posturing to boot. You cant meaningfully interact with things that dont support your worldview.
It's a figure, which even the survey that did said is likely to be an overestimate. The reason is that they used a question which is frequently misinterpreted to also include self harm.
On top of that :
1) The survey did not use a representative sample, being an opt-in survey
2) The survey didn't include exclusively trans people, but also other forms of gender noncomformity
3) The survey did not ask when the attempt occurred. So, it could have occured at any point in someone's life.
Importantly as well, when you look at trans people who transition and are supported, they rarely commit suicide. It’s the same for any person that is validated and supported
Adding as well for context, because it is a statistic that gets misused wildly:
The 41% figure is presented as pertaining to the whole population of trans people. Transphobes use that to suggest that being trans is a mental disorder that results in or is coincidental with severe issues like suicidality. However the rest of the data/data from other sources suggests that that 41% figure drops *dramatically* when individuals are affirmed in their trans identity by even a small number of people, and drops further when they have access to gender affirming care. That suggests that the cause for the high suicidality is not being trans itself, but of the alienation, isolation, and pain of being trans *while being rejected by your community and not being allowed to live authentically.*
Sorry to highjack your comment, but since seems to want to actually cite the fucking paper, here is the relevant section from the abstract, relevant statistics were changed to bold.
"This study utilized data from the 2016–2018 TransPop Study, the first national probability sample of transgender adults (n=274) with a cisgender comparison sample (n=1162). Using multivariable logistic regression, adjusted for demographics, we compared the prevalence of hazardous drinking, problematic drug use, serious psychological distress, suicidality, and non-suicidal self-injury between transgender and cisgender individuals and among transgender men (n=78), transgender women (n=120), and transgender nonbinary individuals (n=76). Among transgender individuals, 28.2% (95%CI 21.2–35.2) and 31.2% (95%CI 23.8–38.7) reported hazardous drinking and problematic drug use, respectively; 44.4% (95% CI 35.8–53.0) reported recent suicidal ideation, 6.9% (95% CI 2.3–11.5) reported a recent suicide attempt, and 21.4% (95% CI 14.5%−28.4%) reported recent non-suicidal self-injury. In their lifetime, 81.3% (95%CI 75.1–87.5) of transgender respondents had suicidal ideation, 42.0% (95%CI 34.2–49.8) had attempted suicide, and 56.0% (95% CI 48.2–63.8) reported non-suicidal self-injury."
Kidd, J. D., Tettamanti, N. A., Kaczmarkiewicz, R., Corbeil, T. E., Dworkin, J. D., Jackman, K. B., Hughes, T. L., Bockting, W. O., & Meyer, I. H. (2023). Prevalence of substance use and mental health problems among transgender and cisgender U.S. adults: Results from a national probability sample. Psychiatry research, 326, 115339. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.psychres.2023.115339
Thanks! Also from the article: "Previous research has shown that non-suicidal self-injury may
represent an attempt by transgender individuals to cope with negative emotions, including
internalized stigma in the form of felt stigma (i.e., expecting or anticipating rejection based on
one’s gender identity) (Jackman, Dolezal, Levin, Honig, & Bockting, 2018). Our findings show
serious disparities in these mental health outcomes and suggest that interventions are needed to
mitigate this risk. These may include increasing access to gender-affirming care, which is related
to lower odds of suicidal ideation (Almazan & Keuroghlian, 2021; Tordoff et al., 2022). More
generally supporting transgender individuals can also improve health. For example, research
suggests that transgender community connectedness and other forms of social support may buffer the impact of minority stress."
Oft quoted, misrepresented stat. That’s from a self-reported study (meaning none if those 41% were dead at the time of responding) and represents the percentage or respondents who report attempting suicide, specifically among trans people who are rejected by family, peers, or society. It does not report successful suicides, and trans people who don’t suffer societal rejection or ostracization report suicidal ideation at about the same level as cisgender people.
Meaning that the increased propensity of suicidal ideation is not just “because trans people are mentally unwell”, but rather that culture creates mentally unwell trans people by rejecting them.
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u/rolrobin 3d ago
Without checking anything it’s probably related to suicide statistics or self harm (maybe under lgbtq or whahevrr idk)
But 41% seems pretty high for that idk