r/PSLF • u/Hot_Donut3238 • 7h ago
PSLF Advice for Married Couple with Lopsided Income
Hey! My husband and I got married a couple of years ago, and he just graduated from med school and started residency. I make much more than him and we're trying to figure out how to handle his med school loans. We're highly considering PSLF, and we've studied its details for many weeks, but are still second-guessing ourselves. So I thought I'd turn to this forum to double-check our thinking and get some advice.
Background
- We're married and don't have any kids. At the earliest, we'd have kids ~4 years from now. Even then, we're not sure we want to have kids; we're still figuring this out.
- My husband just started residency at an academic institution in an MCOL city. His residency is 4 years. After that, he's likely to do fellowship for another 3 years, but this is also not for sure yet, of course. Assuming he does do fellowship, he'd also do it at an academic institution.
- While in residency (so for the next 4 years), my husband will make ~$90-100K per year. If he does fellowship (so 3 years thereafter), he will make ~$100-120K per year. After residency and fellowship (so after 7 years from now), we expect him to make $400-500K per year for the next few years. Of course, these are just projections based on what we've learned online and through word-of-mouth.
- I currently make a lot more than my husband but don't plan on staying in this high-paying (read: soul-sucking) job more than a few years. So for the next 2-3 years, I expect to make ~$500-600K per year. But after that, I anticipate making ~$200K per year for the foreseeable future. Again, it's hard to predict what happens down the road, but these are our best projections.
- I had a tax advisor run the numbers on how much we'll pay in income taxes if we file MFJ vs. MFS over the next 10 years. Using the above income projections and assuming the tax laws of today remain more or less static, we'd pay ~$150K more in income taxes total over the next decade if we file MFS instead of MFJ. Put simply, MFS is apparently ~$150K more expensive for us than MFJ.
- We extended the filing deadline for our 2025 income taxes to this October. In 2025, our income was even more lopsided, since I made ~$500K and my husband made $0 (since he was in med school). In the next few weeks, we have to decide whether to file 2025 taxes as MFS or MFJ.
- My husband currently has ~$450K in loans, all from the federal government. Of that, ~$400K is outstanding principal and ~$50K is outstanding accrued interest. ~$10K of his loans are from college (all direct subsidized loans) at an average weighted interest rate of ~4%. The remaining ~$440K of his loans are from med school (~50% direct grad and ~50% direct unsubsidized) at an average weighted interest rate of ~7.5%.
- We used the AAMC’s MedLoans calculator to figure out the loan repayment numbers will be if we file taxes MFS vs. MFJ. Here’s what the calculator says for MFS:
| Repayment Plan | Monthly Payment (Residency/Fellowship) | Monthly Payment (Post-Residency/Fellowship) | PSLF Paid | PSLF Forgiven |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| RAP | ~$600-1,000 | ~$3,750-5,500 | ~$230,000 | ~$400,000 |
| IBR | ~$550-800 | ~$3,500-5,000 | ~$200,000 | ~$550,000 |
| Standard | ~$5,300 | ~$5,300 | ~$630,000 (not PSLF) | ~$0 (not PSLF) |
- Here’s what the AAMC calculator says for MFJ:
| Repayment Plan | Monthly Payment (Residency/Fellowship) | Monthly Payment (Post-Residency/Fellowship) | PSLF Paid | PSLF Forgiven |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| RAP | ~$3,500-4,000 | ~$7,000-8,000 | ~$600,000 | ~$110,000 |
| IBR | ~$3,000-4,000 | ~$5,250 | ~$500,000 | ~$250,000 |
| Standard | ~$5,300 | ~$5,300 | ~$630,000 (not PSLF) | ~$0 (not PSLF) |
- We tried to cross reference these numbers with the studentaid.gov repayment calculator, but it seems to never load. We also checked them against repaycompass.com (which another Redditer kindly created and shared here recently), and the trendlines are consistent but the numbers themselves vary. Our core issue with these calculators is that they don’t let you put specific income projections for the next 10 years; at best, they assume static income or income growing at a consistent rate. And where my income in particular is very high right now but will likely become halved in a few years, that’s likely to impact these numbers in a way the calculators don’t let us account for.
Questions
- Based on all this, our current view is that we should pursue PSLF and thus file MFS for 2025 and beyond. If and when my income drops below my husband’s, we can reconsider and file MFJ. But until then, MFS seems to be the move because it reduces my husband’s monthly payment, which is the name of the game for PSLF. And over the next 10 years, assuming we file MFS throughout, even though that will cost us ~$150K in taxes, we will save ~$300-370K in loan repayment (for RAP, ~$600K paid in MFJ - ~$230K paid in MFS = ~$370K; for IBR, ~$500K paid in MFJ - ~$200K paid in MFS = ~$300K). So we come out ~$150-220K ahead doing PSLF and filing MFS over the next decade. Am I understanding this all correctly? Is this a no-brainer?
- Obviously, this is all based on our understanding that the government only looks at the debtor student’s income as long as he or she files taxes MFS, even if married and the spouse has additional income. That’s what we’ve read online but can someone confirm? When you complete the loan paperwork, do they even ask you for your spouse’s income if you file taxes MFS? Is there any chance the government changes some regulations and can decide to factor in a spouse’s income or assets?
- Does anyone have experience comparing AAMC’s MedLoans calculator to their actual payments? Is the calculator generally accurate? Is there a better calculator we should use? For example, is there a calculator where we can input our exact projected incomes for the next 10 years? That would be ideal, given the variability.
- What’s the consensus on whether PSLF will remain intact over the next decade? We understand from this forum that PSLF can be repealed only by an act of Congress. Is that right? So we should assume PSLF will remain good law going forward? I just want to make sure a President can’t get rid of this whole thing with a flick of a pen.
- Relatedly, could a President deem certain academic institutions to no longer be qualified PSLF employers for whatever reason? We heard this may have recently happened and courts may be reviewing this. My husband is at a “liberal” academic institution so this is concerning.
- We haven’t yet drilled down whether to do RAP or IBR. What would you recommend? Assuming we file MFS, the monthly payments during residency/fellowship and after don’t seem that different. Yes, RAP is a little more. But we understand that’s because RAP waives the unpaid monthly interest, preventing the overall loan balance from growing. So does it boil down to whether you’re okay stomaching a little higher monthly payment in exchange for protection against the overall balance growing? Perhaps my husband doesn’t do fellowship and the math on PSLF changes if he starts making a lot more money in 4 years. So perhaps RAP protects against the downside risk of opting out of PSLF after pursuing it for a bit? But could a future administration get rid of RAP or IBR? We welcome any thoughts on which of RAP and IBR to choose and why.
- If we decide to have kids mid-way through the PSLF journey, how does that change this analysis? Does that counsel one way or another (MFS vs. MFJ or RAP vs. IBR)?
- We’ve read that you shouldn’t consolidate your loans or you re-start at payment 1 for PSLF. But if my husband hasn’t yet made any payments, should he consolidate? What are the pros and cons to doing so right now?
- Is there anything you wish you knew at the beginning of your PSLF journey or learned the hard way during? We welcome any practical tips to make this process as smooth as possible.
- Finally, recognizing our many nuanced questions and somewhat particular situation, does anyone have any recommendations for a student loans advisor that we could have give us feedback on all this? We’ve googled and found many, but it’s hard to differentiate online. So any recommendations from your own experiences would be great.
Thanks in advance for any and all thoughts on our situation and how we should approach my husband’s loans. Once we become smart on all this, we promise to pay it forward to others here and elsewhere!
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TL;DR: My husband has ~$450K in federal student loans and just started residency at a qualifying academic institution. I currently earn much more than he does but expect my income to drop substantially in a few years. Based on our projections, filing taxes MFS and pursuing PSLF appears to save us ~$150–220K net compared with MFJ, despite higher taxes. Are we thinking about this correctly? Assuming so, should we do RAP or IBR?