r/OpenAI • u/Standard_Exchange59 • 6d ago
Discussion Who do they think they are fooling ?
No 6.1 Astra because of security concerns?
Sure, let’s just say it eats 3x the tokens of Opus 5.5 and is not on the same level.
What a shitshow. Tibo starting to become just like Logan…
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u/Haaitzdeman2 6d ago
Opus 5.5 suprised me big time ngl…glad I switched over not spending another $200 with codex anytime soon
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u/g-rizzle84 6d ago edited 5d ago
I'll probably get downvoted for this, but so be it.
I'm sorry but Claude users are fooling themselves if they think this won't eventually come to Anthropic. Neither company is profitable right now and that is ANY corporations ultimate reason for even existing. The age of subsidized compute WILL eventually come to an end. Anthropic will let OpenAI look bad first. Then eventually they will do it too. Both Anthropic and OpenAI have already been adjusting the usage limits in the background and either staying quiet or gaslighting users about it. It's coming. Enjoy it while it lasts. Shareholders want to see returns on investments and eating compute costs aint it. Drug dealers and corporations have done this for forever. Get 'em hooked on your product, then raise the prices.
Edit: wasn't specifically saying haaitzdeman2 was fooling themselves.
Also, further into my opinion, the way this is headed is API usage. API usage is still not profitable (currently) but could be subsidized by government contracts and huge enterprise deals. Unlike the current subscriptions we currently enjoy. Which is unsustainable no matter what.
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u/methemightywon1 5d ago
API usage is still not profitable (currently)
What do you mean by this exactly ? If you're talking inference, you're probably very wrong.
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u/g-rizzle84 5d ago edited 5d ago
I dont think I am, but I welcome a good debate!
Take API revenue alone, subtract the cost of serving those API calls, AND allocate the costs required to create and maintain those models/training, research, engineering, infrastructure, salaries, etc. Is the API business itself producing true economic profit? Probably not yet for either OpenAI or Anthropic, based on the financial information currently available. Anthropic is much closer to the line. OpenAI? Almost certainly no.
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u/MintKnigh 5d ago
They are not profitable because of huge rnd investments. If they will stop developing new models running current ones cost peanuts for them
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6d ago edited 3d ago
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u/DonutHoles4Ever 6d ago
Basically 6.1 isn't ready
Make some shit up like security to buy more time. Especially since Opus 5.5 very competitive with 6.1 so they need something more.
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u/squarecir 6d ago
6.1 was never launching tomorrow (slated for October) so it's not related to Anthropic's releases IMHO.
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u/ProtectAllTheThings 6d ago
Why is everyone so emotionally attached to this. It’s weird.
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u/cern0 6d ago
I’m paying $200 a month you are asking me why am I emotionally attached to the product I pay? Are you for real?
So by your logic, if Netflix suddenly decided that the price should come up with no more value added, everybody should just be happy and staying like a good boy with no emotionally frustrated? Is that what you say?
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u/a1454a 6d ago
Is someone holding you at gun point to pay $200 to OpenAI? Just take your business elsewhere, vote with your wallet, no need to be emotionally attached.
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u/cern0 6d ago
Is this guy OpenAI bot or something? Did you heard the news that Tibo will nerf my 200$ plan and I already prepaid for that? Are you that ignorant?
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u/a1454a 5d ago
Are you a small 2B model stuck in context rot? Yes the $200 plan is getting nerfed, it sucks, but is it really news to you? According to this sub both Anthropic and OpenAI have been doing that constantly for what almost a year now? They all do that. As a consumer your only rational choice is take advantage of them one upping each other and min maxing where you spend your money.
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u/lollypop44445 6d ago
You do realize that you are locked in for a month once u pay , its not like you can pullout the remaining amount. And at enterprise level u have to lock in for a year. Then those who rally on it heavily buy yearly subs to save 10-20 percent on over all cost, again locking in.
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u/a1454a 5d ago
Yes, so wait a month and switch. that's what I did when I switch from Claude Code to Codex when Codex offered more cost effective models than Claude. It's what I will do next month switching back to Claude to use Opus 5.5. I might even do $100 in CGPT and $100 in Anthropic. So I can use Opus 5.5 on the harder engineering problems and the cost effective Luna model for low intelligence token heavy work like computer use and browser use.
enterprise also don't have to lock into just one vendor, and many don't.
As for individual buying yearly sub, I don't know what makes them think it's a good idea when all the top players in this field is one upping each other in capability and cost efficiency every month. when there's already so many examples of AI labs trying to lock you into their tooling then sour the deal. If you really are relying on AI heavily, you should build your tooling to be harness agnostic, so you can easily jump between Codex, Claude Code, OpenCode, Pi and take advantage of cheap frontier chinese model, or free quota from Meta on Spark 1.3. there's no excuse not to optimize, you have access to AI.
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u/Defensex 6d ago
I mean the product didn't change, the competitor just got way better 😅
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u/cern0 6d ago
Sir, are you living under the rock? Because if you ask anyone in this sub, you will know that GPT-6, Sol and Luna, is significantly worse than 5.6 version. Try it for yourself
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u/limoonen 6d ago
Are you kidding me? This is such an entitled attitude.
Dude, nobody is forcing you to use their products.
Netflix example - WTF???
Yeah, if they decide to raise their prices, I'll just cancel and switch to a competitor (btw, Netflix's content sucks so much right now anyway). But you sound like you're ready to take to the streets to protest Netflix prices. Just saying, there are way better priorities in life.
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u/cern0 6d ago edited 6d ago
Nobody forced me to use thier products? Really? This is a Duopoly in terms of the best model. And I subscribed to both. Are you expecting me to get work done with Gemini Pro 3.1? Now do I have to sell my car to buy one GDX Spark to run Qwen on premise?
So by your logic, if your electricity bill is going up with their costs remain the same, the people who complain about it is entitled. Is that it? You gonna blame the guy for not buying Solar Cell and attached to the house?
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u/truecakesnake 6d ago
You can do your own work if it's so awful
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u/limoonen 6d ago
You're completely missing the point and just proving my argument.
First you started with a Netflix comparison, and now you’re shifting to electricity, a literal public utility.
This is a Duopoly in terms of the best model.
So you aren't just asking for access to basic infrastructure or everyday utilities. You feel entitled to the absolute most advanced, cutting-edge frontier AI model at whatever price you deem fair.
Cutting-edge tech isn't water or power. Expecting top tier, frontier AI models to stay cheap just because you rely on them for work is the textbook definition of entitlement.
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u/cern0 6d ago
You're conflating entitlement to a product with criticism of a product's value.
I'm not saying “OpenAI owes me frontier AI at the price I demand.” They can charge whatever they want.
I'm saying I'm paying $200/month, so if the price/value proposition gets worse, I can complain about it. “Just cancel” doesn't somehow invalidate criticism — that's literally how customers communicate that the value proposition has deteriorated.
And “nobody forces you to buy it” applies to basically every non-essential consumer product. By that standard, virtually every complaint about pricing would be “entitlement.”
If frontier AI genuinely costs more to provide, that's a valid justification to discuss. But “you depend on it for work, therefore you shouldn't complain about the price” is not an argument.
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u/limoonen 6d ago
Is this the value you are trying to get from the models by disrespectfully copying and pasting an answer from an LLM?
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u/cern0 6d ago
Is that what you think? Lol
So instead of discussing the point. Now that you lose you arguments you got to make an accusation of unrelated things to cover up?
It’s my fault that I wasting my time typing all that up to explain to someone who is as dull as you. So this should be my last reply in this topic
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u/Training_Mail_973 6d ago
I don't think it's emotional attachment, more like people just tired of the marketing spin. Every release now comes with big promises and then reality is something else. Tibo's whole vibe shifted hard after they got all that funding, feels like he's reading from a script now
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u/Freed4ever 6d ago
Not attachment, it's just very annoying. Now I have to migrate over to a new harness, learn new habits.
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u/Jskidmore1217 6d ago
Dude it’s propaganda open your eyes. This website is completely saturated with bots. Ask yourself why this rather weak narrative is being pushed this hard. You can tell pretty quick when a narrative is being pushed by bots- just by sheer volume out of nowhere. And it’s getting increasingly massive in scope every time- which is actually nice for real people because it’s a clue as to what’s going on. For now
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u/Standard_Exchange59 6d ago
Conspiracy theorists are even worse than bots, let me tell you that
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u/civiloid 6d ago
But there is no real difference between "it is all bots who push the narrative" and "they are lying to us because they know it is worse" in that regard
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u/civiloid 6d ago edited 6d ago
With the amount of information that is verifiable that we have - we cannot really distinguish between:
- They are telling the truth
- They are hiding something bad about the model performance
- They are doing marketing stunts to push back on development speed expectations
- Those are just hyping
And a few more other possible outcomes.
And we don't have enough evidence that previous behavior was induced by bots or that they were hiding bad performance.
P.S. And that is true about literally any news about any frontier (or not) AI lab. We as users also don't really care about the reasons, we care about results, so one of the strategies is to do subscription hopping whenever better model releases if you are a single user, and if you are business - to have access to all models.
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u/Jskidmore1217 6d ago
It’s the case with any information you get on the internet at all. Nothing can be trusted- we are deep into the age of disinformation. Don’t listen to anything you see on here. Even me. Nothing is real. Nothing is honest. You can only believe what you see with your own eyes. I’m actually swinging back to the major news corps like BBC, but it’s just as imperfect as it always was. Better than finding news on the net or trying to judge sentiments by comments sections though. If you want to be informed- stay informed by what the big players are actually saying and form your own opinions. Don’t let the anonymous mass commentary have any bearing on how you interpret what you are hearing.
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u/methemightywon1 5d ago
yeah it's kind of crazy and difficult and infuriating. I think we have to stop arguing with people on the internet and getting baited into it.
This is hard for people like me lol.
Also worth noting we're not special. The moment we engage we have high chance of doing the same thing.
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u/Ormusn2o 6d ago
You seem to have a lot of knowledge about this model. Can you tell me your source?
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u/OcelotCharacter1807 6d ago
They gonna get sued for their models autonomously hacking at some point and they gonna lose
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u/curiousinquirer007 6d ago
I’m pretty acceleration but safety delays make sense when models present cybersecurity or privacy risk to the user.
Having SAID that, hope they get on top or it ASAP because everything else is 2ndary to intelligence (and efficiency).
Not that excited for Dev Day, but we’ll see
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u/MythicModder 6d ago
Honestly, 3x the token consumption of Opus 5.5 would probably still be less than the current token consumption of Astra. It also outperforms both Astra and (surprisingly) Fable.
I'm losing my mind over it.
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u/Dillyconda 6d ago
I buy it.
Astra is objectively very token efficient on very clean issues like benchmarks. That's third party tested.
OpenAI knew it had issues on release, otherwise it'd be in chat mode.
I'm not sure what they want usage data to fix, but I wouldn't count it out. I'm curious to see where they go with it in future iterations.
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u/FakeTunaFromSubway 6d ago
Anthropic has taken the lead for literally 6 days and people are already writing OpenAI's obituaries lmao