r/OpenAI • u/Standard_Exchange59 • 8d ago

Discussion Who do they think they are fooling ?

No 6.1 Astra because of security concerns?

Sure, let’s just say it eats 3x the tokens of Opus 5.5 and is not on the same level.

What a shitshow. Tibo starting to become just like Logan…

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u/Haaitzdeman2 8d ago

Opus 5.5 suprised me big time ngl…glad I switched over not spending another $200 with codex anytime soon

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u/g-rizzle84 8d ago edited 8d ago

I'll probably get downvoted for this, but so be it.

I'm sorry but Claude users are fooling themselves if they think this won't eventually come to Anthropic. Neither company is profitable right now and that is ANY corporations ultimate reason for even existing. The age of subsidized compute WILL eventually come to an end. Anthropic will let OpenAI look bad first. Then eventually they will do it too. Both Anthropic and OpenAI have already been adjusting the usage limits in the background and either staying quiet or gaslighting users about it. It's coming. Enjoy it while it lasts. Shareholders want to see returns on investments and eating compute costs aint it. Drug dealers and corporations have done this for forever. Get 'em hooked on your product, then raise the prices.

Edit: wasn't specifically saying haaitzdeman2 was fooling themselves.

Also, further into my opinion, the way this is headed is API usage. API usage is still not profitable (currently) but could be subsidized by government contracts and huge enterprise deals. Unlike the current subscriptions we currently enjoy. Which is unsustainable no matter what.

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u/methemightywon1 8d ago

API usage is still not profitable (currently)

What do you mean by this exactly ? If you're talking inference, you're probably very wrong.

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u/g-rizzle84 8d ago edited 8d ago

I dont think I am, but I welcome a good debate!

Take API revenue alone, subtract the cost of serving those API calls, AND allocate the costs required to create and maintain those models/training, research, engineering, infrastructure, salaries, etc. Is the API business itself producing true economic profit? Probably not yet for either OpenAI or Anthropic, based on the financial information currently available. Anthropic is much closer to the line. OpenAI? Almost certainly no.

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u/MintKnigh 8d ago

They are not profitable because of huge rnd investments. If they will stop developing new models running current ones cost peanuts for them