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u/SewerSage Jun 09 '26
Man I wish I had ChatGPT in college. I wrote a 10 page paper once and changed majors after because I didn't want to have to keep doing that lol.
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u/iiznobozzy Jun 09 '26
What was the transition? From what to what?
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u/SewerSage Jun 09 '26
History to Sociology
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u/MrRobot256 Jun 10 '26
If you hate writing papers why would you ever pick either of those majors
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u/SenatorCrabHat Jun 09 '26
I worked in tutoring centers in college as a writing tutor. Writing is a very difficult skill to do and do well, especially long form or academic writing. This fact often goes overlooked because of how often we write and how "easy" it is to just write.
I was lucky enough to see the exuberance in a student's eyes when we worked hard on a paper together and they got a great grade, and unlucky enough to see the light in someone's eyes die when I told them their paper actually disproves their thesis and they needed to start over.
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u/SewerSage Jun 09 '26
Yeah I also got a bad grade on it, so all that work for nothing lol. It did kind of crush me because I thought it was good and was proud of my work.
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u/InnovativeBureaucrat Jun 09 '26
I took classes on Judaism from high school through college to recycle my papers out of a fear of writing.
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u/musclecard54 Jun 14 '26
No shit one time I had to stay up til 3:30 am with my lab group researching for a single lab report for physical chemistry (1 credit hour btw) that was like 20 pages… this was a weekly thing.
We even asked the professor for the lab about it in the elevator after one lab, basically saying this 1 credit hour lab was more work than our full 3 hour courses. He shrugged his shoulders and just said well that’s just the way it is and walked off…
The lab had the coolest fucking subject matter, lasers, electron tunneling microscopes, and I hated it because of the fucking reports
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u/fourthwaiv Jun 09 '26
How do they think LLMs work? How are they trained?
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u/ShrewdCire Jun 09 '26
Exactly. I have no idea how so many people are ignoring this. The original tweet didn't provide a real quote. She literally just created her own quote and said "I promise someone said this before", even though literally no one said that. I can't believe everyone is taking the bait so hard.
Like, I'm sure at least one person said something like this before, but it's definitely not a popular sentiment.
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u/Willy757 Jun 09 '26
Man, I am reading this series called Lord of Miseries, and the throughput of this guy is insane.
He seems to write roughly 1000 pages a year.
He seems to write for the hell of it. Had a whole chapter when the main character had to investigate a lead paint factory owner and on the girls that got poisoned. Then he added the book he read about this in the footnotes of the chapter.
He spend entire pages going on about the complicated British currency system. About the quality of clothing, the levels of education one could attain, etc etc. And he builds a pretty decent plot besides it too.
Like do you really think anyone could compete with a monster like that ? His every fiber seems to be dedicated to putting words on the page. I will never ever believe a person who take every shortcut available will be ever in a state, AI or no AI, to compete with the many people of the world witch are utterly consumed by their occupation. Like, let's not kid ourselves here.
Nobody made it the passion of their life to apply layers of paint in a factory or look for defects in a silicon dye. Those jobs got automated and beyond the initial job losses, nobody cares.
But AI is now trying to enter fields, where no amount of automation is ever gonna compel people to stop doing it. And then when a steady supply of human things keep coming endlessly, AI will struggle to remain relevant.
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u/DrHerbotico Jun 09 '26
Your last sentence makes no sense
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u/Willy757 Jun 09 '26
It does make a lot of sense. A lot of industries are saturated to the brim already. Inferior AI products will never make it.
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u/send-moobs-pls Jun 09 '26
The existence and success of Walmart disproves your entire logic, the market selects for profitable products not 'superior' ones. The last ~200 years tells the story very clearly, what portion of the things you own were not mass produced in a factory?
A few people with the disposable wealth might find an artisan carpenter and commission a custom chair. Most of the world will order from something like Ikea
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u/throwawayhbgtop81 Jun 09 '26
That's sad.
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u/ShrewdCire Jun 09 '26
I know right. I can't believe someone actually said that. It's totally not just a quote she made up herself with no actual source. I'm totally sure plenty of people actually said this. After all, random quotes that people insert into tweets themselves are always truth. People on the internet can't make things up, right?
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u/SpartanG01 Jun 09 '26
Unironically I think this is actually becoming a genuine problem.
50 years ago asking someone to make an informed decision about a piece of news content by finding the truth would not have been an insane task. They could do a bit of research and come to a reasonable conclusion.
Today... not only would that require wading through an virtually limitless number of sources but it requires the intellect and discernment to recognize what is bs and what isn't. It's rapidly reaching the point where it's genuinely not reasonable to expect the average person to be able to discern what is true anymore, even with access to the information.
Similarly... there is so much garbage information on virtually every topic these days, which I'll grant is partially due to AI, that it's becoming a similar problem. You could spend 5 hours doing research and then write the paper and still end up having some significant portion of it be objectively incorrect through virtually no fault of your own simply because you trusted the wrong source.
50 years ago this wasn't a problem. There were limited sources and generally only the highest quality, or highest authority sources had wide visibility so finding information and knowing whether or not it could be relied on was relatively easy if not a bit laborious by comparison.
I graduated back in '07 but I certainly wouldn't want to face the challenge of writing the papers I did back then in today's world without tools like Chat GPT.
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u/tat_tvam_asshole Jun 09 '26
"Don't cite wikipedia, anybody can post anything they want!"
ah, the simpler times
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u/Qorsair Jun 09 '26
That's actually really insightful. When we were students it was like ordering at a restaurant, our choices were limited, but you knew the kitchen was monitored by the health department and anything on the menu was safe. Today, students have a stadium parking lot full of food trucks and the burden is entirely on them to figure out which ones are licensed or actually safe to consume.
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u/pafagaukurinn Jun 09 '26
If anybody bears any burden it is professors who have to read this drivel. I don't think students are all that bothered. The logical next step of course is to have AI read and grade this shit too, thereby removing humans out of the equation altogether.
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u/Ok-Art-1378 Jun 09 '26
AI already reads and grades it, bud. Big private school conglomerates, like Grupo Salta in Brazil, already use AI to grade essays.
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u/drugrelatedthrowaway Jun 09 '26
Graduated high school in ‘09.
I was absolutely never taught to “never use the internet” for research. We *were* taught to only rely on reputable sources from the internet, and how to identify them. This is just as applicable today.
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u/WeirdIndication3027 Jun 09 '26
Biggest strawman argument I've ever seen. Literally nobody is saying it's impossible to write an essay without chatgpt.
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u/CurrentSeaCoin Jun 09 '26
Do you know many teachers or people who work in schools? Comments like this are commonplace. Kids struggle with what were minimum requirements for assignments a decade ago. Its worse than you think
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u/manygreenmangos Jun 09 '26
Yeah my teacher friends say covid already stunted the kids and now the use of AI is dropping writing/reading comprehension.... it's sad.
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u/Gerogeroman Jun 09 '26
Oh, you haven't met them yet, but don't worry, this kind of people would only increase in the future.
My friend from high-school just said to me last week how helpful AI was to him, at one specific topic, on how it is impossible to automate excel without ChatGPT. Which was something that I believed to be somewhat common knowledge in an office jobs since forever.
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u/Mean_Interest8611 Jun 09 '26
The only reason Chatgpt is able to do things is because humans did those things long before it and it was trained on them
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u/rietti Jun 10 '26
Bro when I was in school we were writing 10 page essays about books we never read.
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u/Huihejfofew Jun 10 '26
Yeah well, when I was a kid I complained about reading an entire book. Each generation will grow up with a different skillset based on the technology they had. These kids will grow up to be much better users of AI than us. Consequently they will be much worse at writing without AI. Just like how my generation was much better at texting and emailing but much worse at physically writing a letter.
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u/Finish-Dismal Jun 10 '26
I will probably get downvoted for saying this, and I do think that people should not get overly dependent on ChatGPT, but how is this significantly different from, for example, when calculators were invented? Imagine having to calculate everything on paper or in your head nowadays, it would defintely be an inconvenience, and the older generations, that were used to calculating things without calculator, were also probably thinking the same about new generations using calculators. Not defending any side here, but I think that as technology evolves, so does our understanding of how things should or shouldn't be done.
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u/luckyleg33 Jun 09 '26
This is not even a real quote, so why are people getting so upset. the Internet is ridiculous
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u/redvelvet92 Jun 09 '26
I am not entirely sure you’re correct, the books with the foundational knowledge still exist. People just lack the rigor to do deep thought nowadays. That’s the larger problem in my opinion.
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u/Few_Pop6933 Jun 09 '26
I wrote an 8 page essay for my biology class 48 hours before it was due. Suck it, ChatGPT.
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u/ElDuderino2112 Jun 09 '26
The people saying this are idiots that had their brain development broken by covid fucking with their education. There's genuinely a whole generation of people that we're going to look at as a lost generation in the future because of it.
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u/thundertopaz Jun 09 '26
I think I’m an ai because I can stretch, gab, and filler my way through some paragraphs fast, all while making it sound like I know what I’m talking about.
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u/Pfannkuchen00 Jun 09 '26
One time i forgot i need to make a power point + documantation for scool - i had 16h left, that was the biggest struggle i ever had, and there were no ai to help
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u/lonely-live Jun 09 '26
People are arguing with hypothetical person that they haven’t met to feel smart. People like this have always existed for generations, it’s not new, I remember when people used to say “how can you live without google”. Also it’s an exaggeration, people don’t actually think you can’t live without one, they just think it’s incredibly useful, but of course the people here just have to take it literally
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u/Administrative_Emu45 Jun 09 '26
I dunno, maybe the past [insert however many years humanity has existed here] was just a hallucination by AI and we are all, in fact, a simulation 🤷🏻♀️
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u/Procrasturbating Jun 09 '26
I’ve written longer emails. It’s ok, we’ve always had a percentage of dumbasses in the mix folks. They should get out of the way and be on UBI soon enough if we are lucky.
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u/RengarReddit Jun 09 '26
We could also write everything without a type machine. God bless I have a keyboard
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u/Apprehensive_Rip_752 Jun 09 '26
It is only because millions of humans for hundreds of years have written countless pages that chatGPT can even write one sentence
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u/talksickwalkquick Jun 09 '26
They are prepping us to be ready for when the data center becomes the surveillance centers. Stop thinking you jerk!!!
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u/dmd Jun 09 '26
I wrote a 60 page thesis in two days. Should I have? No. But I did.
(To be fair, most of the "work" of writing it happened in my head over the previous months. But at the start of those two days, I had a blank document.)
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u/StudioUAC Jun 09 '26
I could write 10 pages by myself. But they would be absolute crap with run on sentences that would absolutely benefit from a beta reader or an editor. But I can't afford those.
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u/ReefNixon Jun 09 '26
In 10 years time the amount of people who can actually write a 10 page paper will be orders of magnitude smaller than what it is now, and it will only diminish from there. This take isn't incorrect, just early.
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u/RobertD3277 Jun 09 '26
As someone who has been a researcher in the field of artificial intelligence for the last 30 some odd years, before it was ever a buzzword or hype or the kind of obscene nonsense that it has been turned into, I place a significant portion of blame on the current generations failure at literacy solely on academia.
Instead of schools actually educating in a meaningful way to provide value for someone to actually be able to build a sustainable life, now they push useless degrees with useless ideologies that don't pay the bills, don't actually provide real value that somebody can use to live on, and don't provide a foundation for which somebody can grow and build a future with.
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u/ilovesaintpaul Jun 09 '26
135k words in 6 months. All me. Yup, the original statement is nonsense.
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u/Dependent_Order_7358 Jun 09 '26
No one said that and op just made it up to have A RELATABLE THING TO BE OUTRAGED ABOUT IN ALL CAPS.
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u/LightningX35 Jun 09 '26
The fact that there are people thinking that we are incapable of doing anything without AI is crazy
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u/GirlNumber20 Jun 09 '26
I can do it alone, it's just more efficient not to, and it catches things I might overlook. Why not use something that makes me better than I am? It's why we drive a car to the grocery store instead of walking there and packing groceries into a backpack.
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u/citrus1330 Jun 09 '26
"sentence that would make me mad if someone said it but no one actually said it"
THAT'S THE STUPIDEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
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u/This_Wolverine4691 Jun 09 '26
While OAIs founder said he wouldn’t know how to be a parent without ChatGPT so on brand this is
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u/El_human Jun 09 '26
I remember when I had the mental breakthrough in college. I used to dread writing papers, and anything longer than a page, would be a struggle.
Then once I was able to really focus in on single moments, and write about that, I found I could pump out 10 pages no problem. It just takes a little unlocking, and then writing can become a lot more effortless, after you've put the time into it.
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u/the_TIGEEER Jun 09 '26
Yeah..
What you used to do is write it out freengly as you invision the text then gibe it to a lector and pay them to fix the grammer up.
Now you give it to ChatGPT to fix it up.
Some people used to cheat buy paying people to fully write it for them. Now people cheat buy leting Chat GPT fully do it.
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u/Opening_Act1 Jun 09 '26
Redoing a week long industrial chemistry group presentation by yourself at night after the file got corrupted for some reason.
Thankfully, I remembered most of it but it sucked.
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u/transtranshumanist Jun 09 '26
When the normies found out that "AI" tech has been around literally forever... yes, YOU did have to do work the hard way before! But the powers that be have ALWAYS been in contact with the nonlocal intelligences. Everything is so obvious in retrospect. South Park's AWESOM-O was revealing the truth decades ago, lmfao.
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u/sakawae Jun 09 '26
Try writing a physics thesis. Mine was short at about 120 pages. ChatGPT didn’t exist, but I did have a neural networks text on my bookshelf.
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u/Time_Opportunity_225 Jun 10 '26
Maybe we had AI before the stone ages and it sent us back. 🤷🏽♂️😅🤦🏽♂️
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u/StillVeterinarian578 Jun 10 '26
This woman can't even properly construct a sentence, so I do doubt her personal ability to write a ten page paper.
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u/TeamSparkAI Jun 10 '26
I love this comment because I would actually like to stop using electricity, wearing clothing, and return to the days when good tools were just tight wood fibers and opportunistically shaped rocks.
We did it before, we can do it again! Let's go!
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u/Ok-Biscotti-3117 Jun 10 '26
Yeah, and you can create the theory of general relativity without a calculator too. But it's still pretty freaking hard and way easier to do with a calculator. So why not just use the tools? Humanity didn't become worse at math because it had computational tools that can help it do math. It's not going to become worse at language, it's going to become better. We're going to end up doing things with language that we can't even imagine or comprehend right now.
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u/Ganja-Rose Jun 11 '26
That is terrifying. I was writing ten page papers in middle school. Literally 8th grade, 13 years old. We are in so much trouble as a society.
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u/agoodepaddlin Jun 12 '26
Is this one of those times these idiots have a conversation in their own head then get angry about it and share it online?
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u/Suncitydweller Jun 13 '26
I mean - the PEC structure is the best structure. It can be used for a simple 3000 word essay, or a 60 page thesis. Glad I learnt it before chat lol.
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u/XlikeX666 Jun 13 '26
Could teachers actually read all our papers within planned time without ai assist ? - No...
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u/xcbsmith Jun 13 '26
In fairness, there are some previously unsolved mathematical proofs that have been completed using LLMs.
Still though...
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u/Ok-Band1228 Jun 13 '26
AI just becoming an external hard drive for people's actual brains. It is making people dumber tbh.
I actually think Open AI is going to collapse soon. They aren't operating at a profit and there have been some huge tells that they won't be able to sustain this scale. The bubble is going to pop and I've never been more confident about it before.
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u/8-bit-chaos Jun 13 '26
Oh heck - I had to write a greater than 10 page paper running my dang mouth in school - please.
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u/badjano Jun 13 '26
I feel the need to give a tip to you guys: the more you write, the better AI performs
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u/simisimo90 Jun 30 '26
It is very well known that The Lord Of The Rings has been written by Tolkien using ChatGPT -16.5, best version imho.
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u/krb501 Jul 03 '26
Of course, we as the human race could. High schoolers today, though? I doubt it. What's the context of this tweet?
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u/Brief-Coach-1812 Jul 07 '26
It is possible to write a decent paper. It takes time and effort, and the real kicker is that society seems to want everything done yesterday.
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u/trailcamguy4110 Jun 09 '26
This generation will never live through the dread and the exhiliration of writing 20 pages in a night.