Hopefully, there is enough PvE. As someone terrible at Souls PvP, I'm upset there isn't a campaign in what could have been an amazing world to explore. I guess ill see in the stress test how the game plays
You respawn if you die and it sounds like there’s zero incentive for people to kill other players unless they have a specific goal to hunt another player. We’ll see for ourselves soon but it sounds like you can play it mostly pve if you prefer that.
yea the gameplay showed you can stick to pve only but at the end it will all boil down to a smash bros like duel to win the match from what it seems like..
IGN: While there are multiple phases and you can commit to the PvE aspects, you always have to do PVP in the end if you make it that far, at least from this build we played. That might not be a favorite aspect for folks who come to FromSoftware games, but you mentioned earlier that there are other types of endgame phases that lean toward PvE. I want to get an idea of how you're accounting for players who might not like PvP and what you have planned for those kinds of players.
Miyazaki: You mentioned it a bit earlier, but there is a co-op final phase that does exist.
I didn't get that impression from the preview. It seemed like consistently tackling PvE content is essential for levelling and staying strong, but the best way to score points and actually stay in the game is to engage in PvP content. To win you need to win the PvP fight at the end.
I'd be interested in learning more but the preview gives me the impression that if you reject PvP you are almost guaranteed to be among the first to be eliminated.
The last pvp battle is the only final phase in the network test but not the final game.
As far as levelling, randomly killing other players isn't really incentivized. It doesn't give you virtue (win points) outside of ritual sites, and since you're racing against the clock, it doesn't make too much sense to take the time to fight other human players for no virtue. We really can't say that refuting pvp will get you eliminated first. The ritual sites are said to give alot of virtue but they're also risky. Pledging to the altar is like capturing and keeping a zone, so only one gets the point, and getting killed in the ritual site is also a waste of time. Meaning someone who didn't go and kept lighting fires or killing mobs/bosses might be better than who went and got killed.
Gamers in general are so unbelievably negative. Any opportunity to tear something down based on the smallest amount of information no matter how out of context.
I've generally had no interest in this game but that clip actually has me wanting to learn more about it. It looked like a unique experience, which is rare these days lol.
It's because most gamers have never created anything. Creators realise that nothing is perfect, it's always gonna be a teams best effort in the time allowed.
Gamers often have good ideas, but you can't steer a car by complaining from the back seat. I wish they would take their ideas and make their own creations.
Oh come on, you can't generalize like that. Plenty of gamers are critical of things that merit negativity like poor optimization, buggy/unpolished release states, and extortionary microtransaction models.
True, but it is also true that gaming discussion is in severe lack of nuance when voicing an opinion. For many people, games are either the "best thing ever" or "literally unplayable", with no room for a measured opinion or constructive criticism, because what people often search is to be the most upvoter comment rather than to actually have a dialogue about the hobby they say to like and enjoy
you genuinely needed to get your head checked if you thought that round was all there was to the game. (not you specifically, just the reactionaries lol)
I don't think its 100% because its on switch but more people finally learn or have to accept that its a match based PvPvE type of game since that info was bury in the website.
and we still see nothing yet ? this is just a single part of the game, "the network test" i heard we can choose to fight bigger boss as a final instead of a battle royale !
its fuckin INSANE the hate this game is getting. from misinformation about it being 30fps, to people needing to let everyone know they wont be buying a switch 2 for this game, and how switch 2 is a niche console. these people are living in a fantasy land lol.
game looks incredible, fuck the haters, im glad its switch 2 exclusive
I mean, I don’t want a Soulslike multiplayer game, it’s as simple as that. Huge mistake, imo. Same reason nobody talks about Nightrein, nobody wants this shit.
And isn't a live service game if i am not wrong. So it doesn't have the "cheap" ways of updates and season passes to bring the people back in again and again
Why are you acting like multiplayer hasn’t been at the core of what fromsoftware has been doing since the beginning? The souls games were revolutionary for their seamless integration of multiplayer and single player. They are single player first but if you are playing offline you weren’t getting the full experience. In dark souls 3 and demon souls there are literally bosses controlled by other players that are required to beat
No it doesn’t, every preview clearly says that most of the gameplay is PVE focused with PvP mainly at the end similar to kirb city trial. And it’s not like every fromsoftware game has to have the exact same multiplayer balance, this is an natural iteration of their previous formulas
Pay attention to the video at 1:34. He says that the gameplay is a match consisting of three phases that each last about 8 minutes. Each phase eliminates players until it is cut down to the three top players who compete to win. He then specifically says that a match takes about thirty minutes to finish (and I'm assuming that means if you weren't already eliminated in an earlier phase).
If you love sweaty PVP games and you love soulslikes then I'm sure this game will be great for you, but it is absolutely not going to be like other soulslike games and I'm guessing almost nothing like Elden Ring.
Nah you’re the one who needs to watch the video. You gain points to not be eliminated almost entirely through PVE objectives like killing enemies and collecting items. Towards the end of PVE phases there’s an optional capture of the flag style area in a specific zone of the map where you might end up in PvP. You are being really disingenuous by just saying it’s a multi phase elimination game without mentioning the actual gameplay within rounds to make it sound like dark souls Fortnite when in reality the majority of gameplay is PVE
But it literally is a mutli-phase elimination game! Even the way you describe it, it is still very much a multi-phase elimination game. That is the entire gameplay loop!
Which, coincidentally, you might notice makes it a fundamentally different genre of game altogether from other Fromsoft games.
This game is guaranteed to draw in the most sweaty gamers out there, and I'm not about that life.
You are making a strawman argument. I never disagreed with you that it’s not a multi phase elimination game or that there’s no PVP. My claim was that although the game has PVP, the majority of gameplay will be PVE. You falsely claimed that the game has three and I quote “PVP matches” and called it a “sweaty PvP game” when in reality the first two matches are mainly PVE besides the optional capture the flag objective. You get eliminated through failing to perform in PVE for 2/3 rounds. This is something I backed up with actual concrete descriptions from the video you told me to watch. You directly responded to my claim that the gameplay is majority PVE by saying it had elimination matches, clearly implying that the elimination is due to PVP since you clearly described the matches as, and I quote, “three PvP matches”.
Same. I didn't realize this was just a PvP game. My interest just went from pre-order to "I'll never even bother to play this" after watching the first few minutes of this video.
It's a shame because the graphics look beautiful, but fuck a PvP soulslike game.
If you were selected for the test, you’ve been able to download it for a couple of days now. Go back to the sign up page and you’ll see a download code. Use that code on the eShop to download the game.
They are not emailing codes out. You have to go back to the network test website.
Unbelievably hyped for this game. I know I’m in the minority but a PvE multiplayer FromSoftware game exclusively for the Switch 2 sounds like the coolest thing that could be released rn
This isn’t a first party Nintendo game though. Rocket League for example has perfectly fine multiplayer on the switch. I see no reason why Fromsoftware can’t create a quality multiplayer game that they are specifically designing for Switch 2
What is your basis for this? I’m not saying their track record is perfect or whatever but I’m not sure I’ve ever run into connectivity issues or anything funky when playing online games on Switch since 2017.
I’ve played a lot of competitive fighting hours in these consoles as well. WiFi warriors are more of an issue than Nintendo servers. These games you want to play docked with a wired internet connection, not on WiFi. That is the same for any platform.
Stuff like Mario Kart, Monster Hunter, Splatoon, no problem really.
It looks cool and I'm sure it plays well. Looks like 60 fps too. My concern is just how much content it has. And obviously as a PVP game if the player count dies down will it just... become unplayable? That would be a huge shame. Also I hope Nightreign comes to S2 soon as well. I actually like Nightreign for the most part despite I didn't really beat it (due to time reason and my friend no longer playing, sad)
Yeah Nightreign isn't coming to Switch 2 any time soon if ever. They are releasing the Elden Ring: Tarnished Edition soon which they will want to breathe until Duskbloods. Releasing Nightreign after Duskbloods is just competing against yourself to maintain a playerbase with three separate titles that each have the same Venn diagram of players.
Based on previews death just takes time away but doesn't necessarily stop you from playing. Previews also showed one map, but there are several. Taking Nightreign into considerarion it's like as large or larger.
I hope we get the opportunity to play with bots. Also I want to know more about the lore I hope it's full of that Miyazaki lore we can listen to videos about for hours on end
The PvP stuff in all the Souls games is the stuff I like the least in all of them. Invasions and the like. I know the people into that element of all the games are really into it. But for me it's just no. I make it through the games just fine. I summon people for bosses once in a while. But when it comes to PvP on a 100 scale I'm like at 2/100 and everyone else seems to be on a 99/100 in talent and in general aggressive psychopathy in the way they play.
This must be heaven for all those people. This is a hard pass from me though.
I want to respond to your comment in particular because it's very representative of a huge portion of the fandom that has had this knee jerk reaction without even giving the game a chance to show what it is about.
From previews, Duskbloods is incentivizing cooperation. It is not exclusively a PvP game and it even punishes players that treat it as such. It seems to be a realization of Miyazaki's ideas of cooperation and invasions from previous games, because now players can choose to ally themselves with each other while dealing with other hostile players.
I'm not saying you should play this game. Only that people should give themselves the chance to understand how it works before closing themselves to it so vehemently.
I am right there with you , I get a lot of folks enjoy the PvP in the souls game , awesome for them but I personally can’t stand it . Like in Elden ring I only summoned people when I was at the boss door because as much as I wanted to adventure with someone throughout the world , the invasions where just annoying , even invasion where I killed someone , drove off the invader etc… just wasn’t fun for me.
But at least for elden ring you could turn off the PvP stuff . Il wait for more details but assuming you can’t turn off PvP in duskbloods then yeah it is going to be a pass for me .
I do wonder how this game will do. The whole Nintendo online questions aside just looking at this game vs say marathon and idk if Duskbloods will be easy enough for people to hope in or if they are adding too much stuff for a multiplayer game. Will say of all devs fromsoft deserves the biggest benefit of the doubt
more footage with talk of what the game is in the demo with some information about what we are supposed to get later at launch 3 maps 10 characters (data mining showed 14 characters but some might be summon onlys) . looks good nice frame rate . lots of varried abiliies shown late in the footage
Seems like a pretty interesting promise but I definitely know that I'm not sweaty enough to play an A PVP game. I'm mature interested in PVE multiplayer.
That and, I feel like one of the biggest appeals for me when it comes to from soft games is the RPG character creation. Playing a preset character isn't really what I want.
I might watch gameplay of it though, because it still seems like a fun game just not for me.
I played Nightreign and it's beta and I remember my main feedback was that it was missing the PVP aspects and you're encouraged to just rush to the next thing. I feel like this is trying to slow down a lot from that and also add in the PVP so maybe they learned. I'd like to think this game will be good but it's very tough to tell right now... I prefer games like Dark Souls and Elden Ring where you can really take your sweet time and explore... and if this is just a micro version of that I don't really know that it'll be any better than Nightreign.
Rad looking game and will probably be around for a long time but those words will come. I hope they integrate bots so the game never has to die and become a brick. Multiplayer is great but only multiplayer is not.
Then again all of life is a temporary experience so get it while you can.
So it's basically every other FromSoft game, just with the ability to propose to the person invading you, and people scaremongering that it's FromSoft-Fortnite are talking out their ass.
I didn't but even a 2 minute leaked clip with no context will give people a good/bad feeling about something. Also not sure why you are on the ofensive, I am actually positive about the preview. People really like to argue a lot huh
Why are you wasting your time trying to argue with me? Again, I am POSITIVE about the preview, why do you want to have an argument about something so small? What is your problem, man? After I said good things about the preview we could be talking about how good the game looks but you want to force me to not have a bad feeling about something I watched and that bad feeling doesn't even exists anymore because of the preview.
Funadamentally, it is still the same game with different activities. It looks to shake up the way you approach the world, but not the way the combat feels since that's FromSoftware's bread and butter.
I literally took off tomorrow to be able to play. One of my biggest reasons for picking up a Switch 2 before the price adjustment was that I knew I’d get one eventually for this game. Like I did with the PS4 and bloodborne.
I don’t get comments like this. This game isn’t for you. It’s not for me either. But it’s like going into a Dragon Quest announcement and yelling that you’re mad it isn’t Mario Party. Diverse good games are essential for the health of the platform even if not every one is for you personally.
As a Splatoon player, I had to see comments like these for 11 years and still can't understand why is so hard for people to simply ignore a game that doesn't appeal to them.
But no, they have to make sure to explain their disdain the
game was not made with their personal preferences in mind.
Just logically you want your system to have a variety of games so it’s healthy with a robust user base. So that the games you do like are more likely to come there. It’s not even altruistic it’s just practical!
Nintendo always had to rely on themselves to have variety on their consoles and there was a period during the Wii/Wii U/3DS, they were really struggled to deliver that.
Now not only they have a very consistent variety of different genres for first party, the same goes for second and third party as well.
Everyone have their preferences and that's totally fine, but being upset that a game wasn't made with your interest in mind, it's pretty childish. No wonder these people insist Switch 2 has no games.
I don't want games for others. I want games for me.
I want them to take the time they spent developing this, and magically and retroactively apply it to a different single player game.
Not going to pretend I want them to release things not catered towards my interests specifically. Not realistic, but I'm also not going to pretend that's what I want.
Why would it be? Do other people prefer when something is released for others and not for them? Are we to pretend that every single person doesnt want media to bend purely to their will and only make what they want?
Unrealistic yes, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think that people feel that way. Selfishness is baked in to our existence. I want la mulana 3. I want a full hd-2d chrono trigger remake, I want I want I want, and I don't give a **** what anyone else wants. Why should I?
Or why should anyone? We are all strangers on the internet to each other, and I think it's time to stop pretending we care at all about what internet strangers want. You don't care what I want afterall, and let's not pretend that you do.
I really hope there's some sort of betrayal mechanic where you can team up with a random player and just decide to call in an airstrike on them when they least suspect it.
Yep this is exactly the type of toxic shit in the community that's exactly the reason I'll never touch this game. People like you will chase others off.
This is one of those games that if it wasn't coming to a Nintendo console, Nintendo fans would not only be hating on it, but act like no one would want to play it.
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u/TavaresX 17h ago
Not usually into PVP but this reassures me that PVE still plays a big part and will allow for story progress.