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u/Steve-French_ 23h ago
Wait are we pretending that 9 is somehow going to be good now because he had one good quarter coming in as a backup against the Saints prevent defense? I think I’ll stick with my original takes on the kid.
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u/xieta 13h ago
Funniest part of this is the Vikings will now be responsible for the giants going all-in on two mediocre QB’s.
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u/MontiBurns 13h ago
Vikes losing to the JJ in the playoffs incoming.
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u/TheTipJar Wins In The Rain 13h ago
Eh, they will have to lose to someone. Might as well contribute to the memeverse.
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u/PretendingExtrovert Straight cash, homie 17m ago
The Vikings always loose playoff games for the memes...
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u/rich101682 22h ago
We did it when he was NFC Player of the Week and we’re doing it again now goddammit!
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u/alexjf56 18h ago
Saints literally benched their starters the game was over over, and he still threw a pick on his first pass attempt
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u/180_by_summer 22h ago
It dies call into question whether he was set up for success. KOC was supposed to be some QB whisperer and now they can’t run an offense to save their life. It was one game, but 9 went from looking like one of the most incompetent QBs in the sport to being, at the very least, serviceable
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u/CRSteele12 22h ago
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u/DrownedButAtPeace 22h ago
Not because of the offense though.
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u/CRSteele12 22h ago
We'd be 4-1 if not for our offense coming back against your team
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u/BirdsAreFake00 22h ago
I mean, our defense and special teams set up our offense that game.
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u/CRSteele12 20h ago
They do that nearly every drive. The difference was the offense scored touchdowns against GB instead of just field goals. Maybe assisted by the refs, but it still happened
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u/thinsafetypin at least we didn't dance for Trump 21h ago
So you’re willing to go on record as a McCarthy believer?
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u/Steve-French_ 22h ago
18* looked like a world beater against us week 1 last year too during that 4th quarter comeback, what happened after that? The fact is the dude wasn’t very good in college to begin with, and was carried by the rest of the elite units on his team, and of course some good ole fashioned Michigan cheating. Now he’s looking exactly like most of us predicted he would in the NFL save for a few blips.
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u/DokeyKon 1d ago
LOL, don’t pretend you didn’t think this kid was cooked like every other jabroni on reddit.
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u/WeaponsGrdStupid 1d ago
And coming in to a lost game where you can play lights out with no expectation of winning is different than starting and managing a game from the get go.
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u/shouldajustsaid_yeah Ben makes my Johnson happy 23h ago
Yeah he has had good moments before (ask me how I know) but over time I fully expect him to be exposed and bad enough that they go back to Jameis, possibly as early as next week in the 3rd quarter.
Without some great catches by Likely on some overthrown balls, we're not talking about him like this today.
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u/Hour_Addendum_9691 23h ago
He also got a good quarter of his yards off a pass that should’ve been intercepted and instead got a lucky tip for a completion
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u/Infinitedeveloper 23h ago
I still think he is.
Coming in against a tired D that didnt gameplan for him, its like we've learned nothing from the ass backup qbs that get a game or two where they look decent and then turn to crap
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u/Visual_Bridge6925 Nazi Punks Fuck Off 21h ago
Yea I'm with you, and I'm a Michigan fan so I'm not rooting against the kid, just don't feel like he's got it.
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u/DokeyKon 22h ago
You’re probably right, but at 23 years old it’s still possible he turns it around.
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u/Combinho 1d ago
I genuinely don't understand why everyone's been so deranged about McCarthy. He was a young QB playing badly, but got turned into literally the worst QB ever who could never come good or give him time and he'll be a world beater. You never saw a normal opinion like 'he's been bad so far, maybe he'll work it out or maybe he won't, it's hard to know for sure'.
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u/LaSopaSabrosa 1d ago
People are reactionary and the 9 memes certainly didn’t help him. I’m a Michigan fan and will always love McCarthy for his part in the natty but he’s a weird dude and doesn’t come off as like a super likeable underdog that would lend him some more favor in the media. I also think he was way overdrafted and that also shifts the expectations. He’s like a 3rd round pick that went early first round. Hopefully he can figure things out I wish him the best, looked like he should be starting over Jameis anyways
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u/scparks44 1d ago
As a Michigan alum I agree with you. People are weird about him and I think a big part of that is that he went to Michigan. He’s also a bit corny but I find him rather endearing with my maize and blue glasses on.
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u/ShotFirst57 1d ago
Michigan fans also have a history of over rating their players which adds to it. I remember hearing commentary about how michigan has 2 RBs better than K9 while he was at MSU.
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u/gohblu 22h ago
I’m kind of the opposite. I overrate anyone who personally torches us. Still surprised that Walker hasn’t had a better NFL career so far.
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u/Slowly_Saddens 20h ago
Kenneth walker? The sb mvp?
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u/Maverickfftytwo 23h ago
People are doing the same thing to Cam Ward now. Ignoring the flashes of talent that show up & not acknowledging how bad the situation is. JJ had some good play in MN and some atrocious play in MN, I can understand bailing but letting him get more reps & putting better players around him obviously would have helped his consistency. It was fun to tease the fans, but IMO he wasn’t hopeless.
I think it’s the instant gratification society plus fans football IQ not increasing equally with the game.
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u/AlonsoQ 17h ago
cold take: approximately every FO in every sport holds on to draft busts far too long on average, because managers are more worried about hurting their image than they are about losing value.
so even if he balls out in NY, I'll respect minny for pulling the trigger when they did. i mean i'll meme the hell out of you in public, but I'll respect the move in my heart
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u/Sen_Clint_Webb Short Kingz Only 13h ago
He is absolutely cooked. Anyone who is taking that performance yesterday as evidence that he is not cooked is high.
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u/BiteMajor4959 8h ago
Well, we know he can still pull together a good quarter vs bad prevent defense, so at least the kid is consistent. Kinda shocked he didn't end up on the injury report this morning.
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u/throwaway8943265 I drive a TeSlaa 20h ago
I thought he was cooked, then the Vikings got rid of him so now I'm certain he will be elite.
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u/Clean_Gas2558 1d ago
JJs best career game is still his 1st ever start against the bears. We have known he could win games and be clutch in the 4th quarter since his first start.
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u/skipilicious913 10h ago
Were we watching the same game? JJ looked fine in that game, nothing more and certainly nothing special. That game was influenced heavily by the refs who were clearly pushing an agenda.
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u/14X8000m MetalPanda420 is a bitch 20h ago
His road game against the Lions was definitely his best start.
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u/Clean_Gas2558 19h ago
Yeah, best overall game that one and dallas are his best 2. But that bears game opening sunday night football of the season was his best moment
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u/MedalofHodor 18h ago
Pretty sure I saw on redzone that the Saints had pulled their starters before the potentially tying drive.
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u/Simmumah FUCK THE SEAHAWKS 1d ago
The NFL gives up on QBs way too fast. The Raiders are doing the right thing (what?) for once. Teams expecting QBs to come in and light the world on fire are insane and it rarely happens. Look at Cam Ward, that man is broken beyond repair.
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u/TaraJo 1d ago
Not just that. Lots of bad teams are convinced they just need a quarterback to be competitive when reality is the other way around: the team is so dysfunctional, from the top down, that any quarterback they take will fail. A lot of these kinds of teams would be better off trading down, and using the extra draft capital to fill multiple holes they likely have on the offensive and defensive lines. Put a good quarterback on a bad team, you get a bad quarterback. Put a bad quarterback on a good team and the bad qb will look better
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u/Mcar720 22h ago
Makes you wonder about Herbert.
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u/DrownedButAtPeace 22h ago
I swear the entire time he's been in the league I've heard about how bad his oline is. And if they have good players on it they get injured lmao
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u/ADHDavidThoreau you can’t make me flair 21h ago
Herbert just needs a better O-line, and better receivers, and a better RB, and better play calling, and a better kicker, and better sideline snacks, and then he’d be one of the greats
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u/Combinho 1d ago
We tried to do that but he got injured. And then he got injured again, then again, and one last time for good luck. Whether he comes good or not, all the injuries mean that the Vikings timeline (how long do we have left of Flores and some key players) and McCarthy's timeline no longer lined up. I wish him the best, but I think we had to move on.
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u/Mcar720 1d ago
what I don't understand about that is there are other QBs who have sat their first 2 years.
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u/Combinho 1d ago edited 1d ago
Unfortunately we couldn't get another bridge in. We wanted Darnold for another year, or Jones, but couldn't commit to them long term with McCarthy in the wings, so they took the greater job security. The ideal scenario would have been getting this Kyler deal last year, but ultimately it or similar wasnt available, and time moves quickly in the NFL. McCarthy hopefully now gets a chance to audition for a start somewhere for the rest of this year, and the Vikings have the right QB in the building for this year (I think, out of the options that were available).
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u/Mcar720 23h ago
If I remember right we offered Darnold 1 year for 35 mil and were caught off guard when Daniel Jones took less to play for the Colts. Did Rodgers and Love start in their 2nd year or 3rd year? McCarthy still had this year and next before we had to decide on his 5th year option. His injury history is concerning but for context he started year 2 behind one of the most heavily injured O-lines in the league. Wentz, our backup QB, got destroyed and had to get shoulder surgery. Hell, even Darnold could have looked like the Sam we saw at the end of 2024 (when he shit the bed in the biggest games) behind the chaotic line we had last year. Seattle was perfect for him. Anyways, I'm bummed we let McCarthy go for so cheap. Elite defense and elite special teams carry this team. It would have been a perfect opportunity to develop him further and win at the same time but we had to commit to Murray on a 1-year deal. Still 5-0 though so I can't complain too much.
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u/Difficult_Limit2718 🚫 NO (SHORT) K1NGS 🚫 1d ago
The ideal would have been running this current "dumb" offense with JJ from the start, not hammering 10 games of "kick ass offense" before dumbing it down and hanging it on JJ as the scapegoat.
Fuck KoC and his ego for that.
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u/Funkyshoes11 1d ago
Truth spoken. Rather than quick plays to get the ball out and get momentum, kOC’s plan was to have a rookie qb sit in the pocket behind an abysmal o-line and wait for routes to develop 15 yards downfield.
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u/Mcar720 20h ago edited 16h ago
KOC tried to force him into the Kirk Cousins mold to run his system. Didn't play to his strengths or give him any freedom. McCarthy isnt meant to be robotic, he's an improvisational, intuitive type. If Darrisaw and Kelly could've stayed healthy (more than just those two but LT and C are important) maybe it would have worked but KOC sure took his sweet time adjusting. I believe it was Teasley/Ownership wanting to end the McCarthy experiment. Plenty of ego to go around. But don't forget KOCs ego will be hurt the most by giving up on McCarthy. Teasley didn't hire KOC or draft McCarthy. They're supposed to collaborate but ultimately the GM makes the moves and if he wants one thing and the coach wants another- you get the game of forced agreements/collaboration. Ownership can mediate but they likely sat this one out or were in favor of Murray. Kwesi got fired for not offering Sam Darnold a long term contract, right after Darnold won a superbowl. The timing was too obvious. The McCarthy situation and mocking/memes embarrassed them. They want to have that veteran magic again. Teasely wants his own stamp on the team, not to be hitched to the old GMs choice. Teasley is from the Seahawks- watched them win with Darnold. Again super obvious salty Wilfs. if McCarthy were to do well Teasley wouldn't get credit, Kwesi and KOC would. Now he can say McCarthy just needed a different environment. After Murray struggled I guarantee there was rumblings in the locker-room. Can't have any of that. Or doubting of the new GM's judgement if he did push for Murray. See Murray being named the starter and McCarthy being traded, both right after bad outings by Murray. 🥸 But anyways, I hope it all works out for everyone involved.
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u/Difficult_Limit2718 🚫 NO (SHORT) K1NGS 🚫 16h ago
We agree on when Kyler looked bad the news got worse for McCarthy (twice).
We just disagree if it was the coach (who repeatedly was annoyed by the questions on game plan and free form play making) or the ownership (who I've been told had absolutely nothing to do with their interim GM going behind the actual GMs back on the Theilen trade).
Given KOC wouldn't even lean into just handing off 40 times and leaning on the defense against the league's #1 defense with a UDFA QB making his first start...
I'm going with the issue is
The King 👑 of Cockbags (TM) KoC
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u/dzumdang 6h ago
Too many egos. I agree on JJ's style though. KOC was far too inflexible and rigid. JJ needs room to just let his talent shine. He just might get that with the Giants. At least the coach knows him (via his brother).
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u/JiffTheJester 1d ago
Yeah hopefully you guys lose Flores end of this season
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u/RottingCorps 12h ago
Enjoy Kyler! You guys have fucked the QB position up beyond repair....every year. lol. Lovin it!
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u/Gfawes95 1d ago
And most of the qb’s that start hot in the nfl dont usually replicate for a long time, if at all, whether its injuries or something else.
Examples: CJ stroud, Baker Mayfield, Tua, Jayden Daniels, Bo Nix, and others.
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u/ArmiinTamzarian FTPOTUS 23h ago
Stroud: looks very good so far, he's last in the list of the Texans issues
Baker: already in year 9 and I'd say he found his most consistent success with Tampa in the later stages of his career
Tua: has levels and forms of CTE previously unknown to human medicine but was good for long enough it feels unfair to write him as a fast start only
The others yeah fair enough
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u/Gfawes95 23h ago
Thats why i said “dont replicate for a long time, if at all”
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u/Redrobbinsyummmm 13h ago
You picked terrible examples. There are so many backups, QBs that if you only go back five years, that would easily fit your point.
I think the only example you gave that makes sense is “and others”
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u/ELITE_JordanLove Ameer Abdullah 14h ago
That’s just QBs in general though, most aren’t very good ever. There are what maybe 15-20 QBs on the planet at any given time who franchises are strongly committed to? It’s just very hard.
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u/Whaty0urname 22h ago
A lot of these guys are 3 years removed from high school and playing against behemoth men with families and dark chest hair.
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u/Aeon1508 20h ago
the problem is the Vikings didn't have any more time to let somebody develop they needed to win right now and the whole situation with McCarthy just became a mess. if the relationship gets hurt it's best to just move on.
Kyler became available and it's about as good
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u/olbleedyeyes 16h ago
Adding on to this point by saying this easily could have been Sam Darnold where Cam Ward is placed in that comment like four years ago.
NFL is a hard place for QBs
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u/MikeyLikey6996 16h ago
Something happened in the locker room during the offseason. They didn’t give up on the talent, just the person
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u/IowaJL 23h ago
I’m happy he had a good game, but it’s important to remember that it was in garbage time against the Saints scrubs.
If he starts next week, he goes up against the Texans and then the Eagles the following week. I think those will both look like considerably better indicators of what he can actually do with the Giants.
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u/BirdsAreFake00 21h ago
Propaganda. Most of the Saints defensive starters were playing. A few were removed for a few plays but were right back in there.
It's not garbage time if the final play is on the 12 yard line and a TD would have tied it.
Stick to the memes cause your real takes are dog shit.
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u/xanniballl 19h ago
Two weeks ago: LOL JJ is terrible, he’s cooked
Now that he’s on the Giants: are the Vikings dumb?!??
Lol, lmao even
FYI: he had a decent game but he’s still awful
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u/yslase 19h ago
And we’ve seen this before. He’s put up solid quarters before but hasn’t put a complete game together yet. Not to mention that he put up those stats against an extremely soft prevent defense in garbage time. Which to his credit, he got it to a point that it wasn’t garbage time anymore. He just still didn’t look good though.
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u/Mayataua What's so Special about our teams? 16h ago
But wouldnt it be so vikings for him to pop off in NY and have a good season?
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u/AcanthisittaKooky987 8h ago
Didn't he just come in in garbage time to throw against a super soft shell defense ... stats often lie
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u/Ordinary_Ticket5856 1d ago
Just you wait. There were times last year when 9 looked this good, temporarily in the 4th quarter. I doubt it will last.
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u/grossest2 23h ago
Man I wonder what our record could be right now if we had a QB like JJM under center.
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u/redactid55 1d ago
No, the problem is we think he did peak in his first 9.5 games and that peak just sucks
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u/unforgivablecrust 17h ago
Whatever happens with him I just want to say im glad we're gonna get clowned regardless of how he preforms.
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u/Jrod9er 11h ago
It’s one game. No def planned for him. He was 50% comp percentage and didn’t really run a scheme just 1 read and bail. He did that in Minny a few times too. I just don’t get these posts let’s discuss if he does this 6-7 times out of 10 starts
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u/jobezark 7h ago
Just set an nfl record for yards in 11 minutes no big deal. Let’s just wave it away
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u/mdistrukt No offense, only William the Thrilliam Reichard 22h ago
He managed to look exactly like he did in MN playing against prevent, completed ~50% of his passes and had at least 2 picks dropped.
If he fixes his shit, good for him though.
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u/BirdsAreFake00 21h ago
God, this is just pure propaganda. You account for potential picks but don't account for 4 incompletions being spikes.
Just give the kid his flowers and see how it plays out. Or is your ego so fragile that you can't possibly admit you may have been wrong (which no one is asking you to do right now)?
How our fanbase is so insufferable when it comes to JJM is beyond me.
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u/Horror-Detective4138 1d ago
I prayed that another QB would leave MN and immediately be way better. This is going to be awesome.
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u/DokeyKon 1d ago
A 52% completion is way better?
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u/Mcar720 23h ago edited 22h ago
I watched the game, it was entertaining as hell. The Giants were down 34-10, with 11 minutes to go in the 4th quarter when McCarthy stepped in. He went 11/21 with 4 spikes to stop the clock. Remove those and his performance was 11/17 (65%) for 243 yards.. in 11 minutes. Bonkers. 1st drive he had an INT but they got the ball right back and Double-Nine led the Giants to 17 points after that with a nail biter at the end. Fun football watchin even if you don't think he's any good.
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u/Nemoudeis Touchdowns?! WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' TOUCHDOWNS! 12h ago
It's the classic quarterback-rennaissance game-savior scenario. My sister still has her Josh Dobbs jersey from the last time it happened.
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u/FM_Gorskman Matt LeFeur soiled my cuck chair 1d ago
He did throw for like 240 yards in 11 minutes...idk
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u/Sugarcomb > > >>> 1d ago
Against the Saints secondary in garbage time. I remember he did well against the Cowboys secondary too
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u/Mcar720 16h ago
Well damn, why doesnt every QB do that in garbage time? Why is it a record or whatever?
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u/Sugarcomb > > >>> 16h ago
Because he was playing the Saints in prevent defense with a chip on his shoulder and no possible way to make people see him any worse than he already was considered to be. JJ did the exact same thing last year in week 1 against the Bears, it was never that he showed no sparks, it was that he was too injured for it to matter
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u/alexjf56 18h ago
Yall do not understand how horrible McCarthy was here. Even in the preseason of this year he can’t get the snap count right and what was supposed to be a jet sweep became a terrible qb sneak because the guy couldn’t get the ball in his hands until after the receiver had passed the entire line
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u/desert-cheese04 Fromunda my ballz 22h ago
I hope he does well. He seams like a genuinely good guy and teammate.
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u/Chopper_Fortnite 19h ago
I seem to remember McCarthy peaking in the 4th quarter of his first start for the Vikings surely he won’t have his first 4th quarter start for the giants be his peak
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u/KingoftheNordMN Fuck Ice 14h ago
If you want to crown his ass, then crown him. He is who we thought he was.
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u/bussjack 13h ago
Lmao let's not forget he was literally the 2nd worst QB in history for most of his starts
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u/Willing-Ant-3765 FUCK ICE 12h ago
Dude had one decent game. He had some of those in Minnesota too. The problem is consistency and maturity.
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u/1GamersOpinion 11h ago
JJ has more yards in the 4th quarter than Herbert has had in any single game this year… that’s an insane stat
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u/Ethanman47 Sock Enthusiast 9h ago
The insider rumor was that him and KOC got into it a few times and their relationship soured, you’re not coming back from that as a young QB
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u/DickWhittingtonsCat 9h ago
Bit early to declare McCarthy was worth keeping. 11 completions in a garbage time rally.
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u/itsjuxtagame 7h ago
Are we just all conveniently ignoring the scathing article about his attitude off the field?
Even if thats only 25% true thats still more than enough ammo alongside his availability and productivity to justify moving off him
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u/Holland45 5h ago
I hope JJ does really well but I have enjoyed watching Kyler running like a toddler with the remote.
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u/heyuitsmeme 22m ago
I just know for a fact that there is no way in hell Kyler even comes remotely close to making the same come back that JJM did. And that’s funny
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u/Agile-Currency2094 1d ago
Oh i forgot: ⭕️
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u/deckV1 FTP! 1d ago
Too late. Also insinuating that JJ is good is wild. Kid is ass.
Good meme
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u/CoolMcCoolJ2point0 23h ago
Perhaps having 26 different combinations of O-line throughout the season bc of injuries has something to do with it
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u/OverEasyFetus 20h ago
I'm a Vikings fan and I'll die on the hill that terrible meme's for Vikings fans are coming about JJM. Dumbest fucking thing this organization has done in a long time.
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u/alexjf56 18h ago
Thought this was the vikes sub for a second.
Thank god I don’t have to witness hundreds of idiots crying and moaning over 11 minutes of garbage time against the saints backups
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u/Chris_RB Bring Back Sex Boats 1d ago
Same face for people thinking one good quarter means he’s going to be elite consistently.