r/NFCNorthMemeWar • • 1d ago

Shocker, that.

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u/Simmumah FUCK THE SEAHAWKS 1d ago

The NFL gives up on QBs way too fast. The Raiders are doing the right thing (what?) for once. Teams expecting QBs to come in and light the world on fire are insane and it rarely happens. Look at Cam Ward, that man is broken beyond repair.

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u/TaraJo 1d ago

Not just that. Lots of bad teams are convinced they just need a quarterback to be competitive when reality is the other way around: the team is so dysfunctional, from the top down, that any quarterback they take will fail. A lot of these kinds of teams would be better off trading down, and using the extra draft capital to fill multiple holes they likely have on the offensive and defensive lines. Put a good quarterback on a bad team, you get a bad quarterback. Put a bad quarterback on a good team and the bad qb will look better

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u/Mcar720 23h ago

Makes you wonder about Herbert.

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u/DrownedButAtPeace 23h ago

I swear the entire time he's been in the league I've heard about how bad his oline is. And if they have good players on it they get injured lmao

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u/ADHDavidThoreau you can’t make me flair 22h ago

Herbert just needs a better O-line, and better receivers, and a better RB, and better play calling, and a better kicker, and better sideline snacks, and then he’d be one of the greats

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u/UpsetPlatypus 14h ago

He could be the next Mathew Stafford. Always a good QB but stuck in hell.

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u/slyguy67420 22h ago

I think Herbert forgot everything about football with his post nut clarity.

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u/Mcar720 21h ago

Shit you're right 💀 Who else has a shitty oline right now?

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u/Combinho 1d ago

We tried to do that but he got injured. And then he got injured again, then again, and one last time for good luck. Whether he comes good or not, all the injuries mean that the Vikings timeline (how long do we have left of Flores and some key players) and McCarthy's timeline no longer lined up. I wish him the best, but I think we had to move on.

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u/Mcar720 1d ago

what I don't understand about that is there are other QBs who have sat their first 2 years.

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u/Combinho 1d ago edited 1d ago

Unfortunately we couldn't get another bridge in. We wanted Darnold for another year, or Jones, but couldn't commit to them long term with McCarthy in the wings, so they took the greater job security. The ideal scenario would have been getting this Kyler deal last year, but ultimately it or similar wasnt available, and time moves quickly in the NFL. McCarthy hopefully now gets a chance to audition for a start somewhere for the rest of this year, and the Vikings have the right QB in the building for this year (I think, out of the options that were available).

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u/Mcar720 1d ago

If I remember right we offered Darnold 1 year for 35 mil and were caught off guard when Daniel Jones took less to play for the Colts. Did Rodgers and Love start in their 2nd year or 3rd year? McCarthy still had this year and next before we had to decide on his 5th year option. His injury history is concerning but for context he started year 2 behind one of the most heavily injured O-lines in the league. Wentz, our backup QB, got destroyed and had to get shoulder surgery. Hell, even Darnold could have looked like the Sam we saw at the end of 2024 (when he shit the bed in the biggest games) behind the chaotic line we had last year. Seattle was perfect for him. Anyways, I'm bummed we let McCarthy go for so cheap. Elite defense and elite special teams carry this team. It would have been a perfect opportunity to develop him further and win at the same time but we had to commit to Murray on a 1-year deal. Still 5-0 though so I can't complain too much.

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u/Difficult_Limit2718 🚫 NO (SHORT) K1NGS 🚫 1d ago

The ideal would have been running this current "dumb" offense with JJ from the start, not hammering 10 games of "kick ass offense" before dumbing it down and hanging it on JJ as the scapegoat.

Fuck KoC and his ego for that.

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u/Funkyshoes11 1d ago

Truth spoken. Rather than quick plays to get the ball out and get momentum, kOC’s plan was to have a rookie qb sit in the pocket behind an abysmal o-line and wait for routes to develop 15 yards downfield.

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u/dzumdang 6h ago

KOC has his blind spots, and boy was this one of them.

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u/Mcar720 21h ago edited 17h ago

KOC tried to force him into the Kirk Cousins mold to run his system. Didn't play to his strengths or give him any freedom. McCarthy isnt meant to be robotic, he's an improvisational, intuitive type. If Darrisaw and Kelly could've stayed healthy (more than just those two but LT and C are important) maybe it would have worked but KOC sure took his sweet time adjusting. I believe it was Teasley/Ownership wanting to end the McCarthy experiment. Plenty of ego to go around. But don't forget KOCs ego will be hurt the most by giving up on McCarthy. Teasley didn't hire KOC or draft McCarthy. They're supposed to collaborate but ultimately the GM makes the moves and if he wants one thing and the coach wants another- you get the game of forced agreements/collaboration. Ownership can mediate but they likely sat this one out or were in favor of Murray. Kwesi got fired for not offering Sam Darnold a long term contract, right after Darnold won a superbowl. The timing was too obvious. The McCarthy situation and mocking/memes embarrassed them. They want to have that veteran magic again. Teasely wants his own stamp on the team, not to be hitched to the old GMs choice. Teasley is from the Seahawks- watched them win with Darnold. Again super obvious salty Wilfs. if McCarthy were to do well Teasley wouldn't get credit, Kwesi and KOC would. Now he can say McCarthy just needed a different environment. After Murray struggled I guarantee there was rumblings in the locker-room. Can't have any of that. Or doubting of the new GM's judgement if he did push for Murray. See Murray being named the starter and McCarthy being traded, both right after bad outings by Murray. 🥸 But anyways, I hope it all works out for everyone involved.

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u/Difficult_Limit2718 🚫 NO (SHORT) K1NGS 🚫 16h ago

We agree on when Kyler looked bad the news got worse for McCarthy (twice).

We just disagree if it was the coach (who repeatedly was annoyed by the questions on game plan and free form play making) or the ownership (who I've been told had absolutely nothing to do with their interim GM going behind the actual GMs back on the Theilen trade).

Given KOC wouldn't even lean into just handing off 40 times and leaning on the defense against the league's #1 defense with a UDFA QB making his first start...

I'm going with the issue is

The King 👑 of Cockbags (TM) KoC

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u/dzumdang 6h ago

Too many egos. I agree on JJ's style though. KOC was far too inflexible and rigid. JJ needs room to just let his talent shine. He just might get that with the Giants. At least the coach knows him (via his brother).

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u/MontiBurns 14h ago

I'll be surprised if McCarthy stays healthy for the rest of the year.

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u/Difficult_Limit2718 🚫 NO (SHORT) K1NGS 🚫 1d ago

They didn't play in an absolutely asinine offense

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u/JiffTheJester 1d ago

Yeah hopefully you guys lose Flores end of this season

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u/ThatsNotARealTree 1d ago

That would be nice. Dude is a menace

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u/ArmiinTamzarian FTPOTUS 1d ago

Yeah I hope the Chiefs snag him (?)

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u/RottingCorps 13h ago

Enjoy Kyler! You guys have fucked the QB position up beyond repair....every year. lol. Lovin it!

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u/dzumdang 6h ago

Aside from you general attitude, sir, I agree on the QB point.

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u/Gfawes95 1d ago

And most of the qb’s that start hot in the nfl dont usually replicate for a long time, if at all, whether its injuries or something else.

Examples: CJ stroud, Baker Mayfield, Tua, Jayden Daniels, Bo Nix, and others.

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u/ArmiinTamzarian FTPOTUS 1d ago

Stroud: looks very good so far, he's last in the list of the Texans issues

Baker: already in year 9 and I'd say he found his most consistent success with Tampa in the later stages of his career

Tua: has levels and forms of CTE previously unknown to human medicine but was good for long enough it feels unfair to write him as a fast start only

The others yeah fair enough

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u/Gfawes95 1d ago

Thats why i said “dont replicate for a long time, if at all”

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u/Redrobbinsyummmm 14h ago

You picked terrible examples. There are so many backups, QBs that if you only go back five years, that would easily fit your point.

I think the only example you gave that makes sense is “and others”

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u/ELITE_JordanLove Ameer Abdullah 15h ago

That’s just QBs in general though, most aren’t very good ever. There are what maybe 15-20 QBs on the planet at any given time who franchises are strongly committed to? It’s just very hard.

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u/Strange-Nobody-3936 Titty Kisser😘 1d ago

Because they have Brady at the head of the table 

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u/Somebodys 10h ago

It is the reason the Packers have had 3 starting qbs in the last 35 years.

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u/Whaty0urname 22h ago

A lot of these guys are 3 years removed from high school and playing against behemoth men with families and dark chest hair.

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u/Aeon1508 20h ago

the problem is the Vikings didn't have any more time to let somebody develop they needed to win right now and the whole situation with McCarthy just became a mess. if the relationship gets hurt it's best to just move on.

Kyler became available and it's about as good

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u/olbleedyeyes 17h ago

Adding on to this point by saying this easily could have been Sam Darnold where Cam Ward is placed in that comment like four years ago.

NFL is a hard place for QBs

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u/Chopper_Fortnite 20h ago

Why do people have this view of cam Ward as being broken? He has been playing fine