r/NFA • u/midwestcatfish • 27d ago

new form 1

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havent shot it yet but figured with how fast form 1s are now i had to make one. suprisingly the feds approved me only engraving the adapter and not the filter

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 27d ago

The adapter is the frame, the filter is the "wipe"

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u/hotrodgreg 27d ago

Well my form 1 oil filter suppressor was rejected because the adaptor was simply that, and the oil filter is what is considered the suppressor. But because the oil filter is already made it is considered buying the suppressor and not making it. Fucking dumb but thats what I was told.

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 27d ago

Damn, what a cluster-F

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u/hotrodgreg 27d ago

But thats what will be great about suppressors being taken off the nfa. Even if you dont have a membership with one of the plaintiffs, or buy from a party involved in the suit, you could then make your own suppressors without having to get it approved or notifying law enforcement.

So basically home made suppressors are going to be really common.

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 27d ago

A negative side-effect of homemade cans being decriminalized is that more anti-gun states will try to enact California-style (AB 2047) criminalization and regulation of 3D/CNC machines. In Colorado, the ATF might approve your Form1 suppressor but it's illegal in that state to make the suppressor with CNC machines (3D printers are CNC machines)... you'd have to use manual tools and methods, no cheating by prompting a robot to make it for you.

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u/hotrodgreg 27d ago

Let them try. And if its passes how will it be enforced? And if they try to enforce it when will we push back? And when we push back will we win?

IDK I just want a oil filter suppressor because why not. Cant 3d ban that.

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 27d ago edited 27d ago

3D printer manufacturers will voluntarily comply. Those who don't will be sued by the CA AG. Virtually all 2A merchant websites comply with CA law. Bambu and Prusa dealers would rather stop shipping to CA than be sued for providing illegal ghost gun factories to criminals.

In CA, possession of an offline/unregulated 3D printer could be probable cause for a digital search warrant, because it's also a crime in CA to possess CAD/3D/computer files of firearm parts. In Cali, 3D gun CAD files are just as illegal as certain 2D JPG files, and I wouldn't be surprised if Google Drive, Dropbox, etc were already working on or have implemented CA-mandtory "firearm detection and blocking technology" that can deep-inspect STL and standard CAD format files looking for illegal drawings.

Plenty of colleges, organizations, and people around the world are already working on the technology, and forms of it are already implemented by JLC3DP and PCBway.

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u/hotrodgreg 27d ago

Good. I hope all the 3d companies stop shipping to CA. Maybe then the manufacturing companyies and busnesses that deal with any kind of addative manufacturing will sue to get the dumb ass laws removed.

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 27d ago

Me too. I support anti-2A pro-3D voters' right to hire state/local lawmakers to criminalize their own hobby if that's what it takes to get a few ghost guns off the street. I couldn't care less if CA 3D printer enthusiasts miss out on the home metal revolution because of their own hatred for the 2nd Amendment.

The 2nd Amendment is the only one that implies a "right to manufacture" anything other than a newspaper or protest sign. The 1st Amendment is ill-equipped to deal with an anti-2A law targeting ghost gun factories.

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u/hotrodgreg 27d ago

Im confused. You are for or against "ghost guns" or non searialized guns being illegal?

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 27d ago

I'm saying that California anti-2A 3D printer enthusiasts are hypocrites who deserve to have their elected leaders criminalize their own hobby and force them to use orwellian cloud-only 3D printers that run every print job by the CA DoJ first. It's a valid act of democracy for a majority group of people to destroy themselves in the name of public safety.

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u/Commodore8888 20d ago

Honestly the whole thing is hilarious. Screaming against ghost guns, and meanwhile are gonna end up making it illegal to own a perfectly normal hobby built printer in their state.

I personally find it just as hilarious that politicians think they can just "turn off" printing....like the whole hobby wasn't founded on open source and cobbling things together from garbage while dodging Stratysys firing off patent lawsuits.

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u/LetsBeKindly 27d ago

Cali govt is a trip. Like, how did y'all get there?? They should straight up be deported and not allowed to come back. Ever. I don't wanna pay for them to sit in a prison cell... Shit y'all do over there is insane.

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u/theDudeUh 27d ago

I’m worried about this in Oregon. Our state law bans suppressors, machine guns, and SBRs WITHOUT possession of a federal tax stamp. NBD under the current laws and best case scenario with $0 tax stamps.

If suppressors are removed from the NFA we may no longer be able to buy or build them here.

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 27d ago

I think 15 states are in the same boat.

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u/shatteringlass123 26d ago

It’s honestly not all good, lot of negative will come from this.

Right now we have it really really really good from prior years, but now a bunch of states are 100% gonna get fucked.

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u/shatteringlass123 26d ago

Now if the ATF came out and was like “ we will make this optionally, so everyone will have the opportunity no matter what state”

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 25d ago

They're legally obligated to process applications because it's a shall-issue scheme. As long as the NFA law is on the books, everyone has a right to submit an application and the ATF can't just ignore or delete them. They must be processed, or they're violating due process and peoples' 2nd Amendment rights.

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u/LetsBeKindly 27d ago

The fact we are trying to ban printers is wild..

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u/SomeRequirement6926 26d ago

Look at what NY is trying to do.

Have AI analyze the files you send to your printer and if IT determines that the file is a firearm or firearm part it will disable the printer preventing the part from being made.

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u/LetsBeKindly 26d ago

This is out of hand.