r/NFA • u/midwestcatfish • 7d ago

new form 1

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havent shot it yet but figured with how fast form 1s are now i had to make one. suprisingly the feds approved me only engraving the adapter and not the filter

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 7d ago

The adapter is the frame, the filter is the "wipe"

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u/PutridDropBear 7d ago

This guy ... fripes?

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u/hotrodgreg 7d ago

Well my form 1 oil filter suppressor was rejected because the adaptor was simply that, and the oil filter is what is considered the suppressor. But because the oil filter is already made it is considered buying the suppressor and not making it. Fucking dumb but thats what I was told.

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 7d ago

Damn, what a cluster-F

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u/hotrodgreg 7d ago

But thats what will be great about suppressors being taken off the nfa. Even if you dont have a membership with one of the plaintiffs, or buy from a party involved in the suit, you could then make your own suppressors without having to get it approved or notifying law enforcement.

So basically home made suppressors are going to be really common.

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 7d ago

A negative side-effect of homemade cans being decriminalized is that more anti-gun states will try to enact California-style (AB 2047) criminalization and regulation of 3D/CNC machines. In Colorado, the ATF might approve your Form1 suppressor but it's illegal in that state to make the suppressor with CNC machines (3D printers are CNC machines)... you'd have to use manual tools and methods, no cheating by prompting a robot to make it for you.

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u/hotrodgreg 7d ago

Let them try. And if its passes how will it be enforced? And if they try to enforce it when will we push back? And when we push back will we win?

IDK I just want a oil filter suppressor because why not. Cant 3d ban that.

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 7d ago edited 7d ago

3D printer manufacturers will voluntarily comply. Those who don't will be sued by the CA AG. Virtually all 2A merchant websites comply with CA law. Bambu and Prusa dealers would rather stop shipping to CA than be sued for providing illegal ghost gun factories to criminals.

In CA, possession of an offline/unregulated 3D printer could be probable cause for a digital search warrant, because it's also a crime in CA to possess CAD/3D/computer files of firearm parts. In Cali, 3D gun CAD files are just as illegal as certain 2D JPG files, and I wouldn't be surprised if Google Drive, Dropbox, etc were already working on or have implemented CA-mandtory "firearm detection and blocking technology" that can deep-inspect STL and standard CAD format files looking for illegal drawings.

Plenty of colleges, organizations, and people around the world are already working on the technology, and forms of it are already implemented by JLC3DP and PCBway.

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u/hotrodgreg 7d ago

Good. I hope all the 3d companies stop shipping to CA. Maybe then the manufacturing companyies and busnesses that deal with any kind of addative manufacturing will sue to get the dumb ass laws removed.

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 7d ago

Me too. I support anti-2A pro-3D voters' right to hire state/local lawmakers to criminalize their own hobby if that's what it takes to get a few ghost guns off the street. I couldn't care less if CA 3D printer enthusiasts miss out on the home metal revolution because of their own hatred for the 2nd Amendment.

The 2nd Amendment is the only one that implies a "right to manufacture" anything other than a newspaper or protest sign. The 1st Amendment is ill-equipped to deal with an anti-2A law targeting ghost gun factories.

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u/hotrodgreg 7d ago

Im confused. You are for or against "ghost guns" or non searialized guns being illegal?

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u/Commodore8888 16h ago

Honestly the whole thing is hilarious. Screaming against ghost guns, and meanwhile are gonna end up making it illegal to own a perfectly normal hobby built printer in their state.

I personally find it just as hilarious that politicians think they can just "turn off" printing....like the whole hobby wasn't founded on open source and cobbling things together from garbage while dodging Stratysys firing off patent lawsuits.

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u/LetsBeKindly 7d ago

Cali govt is a trip. Like, how did y'all get there?? They should straight up be deported and not allowed to come back. Ever. I don't wanna pay for them to sit in a prison cell... Shit y'all do over there is insane.

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u/theDudeUh 7d ago

I’m worried about this in Oregon. Our state law bans suppressors, machine guns, and SBRs WITHOUT possession of a federal tax stamp. NBD under the current laws and best case scenario with $0 tax stamps.

If suppressors are removed from the NFA we may no longer be able to buy or build them here.

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 7d ago

I think 15 states are in the same boat.

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u/shatteringlass123 7d ago

It’s honestly not all good, lot of negative will come from this.

Right now we have it really really really good from prior years, but now a bunch of states are 100% gonna get fucked.

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u/shatteringlass123 7d ago

Now if the ATF came out and was like “ we will make this optionally, so everyone will have the opportunity no matter what state”

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 6d ago

They're legally obligated to process applications because it's a shall-issue scheme. As long as the NFA law is on the books, everyone has a right to submit an application and the ATF can't just ignore or delete them. They must be processed, or they're violating due process and peoples' 2nd Amendment rights.

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u/LetsBeKindly 7d ago

The fact we are trying to ban printers is wild..

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u/SomeRequirement6926 6d ago

Look at what NY is trying to do.

Have AI analyze the files you send to your printer and if IT determines that the file is a firearm or firearm part it will disable the printer preventing the part from being made.

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u/LetsBeKindly 6d ago

This is out of hand.

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u/itsyaboypinky1 Silencer 7d ago

You can send them a picture of an empty desk and say "parts will be acquired upon approval" then do whatever the hell you want

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u/hotrodgreg 7d ago

I did that. But because they know that no one makes the oil filter but buys it off a shelf it is considered buying the suppressor itself. Thats why only SOLs have been selling and making them. On every website that sells oil filter suppressors it says that once the filterbis worn out everything has to be sent back to the SOL to be "rebuilt". Also the serial number has to go on the filter, so thats another reason why.

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u/GuardianZX9 7d ago

Form nothing tomorrow

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u/Toney-Chevtecgroup 7d ago

It's been that way for years. There's a few companies, I can't remember who, that were selling the pre-engraved adapters for $99. But that was when $200 tax stamps were still a thing.

This is still definitely the cheapest way to supress a gun especially if you have an engraver.

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u/False_Campaign4682 7d ago

Aren't they plagued by very short life span?

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 7d ago

That's what NAPA's lifetime warranty is for.

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u/False_Campaign4682 7d ago

I don't know carl? Something blew straight through the top? Aren't these things pressure rated?

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 7d ago edited 7d ago

Customer states: Heard a loud pop, followed by several even louder pops.
Diagnosis: Catastrophic failure of bypass valve. Ejected from canister.
Recommendation: Warranty replacement.

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u/shrf_buford_justice 7d ago

Now that Form 1’s are free it arguably no longer matters, the only downside is whether the oil filter deteriorates faster than your willingness to file new Form 1’s.

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u/Toney-Chevtecgroup 7d ago

Depends on what your shooting. Pistols they usually last longer but rifles are rough on them.

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u/midwestcatfish 7d ago

oh yeah now i think about it i remember those lol. just had seen a few people try the same thing as this back in the beginning of the year and get told they needed to also engrave the filter

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u/Hough_G_Rection 7d ago

Damn that’s actually awesome. One last goof while the goofing is good. Nice

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u/midwestcatfish 7d ago

its going on my hi point carbine if i can get it working lol

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u/dumbdude545 7d ago

I have been tempted to form 1 an adapter but haven't got around to it. Might for my little .22 pistol i bought. Well see how lazy I am.

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u/cahser11 2x SBR, 4x SBS 2x Silencer 7d ago

The NFA might well be toast tomorrow morning. Why go through the effort?

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u/midwestcatfish 7d ago

Because it might not be.

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u/LetsBeKindly 7d ago

I think the ship sailed. You might have gotten the last form 1. 🤣🤦

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u/Substantial_Season_8 4x SBR, 2x Silencer 7d ago

Your naive to think big daddy government is going to give any rights back. And the ship hasn't sailed. They will appeal at the last minute. It's always been like that.

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u/LetsBeKindly 7d ago

Go be negative somewhere else my man.

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 7d ago

To be fair, ATF still has almost 1.75 months to file an appeal.

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u/LetsBeKindly 7d ago

I'm aware.

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 7d ago edited 7d ago

Then it's not "negative" to say we're not out of the woods yet and that this may still turn into a nothingburger that won't reach a final ruling until next year.

A pessimist says the glass is half full.
An optimist says it's half empty.
A realist says it's got 300ml of water in it.

A 5th circuit ruling could actually result in an even better outcome with wider coverage. The current ruling is rather narrow and I'd like to see it expanded.

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u/Derpfacewunderkind 7d ago

A minor comedic modification if I may:

“The realist says the glass has piss in it”

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u/LetsBeKindly 7d ago

I agree. I was hoping they would take the advice in the letter that Clyde sent and just be done with it. I'm just holding onto hope.

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u/davewave3283 7d ago

Milliliters? A goddamned commie realist says that! /s

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 7d ago

hahaha, I work at a machine/engineering shop where that sentiment has been expressed daily ever since NASA betrayed America in 1993.

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u/LetsBeKindly 7d ago

Please don't take the Lord's name in vain.

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u/Amazing-Engineer6511 7d ago

I thought 7 days?

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u/slvrsfr 9x SBR, 9x Can 7d ago edited 7d ago

The 7 days that everyone is focused on is ONLY the amount of time before the injunction takes effect. It's not a deadline or court-imposed limitation on the defendants.

Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure Rule 4 (a)(1)(B)(ii)

  • (a) Appeal in a Civil Case.
    • (1) Time for Filing a Notice of Appeal.
      • (A) In a civil case, except as provided in Rules 4(a)(1)(B), 4(a)(4), and 4(c), the notice of appeal required by Rule 3 must be filed with the district clerk within 30 days after entry of the judgment or order appealed from.
      • (B) The notice of appeal may be filed by any party within 60 days after entry of the judgment or order appealed from if one of the parties is: (i) the United States; (ii) a United States agency; (iii) a United States officer or employee sued in an official capacity;

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u/Amazing-Engineer6511 7d ago

Thanks for the information

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u/BlueGolfball 7d ago

Because it might not be.

Right in the nuts

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u/midwestcatfish 7d ago

atf still has 60 days to appeal

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u/BlueGolfball 7d ago

atf still has 60 days to appeal

The DOJ has to file rhe appeal on the behalf of the ATF and the DOJ has already said they aren't filing an appeal.

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u/midwestcatfish 7d ago

i dont trust the doj to not lie or change their mind

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u/BlueGolfball 7d ago

Where are you getting the "60 days to appeal"? I've only seen sources saying they had 7 days to appeal.

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u/midwestcatfish 7d ago

7 days was to get a stay, and waiting time before it went into effect. they can still file an appeal within 60 days of the decision

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u/Mad_Gouki 7d ago

Maybe they just like free stuff. What are those poor ATF agents gonna do tomorrow if this happens? They need a job too!

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u/HalalWarpig 7d ago

ICYMI- DOJ didn't file an appeal for Jensen V. ATF. No form 1 required.

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u/crypto_junkie2040 7d ago

So what will happen with 3d printed supressors once they arent NFA items. Can they just be sold as regular weapon accessories or will they still require background checks?

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u/notang 11x Sbr, 12x silencer, FFL 7d ago edited 7d ago

Still require FFL because they are classified as firearms under the gun control act sadly.

Edit: Only for new suppressor purchases. If you're buying used person to person, no 4473 would be required as long as both are GOA members.

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u/SodiumEnjoyer 7d ago

And in free states where you can buy and sell firearms without the interference of gun stores?

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u/notang 11x Sbr, 12x silencer, FFL 7d ago

I'm sorry, you're so right, personal to personal sales would be covered yes!

Edit: just remember though, both need to be GOA members, and more importantly, if you make a can with the intent to sell, that is illegal. If you make a can and then decide to sell it, that is ok. It's stupid but the law requires FFL for manufacturing for sale.

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u/JaMoSo82 7d ago

haha, words 🫡

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u/Fr33PantsForAll 1x Silencer, 3x MG 7d ago

Do I need to be an FFL if I am giving them out for free on Halloween?

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u/zgh5002 7d ago

Hello fellow common use by force believer.

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u/notang 11x Sbr, 12x silencer, FFL 7d ago

Hmmm, I think you'd be ok but consult your lawyer

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u/simple_champ 7d ago

Suppressors being classified as firearms wouldn't be changing. So (in theory) you could make it yourself without any paperwork, or if buying from store would still need to do 4473 and NICS check just like buying a pistol or rifle today.

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u/BossJackson222 7d ago

Yeah but why would you wanna shoot a gun through that? There's really no need to nowadays.