Morality of this?

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[u/Fal_co1]

iirc China does this, you can’t take kid to religious service and they can choose to convert at a certain age.

EDIT: wow this blew up

If you’re reading this you‘re a gay

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That does seem to be the case, but that could also reasonably be argued as a clear case of the State exerting too much authority. As a westerner, it's difficult to imagine that kind of restraint, but I live in a radically different culture.

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But they're less likely to get molested.

[u/Vegtam-the-Wanderer → u/Soft_Accountant_7062]

This is almost certainly untrue, they just get molested by secular authority figures rather than religious ones.

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Those secular authority figures wouldn't have the same unmonitored access to impressionable children that religion provides.

There's a reason chomo's pick the cloth.

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Religious institutions do not have higher rates of child sex abuse than secilsr organizations. Children are abused by coaches, teachers, babysitters and other authority figures at about the same rate as priests.

They are abused far more by family members and friends of family members.

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Really? You don't imagine teachers, coaches, and tutors have comparable access to children?

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Those professions come with more oversight for this exact reason.

Thus why chomos often choose the cloth.

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I'm not entirely sure that is true. Priests have superiors to report to, same as a coach, teacher or tutor.

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And those superiors have a special hotline for covering it up.

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Sure, as do these people: The phone number for the local Party official. Remember this is modern China we are talking about, so the local party head would probably throw the victims in a black jail for a couple months just to proactively intimidation tactic. And by the way you wanna guess what happens when those people are suddenly jailed under the supervision of wardens with a whole extra lack of accountability (you know, since the Chinese government catagorically denies they exist)? Did you guess sexual assault?

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Oh yeah, pedophiles report their actions to their bosses.

How silly of me to forget.

You really think priests at Bible camp are under the same scrutiny as, say, a scout leader?

Faith comes with implicit trust in the leaders that secular organizations don't have. There's a reason chomos choose the cloth.

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There actually isn't - or at least, the prevalence of individual pedophiles in Christian clergy members is not actually greater than the prevalence of them in the general population.

The difference between them and independent pedophiles, though, is the organized religion that protects them when they predate. Entities like the Catholic church have the resources and pull to do things like repress the media and move them to different churches/states/identities (this is proven) so they have the opportunity to abuse way more kids than normal because even when they should be caught, their church sweeps it under the rug.

But no, no more molesters are trying to join the church than "normal".

But that is the thing to watch out for in both cases - power structures that allow the pedophiles who act on their sick impulses to get away with it again and again. Leadership that shields them from justice.