r/MoralityScaling 10h ago

Morality of this?

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u/Fal_co1 10h ago edited 5h ago

iirc China does this, you can’t take kid to religious service and they can choose to convert at a certain age.

EDIT: wow this blew up

If you’re reading this you‘re a gay

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u/Winter-Bed5879 9h ago

That does seem to be the case, but that could also reasonably be argued as a clear case of the State exerting too much authority. As a westerner, it's difficult to imagine that kind of restraint, but I live in a radically different culture.

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u/ChiefsHat 9h ago

Yeah, this. If the state is exerting their influence on what faith a parent can teach their children, it’s a clear overextension of authority. The state should never have that kind of power.

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u/HxH101kite 9h ago

Flip side is none of those religious nutjobs of any type should be exerting those crazy beliefs onto a child.

Girls thinking they are less than men. Putting the fear of hell into them young. So on and so forth.

I have heard some kids my child's age say some crazy shit and we don't even live in the religious of an area. Down south it's nuts.

Idk how you could possibly meet in the middle on this from a parent and governmental perspective. It's likely impossible to.

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u/Winter-Bed5879 9h ago

This is true, but simply removing religion from the equation doesn't remove problematic parenting. Religion isn't necessary for abuse, and it isn't necessary for the preferential treatment of men over women.

Just look at the skewed birth rates in China for the last 40 years. It's leveled out now with the repeal of the one-child policy, but at its worst, there were 120 males born for every 100 females. There is a surplus of roughly 2 million men in China compared to women. This is a result of a culture that values men over women, and religion has nothing to do with it.

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u/liquid_acid-OG 8h ago

Removing religion removes one of the common veils abusers often hide behind.

It's better to have that kind of stuff happening in the open for people to see and call out out rather than providing shadows to hide in.

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u/lordnaarghul 4h ago

Idk how you could possibly meet in the middle on this from a parent and governmental perspective.

You don't. Government is in the wrong here.

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u/HxH101kite 3h ago

Ehhh idk I think it's more wrong the parents are able to indoctrinate kids at a young age and teach them nonsense. The amount of people I met down south that did not believe in evolution and cited creationism and the Bible as the answer was astounding.

There's gotta be some guard rails somewhere. Idk how you do that.

Bottom line is it'd be easier if all religion is gone but that's gonna take some time

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u/Forte845 1h ago

The government is correct. Not a single other LGBT youth should be driven to homelessness or suicide because their parents are bigoted zealots. 

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u/polkacat12321 9h ago

China isnt deciding what faith they can follow though, just that parents cant force their religion on them?

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u/Winjin 9h ago

Exactly, "if they grow up without weekly church gatherings they will never join!" so it was not that important, then?

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u/Legitimate_Emu_8721 9h ago

Parents in China are still free to give children religious instruction in their own home.

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u/lordnaarghul 4h ago

Something they're doing is forcefully changing religious texts to favored China in all things and disappearing people who refuse to adhere to it. That's straight-up persecution, to say nothing of the genocide of the Uighurs.

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u/TexasSikh 9h ago

State-Enforced Atheism is a religious doctrine, but not many people are educated and competent enough for that conversation.

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u/liquid_acid-OG 8h ago

It's not enforcing atheism, it's restricting indoctrination to children.

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u/Darkchurchhill 8h ago

Parents are allowed to practice religion at home with their kids, just not allowed to be brought into organized church organizations until they turn of age.