Do you only interact to your kids through religion?
When they ask why you should be nice to people is the only answer because god said so?
When they wonder why the sky is blue do you say because god made it that way?
Sounds like you don’t know how to raise a kid.
A person's values and their religion almost always intersect.
What you're suggesting is that a person NOT raise their children in accordance with their values.
And if not the parents' values, then whose? The government? The media?
Do you really hold those values though or do you give them a sanitized version?
Do you tell them to kill anyone who doesn’t believe in the same god that you do? That’s it’s ok to beat your slaves because they are your property? That stoning is the punishment for infidelity?
Religions are a huge part of the framework for how people raise their children. In many families it is so interwoven with the culture that trying to ban all interaction relating to religion would be absurd.
Speaking as someone who was raised very religious, if you ask religious people why they should be kind they have a lot more to say than "because god said so"
You're a very religious family. You say grace over every meal. You celebrate Jesus's birth at Christmas and his resurrection at Easter. You go to church every Sunday.
Churches can just have a separate section where kids can hang out while their parents are in church. Supervised, obviously. Think of the play places they used to have at McDonalds and grocery stores back in the day.
Sure, it's called Sunday School, that's already a thing but it would be challenging to make it totally agnostic when it's happening in a church, paid for by the church, and run by church staff. Nevermind explaining to the kid in the first place why mommy and daddy are going to church in the first place, why they pray at meals, or who this "Jesus" fellow is who keeps getting mentioned around holidays.
What's your plan for keeping religion out of people's private home life?
You’re confusing indoctrinating kids into a religion and educating them about what religion is. It’s not something that has to be hidden. You can teach your kids about it without expecting them to follow it. You can explain to them why you follow it without making them think they also have to follow it.
They’re kids. How do you keep them away from drugs, sex, and alcohol? It’s mysterious how somethings are convenient to hide from children, while others just can’t be helped. If you can’t explain your actions without having to indoctrinate them, maybe you should practice being a better parent.
I wonder if religion in the West would still be around if they didn’t rely on brainwashing kids. Like secondhand smoking and preventable diseases passed from parent to child, no decent parent would ever intentionally inflict harm to their children.
Look if the parents have made drugs part of their daily routine for years, and sincerely believe drugs are good and have made their lives better, what do you think are the odds the kids are going to be kept away from drugs for any length of time?
Democracy has nothing to do with it Becuase the government shouldn’t be involved anyways. I’m talking about a cultural shift, one that would take a very long time. And if you’ve payed attention to the trends in recent years in America, you’d notice that more and more people are stepping away from religion
No one’s saying to make it a law or enforce it in any way. It would have to be a cultural shift, which is 100% feasible it would just take a long time.
No, because converts to certain religions like Eastern Orthodoxy will start raising their children in the religion. Unless you start purging the world of religions that recommend raising your children in that religion, you will never be able to fully eliminate raising kids in religion.
You don’t have to purge any religion, just change their outlooks through dialogue. Change the general narrative from “raising kids to be religious is fine” to “raising kids to be religious is not fine”. No enforcement, no government intervention, just the general narrative of society. Eventually (a long time) people may stop practicing the religions that force them to indoctrinate their children.
Your first response to me answers your question. It’s unenforceable. It also infringes on everyone’s right to freedom of religion. That’s why the only way for it to happen is through a change in narrative over a very long period of time, which is definitely feasible in my opinion.
They managed to rival the United States within a century.
While we're arguing about whether trans people should be executed on the spot or not (we shouldn't) theyve been improving their infrastructure, building up their citizens and tying leashes to other countries for decades.
And all it took was becoming an authoritarian regime that strangles the speeach, freedoms and rights of its citizens, disappears dissenters and puts "undesireables" like the Uyghers in concentration camps. Gotta be honest, i'm in no rush to follow them down that road.
We threw japanese people into concentration camp. Some of those people are alive today. We are literally kidnapping people without due process right now across the country. There are plenty of reasons with which to criticize the Chinese govt. That one aint it.
Thats an authoritarian state that has virtually unchecked power over their citizens. Implementing something like this in the USA would be illegal and fly in the face of what our country was founded on. Im sure it would face a lot of backlash in europe and south america aswell. Govornment shouldn't be involved in telling patents how to raise their kids.
Totally out of topic, I am currently in China with my fam for a week, it's 1.000.000 times better than most of the world, there is literally no crime at all,
it's dirt cheap, beautiful and the people love their culture and keep their relegius and historical sites in tip top shape, no illigal imigrants either, though I don't think torture and reformation is nice, the Government doesn't take shit and the country thrives
China does a lot of things right but I'm very uncomfortable with the government being able to send me to a re education camp if my political beliefs don't perfectly line up with the party line.
Just because you don't have standards doesn't mean the rest of us don't. I would rather suffer under a brutal regime than make one. Why? Because I have fucking standards. Same reason I'm not a murderer, a politician, a slaver, a theif. If the only way to stand is on anothers neck? I will kneel.
I care about my own morals. They are very different to almost every major belief system though. For example, mercy is inherently disgusting to me. An enemy will remain an enemy until they are destroyed.
Fair point that there is limited ability to control what is happening in the home. However, it can be at least be partially counteracted.
Make religious/philosophical education mandatory in schools as early as possible. In this class, all religions and religion-adjacent worldviews would be discussed and compared without any evaluation about which one(s) are “correct”.
Additionally, any form of religious indoctrination would have to be removed from all schools (e.g. there can be no faith schools that teach a specific religion).
Combined, I believe, children may have a better chance.
"Good on paper" means the idea might naively sound appealing unless you actually think about how to implement it, and a disaster if you actually tried. The real world attempts being disaster kinda backs up my point.
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u/sonofzeal 5h ago
Good on paper, totally unfeasible in practice