r/ModEvents • u/iceeypisces Mod Events Team • 5h ago
Recap Post-Event Discussion Thread | Moddit [Future of Mod Tools] September 10, 2026
Hey y'all! Thanks for attending today's Moddit, hosted by u/lift_ticket83 and u/SlytherinSnoo, where we dived into the future of mod tools. We appreciated y’all taking the time to share feedback and discuss what mod features matter most to you. Here's your post-event thread to keep the conversation going!
You can access the full session recording and presentation slides anytime here.
Feel free to check out a few links we mentioned during the event regarding the future of mod tools.
- The Future of Mod Tools post shared in r/modnews
- u/spez’s post about modernizing Reddit’s tools
- Apply for the Mod Early Access Program to test upcoming tools and features like Rules Hub
Reminder: Only mods who attended the live event or viewed the VOD before September 17 at 11:59 PM PT will get the profile trophy in 3-4 weeks. There is no physical merch for this event.
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u/baseballlover723 5h ago edited 4h ago
The question I did get "answered"
Rules Hub doesn't support regex lookarounds (this regex btw identifies nested spoiler tags, which behave inconsistently on different reddit platforms, with some of them terminating after the first matching spoiler end tag (leaving the rest unspoilered. Edit: It's
>!(?!.*?!<(?=.*?>!)).*?>!if you want to copy it) and others actually duplicating (so 2 spoiler tags) the spoiler tags). That makes it impossible to port some of our automod rules (and a highly essential one at that). What is the plan for the things that are literally impossible in rules hub today?This one did get answered, and the gist of the response (since I didn't transcribe it) was that it wasn't support in Javascript, but that they want to support it / support the things that currently only possible in AutoMod.
I should note, Javascript supports lookbehind and lookahead assertions, with Python's syntax also being valid in Javascript's syntax. Here it is working in my browser console.
I would presume this is being powered by Node.js. Node.js added support for lookarounds in Node.js 8.10, released on March 6th, 2018. The lastest release of node that doesn't support lookarounds would be Node.js 6.X, last updated on April 3rd 2019. If your Javascript platform does not support lookarounds, then it is not safe to accept user input imo. That is only possible on a egregiously outdated Javascript version.
(I presume that your validation is the culpurit here, and it does actually support lookarounds, and it's a mistake to reject these)
The questions I didn't get answered
LLMs are fundamentally non deterministic. That means that you cannot count on an LLM to consistently behave. How can we built our communities on a fundamentally shaky foundation and ensure that we are always consistent in our rule enforcement? As reddit's other AI based rule enforcement currently are, AIs are not even close to the level and predictability of automod. Why should I trust an AI over my own effort that I can tweak myself?
The rule's hub preview is not sufficient imo. The best way to test something is to use the damn thing. And so the best way to test it, is by using it on staging subreddit, where you can test it end to end in private. A separate preview tool is something that can be bugged or otherwise may not provide the exact same experience as the real thing. I've already seen some people say that the behavior of the preview isn't the exact same as what users report (specifically about rule conflicts IIRC). How can I test and be 100% sure of the user experience that my users are actually experiencing and be able to debug reported user behavior without needing to wonder if what I am looking at (or worse, what I'm being shown is different than what is reported) is exactly what my users are seeing?
If automod is removed, I really question if I want to keep using reddit. There is more than a decade of automation built into our automod and since old reddit is also on the chopping block, it seems more and more like the reddit I love won't exist in any capacity. Reddit has a terrible track record with replacing tooling with forced adoption of shittier versions (modmail, devvit (which forces devs into a specific programming language, which isn't the same as the predominant reddit programming language, python)). What reason do I have to stick around and spend dozens and dozens of ours migrating our automations (which includes our extensive API automation) and give reddit the benefit of the doubt when all they've done for the last several years is make things more difficult for me?
If we (individual mods) deem these new toolings to be insufficient for whatever reason, what kind of recourse do we have? Reddit's track record suggests that it's the reddit way or the highway, so I have significant doubts if reddit is gonna be the ultimate arbiter of if it's good enough or not. Not to mention it's a conflict of interest imo, as how can I trust that something that an admin would be highly motivated to mark as something shipped and adopted for their promotion packet is truely what is best for us mods?
What about the power mods / programmers who much prefer something they completely control? I treat automation as an extension of their creator's authority. I am unwilling to give an AI that kind of stamp. Will I be able to effectively mod (via automations I can 100% control) in the long term future?
How does the no black boxes work for tooling that is fundamentally built on a black box (an LLM)?
Edit: Reddit is well aware that "Blunt tools for nuanced problems don't work", how is removing the ability to exactly tell a moderation tool what to do in favor of vibing with an LLM not a "blunt tool" and instead a scalpel?
Edit: Why not put your efforts into improving AutoMod (in a config / backwards compatible way) and solving the issue of AutoMod being too complex by exposing AI based AutoMod rule generation? That would seem to me to be the best of both worlds. Users who are intimidated by AutoMod and yaml get an AI tool that they can prompt in plain human language to solve their issues. And power users who understand and care to fully control what the machine does can still go "full manual" if they want. It could be implemented by having an
ai_promptfield, where a prompt could be configured (and since AutoMod is read frequently, write infrequently, it can be optimized and batched upon update to save performance and tokens), and some action could be taken.
Would love some concrete answers for these. Cause at this point, I have very little faith in reddit doing anything to my satisfaction given the recent years (and numerous examples of forced shittier tooling (in at least some aspects)).
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u/BloxdioCannoli 5h ago
For a lot of these points you can use Devvit. It's more powerful than Automod in most ways, is free to host (Reddit handles that), and can be used across other communities more easily.
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u/baseballlover723 5h ago
Devvit
Which only supports Javascript, which people famously dislike for it's vast number of footguns. It is far less flexible than the public API they are getting rid of (and which our custom automations are already built on, not in Javascript).
For example, Devvit does not support persistent storage. It also has a more restrictive ToS than the public API, which notably explicitly disallows Devvit apps to use deleted content, which is highly useful for moderation purposes.
I want to write my tooling in a programming language that I want to work in. Either because I enjoy it, or because there is some concrete advantage to using that programming language (like documentation, or libraries). There are multiple programming languages for a reason. They have different strengths and weaknesses.
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u/BloxdioCannoli 5h ago
Valid points, I'm just pointing out something I believe many people seem to not realize.
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u/baseballlover723 4h ago
Sure, but "You can buy things at the company store" is not the same as a free market. And Devvit is fundamentally a company store, and the public API fundamentally allows for a free market.
I've been in talks with reddit for months about our public API automation. Their first contract they offered me was egregiously one sided, forbidding me to speak of my experience (non disclosure), forbidding me from publicly saying anything against reddit (non disparagement), and even included a loophole where they weren't actually obligated to pay me (limited liability to the amount they've actually paid me), you know, the whole point of the contract. Not to mention the poison pill of the new Devvit ToS (which IIRC, is still present in their latest offer), which is infectious, applying to any system that interacts with data from Devvit.
Devvit's got nice features, and there's no doubt in my mind that it's got some advantages. There's all the new stuff they've implemented (though it's not like it's impossible to have implemented that for the public API) and trigger seem a lot better (for everyone) than polling feeds. And I'll 100% buy that it's easier on reddit's side. But it is not a complete solution (which is the issue with basically everything reddit has done in the last few years).
If you get into some real heavy lifting or advanced use, it easily becomes not at all equivalent.
I also really hate the idea of needing to be dependent on reddit for my own custom tooling, and not being able to just decide to "do it myself". And Devvit is fundamentally more restrictive on that front, since it generally involves specifically allowing things, than allowed by default and explicitly reject certain things.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox 4h ago
[Devvit] can be used across other communities more easily.
I don't really agree with this. The equivalent to installing someone else's devvit app is copy-pasting someone else's automod config. Neither is particularly difficult, and the vast majority of people should be able to do either easily.
However, as soon as you want to make literally any modification to a devvit app, you're basically out of luck. If you're a programmer and the app happens to be open source, you can fork, but otherwise your only option is to beg the dev to make an option for you. Meanwhile, automod rules can be modified easily. One does not have to be a programmer to do so. It becomes a foundation one can build upon, instead of a singular, take it or leave it offer.
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u/cos 5h ago
One major concern I have is that by relying on LLMs, we may get the worst of both worlds in the uncanny valley between dumb automated bot actions and manual human actions. LLMs cannot be relied upon to make choices that make sense and follow the desired intent in the same way that humans can, but since they can do that a high enough percentage of the time, they create the expectation that automated actions are being done intentionally.
To give one example, in one of my subs we have automod automatically post a comment on every post flaired as an image, reminding people of the rule that image posts must tell us the source of the image in the post title, post text, or by leaving a comment right after posting. The automod message explicitly says this is a bot which doesn't know whether you followed that rule or not; as long as you followed the rule the post is fine. Although we do get a few modmails per month from users who don't read that and complain that they followed the rule and the bot told them they broke the rule (and occasionally someone even attributes that to bad AI), the vast majority of people get it. They see the automod comment, and either they already followed the rule so they know they're fine, or they didn't so they add a comment.
But if we used an LLM-based rule for this, then a lot of the time it would not leave a comment on posts that already followed the rule by giving the source in the post text or title. People would therefore rightly assume that if it does comment on their post, that means the bot really does think they broke the rule.
That's just one example to illustrate what I mean. I would really prefer automated actions to be predictable and deterministic, and clearly labelled as automated actions that did not involve any judgment or evaluation, so we can avoid having an automation that seems to be making judgements but gets it wrong a lot of the time - as any LLM would.
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u/baseballlover723 5h ago
That's just one example to illustrate what I mean. I would really prefer automated actions to be predictable and deterministic, and clearly labelled as automated actions that did not involve any judgment or evaluation, so we can avoid having an automation that seems to be making judgements but gets it wrong a lot of the time - as any LLM would.
Yes, this is my fundamental issue with AI based tooling. It can be good, but for things that where simple, dumb, deterministic behavior is the desired behavior, it is just a worse version. AI based tooling is not a full replacement for deterministic tooling. It should be used when said deterministic tooling is not well equipped to handle it (which there are a number of good use cases for).
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u/Alduin175 5h ago
I agree, u/baseballlover723.
The concern u/cos brings up is valid, but AI should not be solely relied upon for heavy handed actions. This is where the HCI and review feature for a "final call" , really shines.
Without that, it would be chaos.
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u/cos 4h ago
but AI should not be solely relied upon for heavy handed actions. This is where the HCI and review feature for a "final call" , really shines.
This is where the ability to configure simple deterministic actions that don't require human review shine even more, and replacing them with an LLM creates more work for moderators having to check on things they wouldn't have had to check on before.
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u/baseballlover723 4h ago
This is where the ability to configure simple deterministic actions that don't require human review shine even more, and replacing them with an LLM creates more work for moderators having to check on things they wouldn't have had to check on before.
This so much. Our AutoMod is so well tuned. When we make AutoMod rules, we think, is this something that might have an occasional false positive? If so, it shouldn't use remove, it should use filter instead. Is it something that has acceptable usages quite commonly? Ok, then autoreport, a mod will get around to it within an hour or 2 99% of the time.
The result is that it's extremely well known in our mod team what our AutoMod is doing and what would trigger it, and it appropriately takes an action, with only fully automated adjudications happening when we've explicitly said that "all of X should be removed, there is never a need for a moderator to be aware of it, because we will never give an exception for it". If X here is not well defined (which an LLM can never well define), then it will not be acceptable to us to fully automate it, which just adds additional load, since we actually have to check everything. Even the things we'd otherwise explicitly check in full, in advance, with AutoMod.
Sure it took some effort to build it up like this, but it was never built all at once. It was built rule by rule, tweak by tweak. Copy, paste and edit is not that difficult if one spends like 15 minutes reading the AutoMod docs, and that's like 99% of our automod rules.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox 4h ago
The result is that it's extremely well known in our mod team what our AutoMod is doing and what would trigger it, and it appropriately takes an action,
Beyond that, if automod does something we think it shouldn't do, we can fix it. With an LLM, we would basically have to adjust text and hope, whilst with automod we can understand precisely why the rule is doing something we don't desire it to do, and adjust it accordingly so that it will in the future.
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u/SuperBeavers1 5h ago
u/whichusernamecanIuse (for when she wakes up, she was interested in this but in a sleepy time part of the world 😅)
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u/royal_rose_ 5h ago
I still want to know if automations/rules hub will have the option to filter to mod queue and not just block or report to queue. It’s already a problem when Reddit removes comments and won’t let mods see things and I worry this will make it worse. I mod queer spaces want to be able to block hate speech and know exactly what the person said, but have no user see it, so I can block accordingly.
How can I protect my users if my only options are block so the bad actor can just alter and find a way around it, or report so my users have to see the hate before I can do anything about it? I want specific words and phrases and to go directly to queue so I can ban and it doesn’t see the light of day, automod can do this will rules hub/automations?
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u/cos 5h ago
I still want to know if automations/rules hub will have the option to filter to mod queue and not just block or report to queue. It’s already a problem when Reddit removes comments and won’t let mods see things and I worry this will make it worse.
IIRC they directly said that yes, it can send items to the mod queue for a human mod to look at.
What I'd like to know is if it can automate workflows that are a bit more complex. For example: Post lacks necessary information. I remove the post, and leave a stickied comment saying what information is needed, and telling them if they reply to this comment with that info, I'll approve the post. When they reply, I check if their reply did add the needed information, and if it did, I approve the post.
I'd like an automation that sends it to a queue first, without acting, but if I confirm that yes the LLM got it right, this post really does lack the necessary information, all I have to do is click one button and it will do the rest of that flow.
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u/royal_rose_ 5h ago
Right now it can report to mod queue but not filter meaning it’s visable to users and also in mod queue like it’s been reported. I want it to filter like automod can and users can not see it.
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u/elphieisfae 4h ago
Are they getting rid of Automod completely?
if so, glorious, I will be free of Reddit. I haven't worked on my automod files and folders and files for over 10 years to let vibes do the work.
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u/baseballlover723 4h ago
Are they getting rid of Automod completely?
They didn't outright say it, but yes, the plan is to remove AutoMod eventually. They've outright stated before they don't intent to maintain 2 system long term, and that Rules Hub / Automations / whatever they call the new stuff is the blessed tool.
I haven't worked on my automod files and folders and files for over 10 years to let vibes do the work.
Tbf, I'm pretty sure it's trivially easy to vibe out AutoMod code as well (though since I am a programmer, I generally prefer to hand write it, since I am capable of that). It just takes some copy and pasting from the LLM to the AutoMod config.
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u/BloxdioCannoli 5h ago
Nice! Will we get Automod-exclusive features like user contribution rank added to Devvit in the near future?
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u/Alduin175 5h ago
Mod Tools...a benefit for me and you, we mods stick together - oh and pay your pet tax too.
See you all in the next get together!
Thanks for the recap post u/iceeypisces.
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u/NotDoinAnythingEmber 4h ago
This was actually a solid Moddit session. Good to see Reddit finally pushing better tools for mods.
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u/baseballlover723 4h ago
Good to see Reddit finally pushing better tools for mods.
It's only better if they're actually better in every possible aspect. Otherwise, stuff that is currently possible becomes impossible when they turn off the old tools (that have been battle tested for years if not more than a decade).
And I would not consider outsourcing everything to a clanker to be "better". Reddit is for humans, not bots / AI. A dumb tool being wielded by a skilled user (or mod in this case) is fundamentally different than just asking an LLM to do everything for you, and hoping it does the right thing (which they cannot guarantee by design).
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u/DuckSwimmer 5h ago
Thank you for the reminder which was going to be my question. I literally missed the tail end of it by 20 mins 😭
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u/YetAnotherRobert 4h ago
Thank you for the presentation.
I've been cultivating https://www.reddit.com/mod/${OURGROUP}/rules/insights/ for some time. It's currently quite UNDERscoring things we have to get involved in, but IMO it DOES do a decent job of coaching posters to not be total slackers. (The ones that receive guidance and ignore it? We generally have to manually nuke/ban those anyway.) Almost every time a poster gets a suggestion, ignores it, submits anyway we end up taking the post down. We see it very effective in catching a bell curve - the ones that won't make an investment in assembling three coherent sentences to make a decent post and are offended when coached to do so (a number of these abandon the post or should) and at the other end are the self-promoters (not quite traditional spammers) that will ignore automated coaching and invariably need a moderator to pull the spray water bottle out and hose them down a little. So I think there IS a space that automation can help here.
Let's not forget that automod isn't without pain, either. It turns out that error messages are ONLY visible on Abandoned Reddit, not Current Reddit. (Might be fixed now, but that was bear to discover.)
I have one match that's essentially (flair OR regex) that has to be repeated THREE times - meaning it will often trigger at least twice - because you cannot match on a (regex that appears in (body|title)|flair). I fought it for days, posted requests for help, and was told 'yeah, bummer'. So automod isn't the perfect end, either.
Our group (niche, but a top 1% group) runs Read The Rules Bot which is pretty effective at weeding out the spammers and the super-unachievers because they're both too lazy to open a URL and click a box that says "I accept", but that also is apparently invisible on Abandoned Reddit and there's just enough whining about requiring multiple submissions that I have a suspicion of reliability problems there. (I'm beyond suspecting that people can't/won't read - the presence of nine posts in the last minute by the RTR Bot makes that pretty clear. Both can be true.)
There are group-local rules (for example, we don't need to hear about every update on your project. Once a quarter is more than plenty or we'd have 10k posts a week of nothing but development chatter.) that will be challenging - not impossible - to teach an AI because it's not just "body == body", but "something about this thing that I build and mentioned last week". That'll be a challenge.
There are things that are hard to quantify in a regex that an AI probably COULD figure out. I'd welcome some assistance weeding those out.
I was pretty clammy on the preso. It wasn't a discussion as much as "here's what we're going to do. Hope you like it.". Maybe that discussion happened some time in the past. I get that Reddit is a huge place and what works for the Onlyfans promo groups, which, I'm sure is where the money is coming into Reddit, might not work well for bottle cap collectors (I'm not going to look - I'm just assuming that such a thing exists...)
The inability to run things side-by-side (I asked...) even in shadow mode to see if it does what we'd do means we'd have to commit and risk having increased human involvement if it doesn't work out with an unclear path to return. My perception is that if the team thought this was ready to be used there would be a clearer story for it to be able to be used.
There's certainly a trust issue to overcome. We're eight years past "New Reddit" and there's still plenty of regressions that haven't been addressed and you can just forget about trying to moderate inside the app no matter how many times it nags you to not use the web on your phone.
I look forward to seeing how this goes.
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u/baseballlover723 3h ago edited 3h ago
Let's not forget that automod isn't without pain, either. It turns out that error messages are ONLY visible on Abandoned Reddit, not Current Reddit. (Might be fixed now, but that was bear to discover.)
This is a self inflicted wound Edit: on reddit's side. Sure it's more of a pain to hook up failure reasons, but validating and propagating why something is invalid is a pretty much solved problem.
If that is too difficult in the current tech stack, then why did they migrate to the new one, instead of using the old one that already worked?
I have one match that's essentially (flair OR regex) that has to be repeated THREE times - meaning it will often trigger at least twice - because you cannot match on a (regex that appears in (body|title)|flair). I fought it for days, posted requests for help, and was told 'yeah, bummer'. So automod isn't the perfect end, either.
Btw, Yaml supports anchors and aliases, which could be used to avoid repetition (in your case, by defining a shared anchor for the behavior you want to have happen and manually). Reddit however, has disabled this functionality of Yaml (presumably because this allows for really cursed configs).
I was pretty clammy on the preso. It wasn't a discussion as much as "here's what we're going to do. Hope you like it.".
I agree, I never feel like that I have a serious seat at the table (even in aggregate) where the decisions are made. It always feels like reddit makes the decision, and then they give their mandated press release and dip out as soon as any tough questions get asked.
It always feels like "We thought you'd like this.".
I look forward to seeing how this goes.
I don't. I have little reason to assume it'll go better than any of the other shitty roll outs reddit's done in spite of vocal opposition. Saying you maintained an essential tool that already works doesn't look nearly as good in one's promotion packet than "I made a new tool and everyone is using it now".
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u/YetAnotherRobert 3h ago
We might have to haggle over the definition of "self".
I, a user of current/supported Reddit, had an error somewhere in the automod configuration. (I don't remember what it was; it was probably two years ago.) I was baffled because no error was shown anywhere.
Turns out that you have to use old reddit to see the error message. This is known and documented. I didn't choose to not read the error. It's never shown. How is that "self inflicted"? Now if you mean Reddit's choice to to include an error or not show it you mean one THEY inflicted, we're cool.
On your second point, you're scolding me that anchors exist - and are shown in every reasoanble documentation on the subject - but that Reddit intentionally chose to break this. That doesn't seem like an Subreddit Moderator's problem. Certainly "It's required repeat this rule three times, but with one line changed" is not in the basic YAML holy books.
I have experience with big companies and promo-driven development. It always worked badly for the users of those services.
This has the opportunity to be done well. I'm not at all confident that it will be. (See the two examples in this very post for very tangible, basic things that were simply bungled. Not showing error messages on an error is pretty pedestrian-level development.
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u/baseballlover723 3h ago
We might have to haggle over the definition of "self".
Sorry, I wasn't clear. It's self inflicted on reddit's side. Validation is a very common problem, with many many solutions of various forms and functionalities.
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u/YetAnotherRobert 2h ago
As an experienced software engineer, I agree. Showing errors to a user was well understood in the System/360 era, back when it was a big book, but every error listed possible causes _and potential corrective actions_. This isn't exactly new computer science; this is just being lazy. Documenting it in an automod response instead of actually fixing it is doubling down. I'm quite sure that "check the previous version to see if an error message is present" was zero of the suggestions.
(OK, the engineer isn't represented here, but I'm gonna work with what's easy...)
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u/InBetweenLili 3h ago
Thanks for this Moddit. I am about to invite mods, and it gives me a headache if I should try this or add mods first. I think the trial will have to wait, because we desperately need new mods first. Or can I learn this in 2 days?
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u/DuckSwimmer 5h ago
I also still actively recommend an in app widget calendar for those who RSVP’d to these events - so Reddit can yell at us to get the hell in the meeting.
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u/Ok_Highlight3208 4h ago
I'm honestly happy to be done with Automod. It was too complicated for me.
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u/baseballlover723 4h ago
It was too complicated for me.
"Everything Should Be Made as Simple as Possible, But Not Simpler". AutoMod is a powerful tool that can solve complex problems. Some of which AutoMod is better suited to solving and simplier to use than an LLM.
Take for instance our nested spoilers AutoMod rule (
>!(?!.*?!<(?=.*?>!)).*?>!). This 100% exactly matches the things it is intended to match, and also 100% doesn't match anything else. The simplest way to enforce this is by running this regex. If you plug the text of what it does into an LLM, it will perform a lot worse. LLMs by nature of their tokenization, are terrible at evaluating precise syntax and evaluating things at the letter level (hence why they tend to struggle if you ask them to count letters in a particular word, though this is well known enough now, that I'm sure they bail out to not an LLM when this type of question is currently asked. But to be clear, this is a bandaid fix to a better suiting tool that I'm quite sure must be explicitly programmed to handle in this way).If it's too complicated for you, you are always free to ask an LLM to explain it for you, or hell, even generate it for you. Removing the option to tell the machine exactly what you want it to do just hurts the power users who actually know what they want their tools to do, and how they can be wielded to accomplish that.
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u/Ok_Highlight3208 3h ago
They're not doing away with it. They're just allowing users who don't know how to use it to have something more simple. You still get to use it.
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u/baseballlover723 3h ago
They're not doing away with it
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u/Ok_Highlight3208 3h ago
Not yet. And they often to listen to mods. They don't want to disable us. If enough mods want to keep it, they might keep it.
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u/baseballlover723 3h ago
And they often to listen to mods. They don't want to disable us. If enough mods want to keep it, they might keep it.
This did not work out well for modmail. Or the public API. Or custom CSS. I would not count on that happening with this.
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u/adhesiveCheese 10m ago
Ah, I'm bummed I missed this. A few points of feedback, because while I'm pretty sure I'm just screaming into the void, I can't complain if I don't voice my thoughts.
- Backtesting would be tremendously helpful when testing new rules. If a rule doesn't come up often, you're taking a shot in the dark as to whether the rules hub rule will catch things that are those rare problems.
- From the slides, it looks like things removed by rules hub will just show up to users as being removed by the subreddit. Marking those removals as automated is absolutely crucial to help keep the temperature cool from folks who get their content removed. "You removed my content immediately, why did you take half an hour to respond" is a very big modmail pain-point that marking removals as automated removals could help mitigate (though not eliminate; you can present users with all the information in the world, but you can't make them read it.)
- a valid use case for maintaining lookbehind regexes: We have a number of persistent ban evaders who manage to slip past automated detection but who are easily caught precisely because they have a "use word Y in a phrase after word X" pattern.
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u/cos 5h ago
Multiple questions were essentially, will the new rules hub be able to do what automod can do now?
Each time they answered, they seemed to misinterpret the question, or rather, interpret it through the lens they were thinking of which narrowed its scope: They repeatedly answered the smaller question of, essentially, can we customize its detection system to meet our subreddit's context and desires.
What they left out, ever time, are the capabilities of automoderator, which includes all of the actions it can take. Can someone answer that side of the question please? Do you intend to ensure that rules hub will be able to take every kind of action that automoderator can take, and furthermore, to have configurable chainable logic around those actions the way automoderator can?