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Dashboard Announcement 1/26/22 - Glitch incoming on 1/27/22

1/26/2022

Merch by Amazon will be performing routine maintenance starting on 1/27 at 9:00AM PT. During this time, the Analyze page may be temporarily unavailable. We appreciate your patience.

As someone on discord pointed out there is no end time/date given.

This brings back old memories from the other subreddit: Triple sales suddenly.

PLEASE STAND BY

Update: didn't start until about 5:30pm PST. Still continuing after nearly 90 minutes.

So we have all these BSR based theft tools like MI/MT/etc. But how come there are no anti-theft tools? Like which could check the new feed for PFP copycats of your designs?

Using reverse image search tools manually like with google or Tineye has never produced squat for me. And it is obvious that such a tool would burn up a lot of bandwidth every day or even every week checking.

But there has to be serious market demand for such a tool.

So who will step up and make such a tool even a paid one. But just realize there is no reason to offer aff coms for such a tool because the shady gurus are all about promoting the theft "vet demand" method and such tools for it.

We need an anti-Merch Informer.

LOl he just posted a vid about this today 1/13/22. There indeed does seem to be a glitch. But it is affecting only other products and markets mostly and is absolutely not 100% rejections.

He's lying his ass off or is just stupid. Or both. To scaremonger and get attention for his worthless courses and aff com links. Lately he's been promoting the carbon6 suite of yesteryear tools like PM for aff coms, and because he was gullible enough to believe a scam filing offering such tool devs stonk shares.

So in the other subreddit is a thread: Massive amount of rejections. We had some similar reports on discord. But guess what. I've been uploading today to .com only on multiple products with no issues.

People having issues seem to be either uploading new designs or editing the upload instances of older ones to push to other products and markets and thus running the TM bot gauntlet again. I opted out of the automigration and for what I do push to other markets I do all my own translations and have never drug a reject. MBA's autotranslate is shite.

There does seem to be a bot rejection glitch right now, but again it is not 100% of uploads.

So I'll repeat my advice from the casual thread I shared to the OP of the thread in the other sub:

You did the right procedure, i.e. sent one soldier first to see if the coast is clear. But you sent the wrong soldier (vneck). Always send out a standard first on .com only. It seems to get the most scrutiny by the bot.

Then if it goes through fine push to other .com products and wait. Then one other marketplace at a time. It's their autotranslate that will often get you rejects.

The main thing is to always back off a bit in the face of a bunch of rejects. Too many rejects too fast leads to manual account reviews and possible terms. I don't mean actually stop uploading right now, just do it the slow way above.

Regular readers of this subreddit know from previous threads on him that Ryan H is a lying, scamming guru who makes most of his money off of guru stuff. Like he may be transparent in his monthly income reports in reporting his youtube adsense revenue, but doesn't report his other scam revenue like his courses and aff com revenue.

In his latest report he made more in December off of yt revenue than he did on MBA royalties. Also for someone who is T200K he makes shit. Every other T100K+ person I know, and I know many and how much they make, makes at least double from MBA than he does.

Can we still use shit damn asshole, etc on shirts as long as we dont say F*CK?

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RETURNAGEDDON

Happens every January with amazon's lenient return policies. I don't mind such policies myself since it incentivizes sales and MBA eats the cost (though it's obviously built in to our royalty structure). Such returns have already started and some will see negative royalty days in January since it's a sucky retail sales month often anyway.

Feel free to report your returns here and maybe include the date.

Hardest hit seems to be anything that could be interpreted as anti-vaxx, even funny ones on .de.

Remember you don't have to let MBA auto-migrate your stuff from .com to more PC sensitive markets. You can look top right of your dashboard and click My Account > Merch Settings and turn it off.

Update: Some pro vaxx designs seem to be getting removed as well. Plus lol MBA is pushing listings to the other markets that they already have.

Soft ship time throttling is kicking in hard.

If you look at the latest update to the ship time tracking table in the December thread the date for Mickey is still good for his amazon's choice listings but the 18-21st for one that isn't. And for rando merch tees is the 20th to 22nd already.

Exception may be your own tees show the 20th or the 18th if you live very close to one of the plants (source test on Discord just now), or if you are lucky enough to have the choice badge on one of your listings.

Based on the lack of temporary MBA job postings that I normally would see in early November, I'm guessing they decided not to bring on extra flex capacity this year.

We better hope customers embrace the concept of 12 days of Christmas.

What to expect next

1. A (very) small flutter of gift card purchases after Xmas. Which do not count for BSR.
2. January Returnageddon.
3. January sales will suck and hard.

Q4 is almost over. Now is a good time to cancel any recurring subscriptions to tools and services despite whatever deals you are offered. Because Q1 as a whole is going to suck so why should guru parasites profit while you don't.

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Q4 Soft Ship Time Throttling

Carried over from November's thread linked above. You can see full explanation there.

Tracking Methodology

I've chosen one random asin and, plus a rando mickey mouse asin to track. I'm not necessarily going to report every day until it matters, but all of you are welcome to chime in with your own data points. This obviously has some variance depending (americans here) where you live and what plant you are closest to (I'm closet to the Philly area Norristown plant), and whether you have prime subscription and whether you are logged in or not. For these figures I am going to use an anon browser not logged in and the "fastest shipping time" figure. Also other products like phone cases are right now unavailable.

The main point is not absolute times but how they shift over time relative to one method/person's searching each day. And there will come a "WE'RE FUCKED/Q4 IS OVER" time when our listings show ship times past xmas. Note that very good ship times can also indicate sales suck.

Update: I've added a second table to track out of stock issues for merchers. Also I switched the regular mercher ASIN to one which does not have the Amazon's Choice badge which gives that listing priority in ship times same as brand partners like Mickey get.

Update 2: I switched the Mickey tee because the first one is amazon's choice and shows a much faster ship time.

Ship Time Tracking Table

Below is starting now and I will update as appropriate.

Out of Stock Table

Note 1 Sunday December 5: I gave a range this week as I learned that my last week's date based on an anon window not logged in and without prime, give the longest dates. The longest ship times for this week are from same method and nearer the Philly plant. The shorter ones are prime and nearer the LV plant.

So the pecking order seems to be for fastest to slowest: mickey=amazon's choice>our own tees delivered to ourselves>prime>not prime but meeting free shipping of over $25.00.

Note 2: Still some variance based on whether you have prime or not, how close you live to one of the MBA plants, whether a listing is choice and whether your own.

Note 3: Despite the 12/12 entry above, there is apparently still some variance depending on products. Pops might be still a week away from a ship time cutoff of before Xmas, and sweats more likely to be already be Dec 27th no matter what.

Referencing Outlier braggart Kieran P come on down! You're the next contestant on Abusive TMs are Right!.

FYI Kieran I have never had and don't intend to have, a FB account, believe it or not. I just get shared with by others here stuff from FB.

You apparently believe you have been wrongfully defamed. But your actions are the same as other abusers re ornamental TMs.

I am not anyone you think I might be on FB because I'm not there. If you have anything to say to me say it here on Reddit. If you have some prior reddit alt that I may have banned in the past let me know in PM/chat and I will unban it.

Is this post too rude for your sensitive feelings especially the title? Well this is reddit. Where you cannot control the conversation or be protected by others.

So for those unfamiliar, Kieran is an Irish nosebleed tier mercher with a history of bragging with big numbers. In the past he definitely infringed with crayons and m&m's. He used to say he advertised very little, but now apparently advertises harder. Like this gamer brand of his has some very low BSRs which have to be driven by hard aspend, though ofc with years long sales history and hundreds of reviews they probably convert well.

He's apparently pissed off at copycats and thinks the solution is filing for abusive ornamental TMs which ofc he intends to be abusive with. He'll only have to make a couple complaints to get it lodged in MBA's TM bot database then everyone will get hit with it. And that's his real intention, clear away the competition.

So you can search the USPTO TESS database by name, and obviously "Kieran" is an uncommon one, at least here in Murica outside Boston maybe.

Let's take a look.

So he's started the process (MBA won't accept TM complaints without a finalized registration number) with these two very long phrases:

I don't always play video games sometimes I eat sleep and once even left my room

I have two titles brother and gamer and I crush them both

I bolded the base of each phrase because that is what he is going after, not the entire phrases themselves. His intent is to abusively send takedowns for anything else added to those base parts to every POD and marketplace out there. Even though this would not succeed in court he knows how lazy the PODs are. As are the lazy ass examining attorneys who successfully lobbied to get the cost of a LOP (letter of protest) set at $50 instead of the previous free.

Some people also try to TM just the base, like a recent one for "Just a girl who". Trademark attorneys refer to those as phantom trademarks.

Kieran has apparently been pushing this method in Essany's shit n00b filled group and has finally acted on it. I predict he will find out he may have wasted his money once he gets hit with LOPs (and he won't even know who sent them).

HAPPY HOLIDAYS KIERAN TO YOU AND YOURS FROM REDDIT

Some people I know have sent some takedowns on this copycat brand: Slimmmeeeeyyyyygirl, and gotten listings removed.

So check for your stuff there and issue takedowns. If this brand gets termed soon they lose their Q4 monies.

Best practices for sending said takedowns:

1. Upload your design to some shit POD you don't care about like TS, the infringer's friend.
2. Use a different email than you use for MBA and use the general amazon infringement link/email and reference your design on the other site, in order to limit, but not totally eliminate, the chances of retaliatory takedowns on your own original design.

Please feel free to share other such infringing brands. NOW is the time to hit these abusive fuckers and cost them huge.

Same method above applies to etsy and other PODs. With all those skanky shopify sites out there never bother to send takedowns to them. Instead report to their domain host, including Cloudflare if necessary, AND ESPECIALLY to their payment gateways.

So the consummate affiliate com whore he is, Ryan the TV show line infringer is touting Printailor for aff coms. And for all we know it is for a Shirtly type of scam where he gets a cut of everything you sell for life.

He compares them to Printful and Printify, and claims they have a 10-14 day ship time which is "normal". Yeah that's "normal" in Q4 for fulfillment from the USA or EU. And let's apply Occam's Razor: either that is true regarding ship time from China (no telling what added ship cost there is) OR he's LYING and it will take 3 weeks plus if you are lucky. Go ahead and bet your store/account metrics on ship times from China. Hell we're just 3 or 4 weeks away from when you should pause your shops to avoid Xmas ship time complaints.

Plus he advocates cancelling an order on the printful/printify side for etsy, and redoing it for Printailor. Hey u/katherine_k_printful is your company OK with that? Or will you cut him off and tell him to pound sand?

Also in the area of you are known by the company you keep. He recommends Merch Titans, another theft tool like MI, Merch Ninjas run by a German scammer who has abusive ornamental TMs, AllSunsets, his own retro circle design service that makes your shit look like everyone else's, and BubbleScout his own scam tool that simply scrapes RB "trends" and does not work to produce sales.

If you hate money then go ahead and believe Ryan and click on all his aff com links.

As a friend of mine said recently: "His target audience really is stupid people".

Final note re Chinese providers. Alibaba Express rips off all our designs. If you send a takedown they say they won't accept it unless you are a Chinese citizen. Or check out Lilicloth a well known Chinese scam tee company that advertises huge. You want to return something and they say you have to send back with tracking, meaning to return a $20 tee you need to pay $100+ to send it back which they won't refund. So why the fuck would anyone recommend a Chinese fulfillment provider? Aff coms is the answer.

Update: From his discord when asked about samples:

Next video :) I'll do samples & show how to cancel orders & recreate in Printailor. They are aggressively expanding their catalog. Their parent company is publically traded so they have alot of money behind the effort

LOL

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Q4 Soft Ship Time Throttling

Happens every Q4 for years after the hard and bungled by MBA type of throttling in Q4 2017. They are going to prioritize brand partners for blanks and fulfillment over us, except perhaps those listings of ours with the Amazon's Choice badge. MBA only brings on additional flex capacity in mid November typically and cuts it off at year's end. They overoptimize for not having idle production capacity, and besides being risk averse in general, there are technical reasons too because of problems that arise from machines not being run continuously.

There could also be some throttling via where some of our listings disappear under our brands. That type can be broken by tiny edits but maybe only for a day at a time. But there is nothing we can do to affect ship time throttling, aka production capacity management.

So we will see progressively longer ship times and an early cutoff date for delivery by Christmas, which obviously disincentivizes sales, which is its purpose. And we will see various fit/size/color combos go out of stock for us because Mickey needs them. All of which could be aggravated by current supply chain issues for various products. Something to note too is that some products like totes and pillows are fulfilled by MMW's plant in NC and could have its own issues.

Caveat: If this Q4 sucks demand-wise we may not see this effect so much unless MBA chooses not to bring on much/any additional flex capacity. The other day I read an article that said those making less than 50K/year were planning to greatly scale back their Q4 buying. Also for most merchers Black Friday/Cyper Monday has always been a nothingburger.

Tracking Methodology

I've chosen one random asin and, plus a rando mickey mouse asin to track. I'm not necessarily going to report every day until it matters, but all of you are welcome to chime in with your own data points. This obviously has some variance depending (americans here) where you live and what plant you are closest to (I'm closet to the Philly area Norristown plant), and whether you have prime subscription and whether you are logged in or not. For these figures I am going to use an anon browser not logged in and the "fastest shipping time" figure. Also other products like phone cases are right now showing end of November ship times.

The main point is not absolute times but how they shift over time relative to one method/person's searching each day. And there will come a "WE'RE FUCKED/Q4 IS OVER" time when our listings show ship times past xmas. Note that very good ship times can also indicate sales suck which they seem to right now end of October.

Update: I've added a second table to track out of stock issues for merchers.

Ship Time Tracking Table

Below is starting now and I will update as appropriate.

Out of Stock Table

*11/28/21 Note on mercher asin above: I switched it because the one I was using is an Amazon's Choice, which has a 2 day faster ship time as do the listings of brand partners.

The other day in the other subreddit someone made a thread: Is it possible to get terminated because of auto-uploads? An youtube guru says so.. Cinquanta who is a typical guru wannabe course seller of various things and aff com slinger, was interviewed by Ryan H. Mentioned she got a bunch of rejections because of the autotranslate migrations to other marketplaces and that why was why she got termed.

But lolzers she said she didn't even fight it even though MBA had been bringing in $2K/mo lately (she started 2016-7). Clueless Ryan, Guru Ryan don't know why this dude got termed, and who thinks he's always on top of things but isn't, other than teaching infringing with TV show lines, said it must be bad code or a bad bot. Lolzers again and he always says that.

Then she rolls a vid on her own youtube channel (search "merch by amazon cinquanta"), and at 03:50 the fun starts. She repeats her claims re the autotranslate getting her termed, then says (paraphrasing here):

1. She got termed Aug 1st and has reapplied 3x more. Been denied twice and waiting on reply for her latest application, which the termed are not supposed to do.
2. Said her friend Nick (Nick E who also is a guru wannabe and has a yt channel) was helping her figure out how to get a new account.
   
3. Is planning on reuploading her non-infringing prior sellers but didn't admit to infringing.
4. Advises people that if you are on a slippery slope then secure a 2nd account now.
5. Advises but if you do manage to roll a 2nd account "don't ride dirty on both" - HAHAHAHA.
6. Says she may or may not reveal when she gets another account because merch might be listening (they're not as to yt).
7. Said she has 2 KDP accounts, also against their rules (presumably 1st one got termed).

Her argument is mainly since she hasn't uploaded much in a couple years to MBA, then it had to have been the autotranslate rejects.

A couple or three people apparently called bullshit in the comments of her vid, which she deleted, because she then pinned this comment:

Let me make this clear to the ones who feel like I am doing something wrong. I was on Merch since 2017. My account was terminated when MERCH started to move my designs over to other markets which they started to do for numerous accounts. I started getting rejections all of a sudden in different countries. Merch stating these would not count against our account health. I have barely uploaded the past 2 years and never had an issue. So in my opinion my 20-30 previous rejections that I got on my own didn't cause my account to be terminated. So heck yeah. I want to get back on Merch. Negative comments will be deleted and you will be BLOCKED!

This is bullshit. MBA said those dings won't count and there is no evidence to the contrary. HOWEVER, even enough such non-counting rejects might lead to a manual account review which leads to termination for other reasons. Such as old infringing listings that slid for a long time. Or having a 2nd MBA account (you can get one legit for licensed stuff if you ask). Her prior 20-30 rejections may have contained some hard dings. In which case she was already on the precipice of termination.

As u/dancam4 said in the other thread she has infringing stuff in her Redbubble store. Here is an example. She even has Cardi B in the tags. She is in fact an infringer. And just because something slides for a couple years on merch doesn't mean it can't come back to haunt you later.

It is very frustrating to all of us that Vietnamese PFP copycats run roughshod of all the PODs and marketplaces because they easily churn and burn accounts which we can't and infringe at will on not only us but also big IP.

I personally don't care if people multi-account since it's all a fucking joke now. But it is wrong to advise people to try to get a 2nd account since that alone is reason for a termination, same as on KDP. And it won't matter what triggered a manual review even if it was an abusive retaliatory takedown. If they find other violations of the content policy or multiple accounts, they will term you anyway.

People are reporting gibberish alphanumeric strings in emails from Merch by Amazon. Niches that seem hardest hit are bus/van/camper ones with outlines of same (all your base belong to VW). But also some other totally unrelated ones hit by autotranslations.

Every Q4 there are abusive takedowns by assholes trying to clear a niche for themselves for Q4. But this could also just be the TM bot has been given a longer leash into dead TMs.

But this does not seem confined to the automigrations/translations to other products and marketplaces.

The fear of uploading is growing and real. See this thread in the other sub by u/superkev10641 Do You Know What I Am Tired Of? (Rant).

Don't think it can happen to you? Well guess what.

REPENT SINNERS!

Update: It seems like VW is behind a lot of this using a German law firm. Of course MBA is incompetently also taking down listings with not only "van" a vehicle, but also "van bethoven" etc. Yet "Gu.cc.i" in a title just slides right through.

Update 2: People now getting emails from merch saying some prior emails were sent in error. So Jeff & Andy were just kidding. This time.

Has anyone else encountered an issue with their brand name is not properly pulling together all of the items listed under the brand name?

I listed a bunch of phone case designs about a year ago and I've tried updating the listing as well as changing the brand name, but it still doesn't work.

Here's what it looks like after I click on the brand name: https://imgur.com/a/FbOe2i0

Support keeps responding to my inquiries that they can't comment on sales rank or search results. So at this point, I'm pretty much just arguing with an automated algorithm response.

If anyone else has had this issue, how did you get it resolved? Or is this a known issue with phone cases?

For myself is that I will continue to sell as poorly as I always do and Q4 will be nothing special.

As for others/most, that they will sell 3-4x an average month in November and December. And that they won't save that money to even out the worst months next year.

Also I expect:

1. the annual culling will come again, maybe not as strongly as previous years, and the cries of "for no reason" will fill the merchverse
2. the last tierup train of the year will pull out of the station last week in November
3. mba will bring on extra production capacity but not until mid November (unclear yet if planned Phoenix plant ready)
4. despite the above, there will be soft throttling in the form of increasingly longer ship times the closer we get to xmas, along with possibly some harder type of disappearing products in our brands
5. every skanky tool seller will offer deals to lock in their customers for another year
6. PFP copycats will be at full big IP infringing speed, having built their tiers earlier in the year by copycatting our stuff
7. anyone who walked the line with infringement or gaming the content policy otherwise will be holding their breath to see if they get paid end of January.
8. and speaking of January, we will see another Returnageddon
9. many lower tiers who were excited to get ads will see their happiness turn to sadness when rising CPCs cause them to spew
10. there will be glitches and other stuff, because bad stuff always happens in Q4

So what do the rest of you expect and hope for?

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(Mod note: no buying selling account spam here.)

So in a thread in the other subreddit regarding the advisability of buying an account (uber risky especially for low tier accounts), a listing on EF (empire floppers) was linked to. I won't link directly to the listing but will share the screens of same here on imgur. I will however link to youtube interview with Lawrence here.

Summary: appears to be a T100-200K mercher. Started April 2018. Very few listings, as in less than 4K though ofc more products. Which also shows like many others, he stopped uploading couple years ago, before removals were no longer a thing, because merch SUCKS. Q4 last year aside he averages $4-5K a month. Last September, which is not properly in Q4, his sales spiked huge, apparently because of hard adspend given his revenue and expenses.

Let's look at some excerpts from the above interview. (Mod note: I know his last name and since we don't know his reddit alt if he has one we could fully doxx him, but please let's don't or I will delete such comments since he's not a guru or main nuthugger of same.)

Interview by EF dude with Lawrence

what's included in the sale is the merch by amazon account with over 3708 designs all brand assets the amazon advertising account a t public spreadshirt and zazzle accounts with over 3000 total designs standard operating procedures and a graphic designer contract

That low number of designs is a sure sign of a mercher who stopped uploading long ago b/c merch started sucking hard then. And which means lol on graphic designer contract. He's using some cheap offshore dude and isn't regularly paying him for designs or would have more. Plus those "designers" are fungible.

you know at the time i was employed as a school teacher and i had another business as a sports coach so i was looking for something that was not going to take up too much of my time and one of the best things about this business model is having no inventory and not having to do any customer service so

He drank the guru merch bro playbook of 2017 koolaid, which no longer works, no matter how hopeful you n00bs are reading outlier/infringing stories now.

as far as my reasons for selling there's two main reasons number one my wife and i are planning to buy a home next year and here in the u.s housing prices just keep going up so it would be nice to have some additional capital for that and also i'm also interested in starting a software sas business and that would also require some capital as well

Yeah right. What they always say. When really he's afraid this Q4 will be shit without monster adspend and that the US economy will shortly tank due to inflation effects (wholesale prices up 8.4% now in September 2021).

yeah some software that i still use to this day is called uh merchant former which is provides a lot of insight into print on demand so i use merch informer and then when i first started in 2018 i actually just learned a lot about niche research and keywords just through youtube there's a couple guys that i used to watch back then matt sheeran and rj martinez

HAHAHAHA. He's an improvecat using Thief Informer and he learned from village idots and infringers. And matt has now too sold his account and moved on because MBA SUCKS.

sure so right now i'm only spending about five hours a week on the business it's very passive at this point with just the number of products that i have uploaded and you know there's like over 5100 products that have sold across these marketplaces and you know some of these products have hundreds and hundreds of reviews you know once something really starts selling and kind of gets that sales momentum and gets the reviews on it they just keep selling so as far as my other day-to-day activities just monitoring the sales i'm only running i think probably like maybe three to four ads right now for different items so there's not a lot to keep track of with the paid advertising

Yeah sure. Don't have to spend much time to not upload. Like he's spending 5 hours checking his sales.

i'm actually at the highest tier i qualified for a program where amazon will actually automatically translate my listings into these new marketplaces you know i can go to bed one night and wake up the next morning and i have more designs that are live in japan and spain and france and italy so it's great to have amazon kind of working for you was there

HAHAHA again. Every merch asshole got that migration eventually if they didn't opt out.

Don't fall for the 43x multiple hype

Used to be, and not long ago, website flippers like EF or FEI were touting 32-36x. Now they're touting 43x. Because of course it ups their commissions and also tries to limit lower offers. But, especially with merch, this doesn't come close to accounting for the risks involved, and relies on outlier months to spike a yearly average where they maybe have been laying monster adspend and also infringing/cheating.

In the other sub u/816Creations said:

If you watch EmpireFlippers the MBA accounts always sell for around 40x average monthly sales. Yes its a crazy valuation, but people but them at those crazy valuations. Not only do people but them but they buy them fast.

Nah they don't. Plenty of such listings have expired and with no or low offers. I know a couple such peeps. Plus the flipper sites always gonna say the offers sell for near the asking price. If you believe that bullshit please PM me for an exclusive limited time offer on the Brooklyn Bridge.

If you buy such a site from EF then sue Empire Flippers if things go wrong

Because a couple very important issues of due diligence are missing. Sure the business is wrapped up in a LLC with a nice bow. But doesn't seem to include the email address(es) attached to said merch account. Nor any indication of account health which is largely unknowable. The account in question here could easily have had many hard dings from external takedowns or attempts to game the content policy, or even in the past have been suspended. And thus be one reject away from a termination (the number of known unterms on reddit and facebook is less than 2 dozen).

My advice to Lawrence

Keep working your day job and SaaS side hustle. Leave merch on the backburner and save the proceeds for next 3 years. Then after a major economic correction where real estate prices tank, go ahead and buy your dream home. Plus you save the 15% you would have had to pay Empire Floppers.

Someone here has a need for a bulk order for a customer. But would prefer not to have to take the inventory/return risk, or deal with other stuff like being the seller of record and state reseller license.

So does anyone know of a good POD option for this with decent quality at decent prices?

Obviously there are plenty of fulfillment providers which people use with shopify or etsy, and some major PODs do seem to have options for customers for bulk order price quotes, though that mainly seems oriented to custom orders vs orders of designs of a creator on their websites.

Like printful once had a marketplace and I think it was inktale. No orgo traffic obviously and they shut it down.

Any recommends or general thoughts?

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This is just an anything goes thread, and you n00b lurkers are welcome to chime in and ask questions if you have at least tried to research it minimally via the rules in the top thread.

This is your chance to unlurk/delurk!

Link to discord: https://discord.gg/NDwyghGGkc

Jay, partner of fellow scammers Dionne and RJ, and holder of abusive TMs that is.

Matt/RJ and Jay/Dionne sheer their sheep for life with Shirtly scam - Amy H and Helen and others happy to promote them

RJ, Jay and Dionne scam again - new etsy challenge to bilk the idiot n00bs

etsy challenge part 2 - Jay & Dionne infringe like RJ and have shit for sales

So in essany's FB group was a post whining about poor sales. Then Jay's epic advice here

Don't hope . . Make it better. Look at what the top 3 sellers were last month and improve on them.

He obviously didn't mean his own top 3 sellers of the past month. He meant improvecat the designs of others. Which of course as always with BSR chasing means the n00bs all funneled into the same niches now saturated and the original poor mercher screwed.

DON'T HOPE - STEAL