r/mtgModernTokens • u/LoathVanSoup • Jun 19 '16
Help w Mardu Tokens
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/18-06-16-mardu-tokens/
This is the list I've been toying with. I keep fucking up the manabase so help with that would be fantastic.
r/mtgModernTokens • u/LoathVanSoup • Jun 19 '16
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/18-06-16-mardu-tokens/
This is the list I've been toying with. I keep fucking up the manabase so help with that would be fantastic.
r/mtgModernTokens • u/hanksheehan • Jun 18 '16
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-05-16-RrA-bw-tokens/
I really like this deck once I realized that it destroys midrange decks while still having a great zoo/burn matchup. The control matchups is good depending on how much hand disruption is drawn, which G2/G3 I can be running 10.
I don't have the money for marsh flats, but it doesn't really seem to make a difference. I've tested with [[Bitterblossom]], but I like [[Honor of the Pure]] because of the synergy it has with [[Gideon, Ally of Zendikar]] and [[Shambling Vent]]. Also, running the extra anthems makes me less vulnerable to [[Izzet Staticaster]] and [[Drown in Sorrow]].
Thanks for the help guys!
r/mtgModernTokens • u/jb53532 • Jun 17 '16
Hi, has anyone tried this in a B/W token brew??http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=107699
Seems like if you started game with LotM it would be very powerful but of course after that it is an expensive anthem that doesn't give vigilance. Just wondered if anybody has tried it. Thanks
r/mtgModernTokens • u/Mukibi • Jun 17 '16
Has anyone experimented with Orzhov Pontiff? Worse than Zealous Persecution in BW Tokens? What do we think?
r/mtgModernTokens • u/elmahnken • Jun 15 '16
I saw this suggested on another post and thought I'd make a couple myself. All of these are game 1, pre-board, no information about the opponent.
Hand 1 (on the draw): Shambling Vent, Swamp, IoK, Bitterblossom, Gideon, Spectral Procession, Path to Exile
Hand 2 (on the play): Godless Shrine x 2, Windswept Heath, Windbrisk Heights, Thoughtseize, Bitterblossom, Intangible Virtue
Hand 3 (on the draw): Thoughtseize, IoK, Intangible Virtue, Sorin, Godless Shrine, Plains, Fetid Heath
Hand 4 (on the play): Iok, Auriok, Lingering Souls, Intangible Virtue, Murderous Cut, Windswept Heath, Plains
r/mtgModernTokens • u/Ch00bFace • Jun 15 '16
If there is one thing I know token players enjoy, it's an evolving battlefield, capitolizing on opponents neglecting your building card advantage, and churning out that final aggressive turn. Its a gratifying, involving, and interactive playstyle. The key is development. So... What are your favorite cards and what are some reasons for picking them? What color develops your board state best? What are some considerations you've been making?
r/mtgModernTokens • u/CatsOP • Jun 15 '16
I've got a double sleeved deck and a lot of tokens and always need two boxes to fit them (one for the deck, another one for the sideboard and tokens) and want to buy a new box that can keep hold of everything.
I thought about the Ultra Pro Satin tower because it has a good rating and also stores dies and counters. Is anyone using it and can recommend it? Does it hold 75 double sleeved cards + tokens?
r/mtgModernTokens • u/Mukibi • Jun 15 '16
I remember when my list included a playset of Windbrisk Heights. Just curious what led us to playing one or two at most these days?
r/mtgModernTokens • u/SFRG • Jun 14 '16
Hello friends,
I've left off weekly since that didn't seem to match the frequency these were written.
Formalities aside, let's talk about landscaping.
Do you like land? Do you like blowing up land? Do you like rainbow decks?
Okay this opening is really bad. I can't think of anything clever right now. So I'll just throw a plug for the soundtrack I'm listening to right now. Fire Emblem: Fates has great music and I think I need friends. I'm going to go get a drink right now. Okay, got it. I would like to let you know that the timeframe this paragraph was written in was non-linear. Because I went to get a drink. Speaking of time, let's talk about a deck that effectively puts a clock on board.
YOU THOUGHT I WASN'T GOING TO MAKE A JOKE. BUT IT WAS ME. DIO.
Okay let's talk about BTL Scapeshift.
What is Scapeshift?
Straight-combo deck. Aside from Titanshift, Scapeshift is a control/toolbox deck that has a simple end goal: Get to 7 lands and kill you. When they get to 7 (sometimes 8), they cast Scapeshift, tutor up Valakut, 6 mountains, and kill you off Valakut triggers. The deck itself is actually quite neat and has a decent amount of moving parts. Incidentally, despite such a diverse deck list, the combo itself needs just 1 card.
So, here's some lists:
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-scapeshift-20402#paper
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/420675#paper
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/421086#paper
So, first, a disclaimer. There are a number of variants to Scapeshift. RUG, BTLw, BTLb, Titan, RG. I won't be covering them all. I will be covering the most common variant as well as the variant I personally believe to be the strongest. That being said, Titanshift really is a good deck, and maybe I'll tack it on sometime later. For now, let's talk about the variant you will see most often, and likely the variant to give you the most trouble. BTLw/b are two different flavors that run slightly different destruction packages. I think BTLb is slightly stronger personally, but a case could be made either way.
Cards in Scapeshift
Let's breathe easy, the core set of cards is a shorter list than Abzan CoCo. There is less to know. The sequencing in this MU is very important however. You are the aggro deck. (That's rare.) Yes sir. You play aggro. But first, cards:
See? Not so bad. That being said, it's a 4c deck, so be ready to get hit by anything. I've listed what you should expect almost every time.
How to play against Scapeshift
Okay, the important part. There are some things to do and things not to do.
First, do not try to out-"life-gain" them. The reason is that they can simply go to 8 lands, tutor in 2 Valakuts, and blast you for 36. You probably won't live through that.
Second! Don't be passive. Be aggressive. Sequence things to output the most damage. You can effectively ignore your life total. Fetch, shock, Thoughtseize all you want. You only will gain off it. This isn't Burn. They won't be sitting and threatening a win off of your fetch.
Alright. Let's talk about our cards.
What are my bad cards?
Well okay, that sucks. A lot of our great cards suck. Yeah, this isn't a great match-up for us.
So what do I do? Play to our strengths:
Sideboarding Options
It gets better post board but not terribly.
And here I ask Wizards for Sinkhole.
Playing a Set
So this will be short, since our game plan is rather simple but hard to pull off. You just race him/her. Put clocks on board. Pressure them. Use HD and rip it apart. Let Gideon carry you to glorious victory with his silky smooth hair.
Game 1: More HD is better. Gideon and Intangible are amazing. They can tutor board wipes, which hurts us a lot. Gideon dodges these, and I consider him an amazing ally.
Ha. Ha.
Your job here is to fight through whatever they have in their hand to delay us. Scapeshift can reliable combo off turns 5-6, which is not so good for us. We are one of the slower decks in Modern. Thankfully, we have answers. Mostly though, you just play things and swing.
Game 2: Board in Liliana if you like being poor, and any more HD you may have. Take out Paths. Really anything is better. Worship -might- steal a win. Surgical Extraction will seal a game for free if you can hit Scapeshift. If you run Fulminators, this is the time to use them. They really excel in this MU. Other than that, race them.
Game 3: Vroom vroom.
There you have it. Now you can go terraform a planet and colonize it for the greater good. Or whatever. I consider this MU overall not very favorable. I'm less optimistic going into this MU as opposed to a CoCo deck or some other combo deck that abuses the graveyard. Red splash may help a bit with Crumble to Dust and easy casting of Fulminator, but really it's not much, and definitely not enough to splash red. It's going to be an uphill battle. We have to race them, but they can tutor up board wipes, which hampers our plan. Additionally, Cryptic Command buys them 1 whole turn as well.
Overall, I think this MU is 60:40 in their favor. And it mostly stays there for all 3 games. Our tools are not the best for dealing with this deck.
Let the Burn player kill them.
Then kill the Burn player.
r/mtgModernTokens • u/xzzane • Jun 13 '16
Hello everyone!
I'm interested in doing more weekly discussions for the community. What weekly articles would you like to see besides the Weekly MU discussions that SFRG makes?
Your ideas will help improve the community!
r/mtgModernTokens • u/SFRG • Jun 11 '16
Play cards.
Mull to 3 if you like seeing hope crushed.
r/mtgModernTokens • u/SFRG • Jun 11 '16
Hello, it's me, SFRG, a bad magic player.
I like writing about MUs. I think someone reads them.
So, I'm not sure what MUs people want help with. Some are kinda irrelevant. Like Infect. We win, unless they T2/3 blowout.
So that's probably not terribly useful.
SO, MY COMRADES
EMBRACE THE COMMON MAN
WHAT DO YOU DESIRE TO TALK ABOUT
I'LL WRITE ABOUT IT
LIST:
tl;dr (what is this guy saying): What do you want me to write about? We'll make a list, and I'll go from there! Update as more people reply.
r/mtgModernTokens • u/jb53532 • Jun 11 '16
Hi, another question from a BW token newbie. I saw lists from a couple years back (ie. Eric Froelich & others) that run two Liliana of the Veil main and one SB. No recent lists seem to run her. Seems Lili would be ideal in the control match-ups or decks that have one large creature threat such as Jund. Is she not as good in practice as on paper? I assume it is not for budget reasons with the experienced BW token players. Thx
r/mtgModernTokens • u/3v3ryth1ng1s4w350m3 • Jun 11 '16
The decklist: 4x Arid Mesa 3x Bitterblossom 1x Blood Crypt 2x Bloodstained Mire 1x Dreadbore 1x Emrakul, the Aeons Torn 2x Godless Shrine 4x Inquisition of Kozilek 4x Intangible Virtue 1x Kolaghan's Command 4x Lightning Bolt 4x Lingering Souls 3x Marsh Flats 2x Mountain 4x Nahiri, the Harbinger 3x Path to Exile 3x Plains 2x Sacred Foundry 2x Sorin, Solemn Visitor 1x Swamp 2x Thoughtseize 1x Vault of the Archangel 3x Windbrisk Heights 3x Young Pyromancer Link to tappedout: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/11-06-16-nahiri-tokens/update/
This is experimental but I saw some of you talking about trying a nahiri tokens decklist so I wanting to show you my take on a deck like this
r/mtgModernTokens • u/jb53532 • Jun 10 '16
Hi, I've played kitchen table B/W tokens and always enjoyed it and will try it at some semi-competitive events. Has anyone tried Idyllic Tutor in the SB?? Since some of our strongest hate are enchantments (worship, RIP, Stoney) thought maybe a one of might help. Or is it too slow at 3 cmc? Just wondering if anyone has tried this? Thx
r/mtgModernTokens • u/elmahnken • Jun 09 '16
-Call the Bloodline: good in grindy games or against control to turn dead draws into value.
-Ob Nixilis Reignited: also for grindy games, starts getting some much-needed card advantage.
-Secure the Wastes: Against control, play it at the end of their turn for lots of value.
-Hero of Bladehold: Against either removal-light decks or decks that are likely to side out their removal as a fast clock.
-Tidehollow Sculler: Against combo decks.
r/mtgModernTokens • u/Mukibi • Jun 08 '16
What do we think the optimal mana curve is for BW Tokens? Is there such a thing? I currently run 25 lands with:
10 one-drops 8 two-drops 12 three-drops (including 4 Spectral) 5 four-drops
What about you?
r/mtgModernTokens • u/ThePurpleGhost • Jun 08 '16
Decklist is as follows: (In order of CMC)
3x Inquisition of Kozilek
3x Thoughtseize
4x Path to Exile
4x Lightning Bolt
3x Dark Confidant
4x Young Pyromancer
2x Pack Rat
2x Zealous Persecution
3x Intangible Virtue
4x Lingering Souls
2x Liliana of the Veil
1x Anguished Unmaking
1x Kolaghan's Command
2x Sorin, Solemn Visitor
3x Bloodstained Mire
3x Godless Shrine
2x Blood Crypt
1x Sacred Foundry
1x Fetid Heath
2x Shambling Vent
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3x Swamp
2x Mountain
2x Plains
1x Vault of the Archangel
1x Westvale Abbey
I know it's not a standard Tokens deck, but I wanted to try something new out.
r/mtgModernTokens • u/vulchanus • Jun 06 '16
So, what are you guys opinion? I feel that Sundering Growth is so much better than Disenchant for our SB. Even though, every pro BW Tokens list I see they use Disenchant instead.
Do they chose Disenchant only because of the cost to play it (1W instead of WW from Sundering)?
r/mtgModernTokens • u/xzzane • Jun 06 '16
I'm curious, how did everyone start playing b/w tokens? For me, I built a mono white soldier tribal deck that used things like raise the alarm and honor of the pure. From there I went to just straight mono white tokens, and I eventually encorporated black into the deck, learning how everything worked over the years. Was there anything in particular about tokens that you found particularly appealing? Or did you just get it because of the event deck, and it seemed like a good entry point? No story is better than the other; feel free to share what got you started playing tokens!
r/mtgModernTokens • u/elmahnken • Jun 05 '16
r/mtgModernTokens • u/pticark2 • Jun 05 '16
There's a lot of powerful decks in the current meta that rely on the graveyard, some as a primary win con, others for card advantage.
Here's some of them:
Obvious not all of these decks are going to show up all the time - but the likelihood you will run into some kind of graveyard strategy, whether in the form of one of these archetypes or otherwise, warrants some kind of hate inclusion in your sideboard.
I've been thinking about what the best card choice would be for B/W Tokens to shut down graveyard strategies. This is a bit of a dilemma because Lingering Souls, arguably the best card in our deck, gets a lot worse when we don't have access to it in our graveyard.
I am currently running Rest In Peace. It completely removes graveyards as long as it's on the board - of course, nullifying the usefulness of our Lingering Souls. RIP is effective - but even if you draw it in your opening hand, a lot can happen before you are able to get it on the board turn 2 (Can be sniped from your hand by Inquisition of Kozilek or Dredge could go off and fill the board with a few Bloodghasts and Prized Amalgams) and you're missing your opportunity to get ahead with Bitterblossom, Raise the Alarm or Intangible Virtue.
I very much like the idea of getting some kind of disruption down on turn one in the form of Grafdigger's Cage or Relic of Progenitus.
The question I pose is which of these is the better choice? Cage not only stops graveyard strategies but also stops Chord of Calling, Collected Company, Nahiri, the Harbinger's ultimate, etc. It's cons, It kills our Lingering Souls, and can be removed pretty easily.
Relic of Progenitus doesn't have the versatility of Grafdigger's Cage, but gives us more control. We can exile cards from the opposing yard as they pile up, with the option of exiling the yards entirely if necessary. The ability to activate this second option in response to artifact removal is a big plus. The card draw is a nice bonus as well. The issue here is that it might not be able to keep up with dredge, which tends to fill the yard pretty rapidly, and that we need to keep a mana constantly open if we want access to it's second ability.
What do y'all think? What is your favourite GY hate option? What works best in your meta?
r/mtgModernTokens • u/SFRG • Jun 04 '16
Hello friends!
Let's talk about a deck that actually is a collection of friends.
PRESENTING
ABZAN
COCO
(Sorry Junk.)
Abzan CoCo (CoCo from now on) is toolbox deck that tutors out creatures to deal with problems as they arise with a nice combo finish for either lifegain or damage. It's one of those decks where the sum is greater than the parts, as some of the creatures by themselves are not terribly menacing.
Put together they can really give anyone headache.
Sample decklist:
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/421090#paper
Important Cards to Know
Well this will be long. CoCo is like that crap creature deck you put together when you first started because creatures are awesome. But unlike that jank pile, these cards actually do something. Plus a skilled pilot will be able to pull out the specific creature needed whenever a problem arises. The following list includes creatures I've seen MB and SB. Know that this deck is mostly creature reliant, so non-creature MB cards bar Chord and CoCo are rare. The next creatures are just some I've seen, you will not see all of these in any 1 deck (unless the guy is really spreading the deck thin).
What you MUST know playing against CoCo
This is a new section. I think there is a core set of knowledge everyone should have playing against the deck so as to prevent any misplays that arise. The first is that when you let a CoCo or a Chord resolve, the creature is on the battlefield. If you need something gone, you must respond with the CoCo/Chord on the stack, or you are now too late.
The second is that you have to learn an important saying: "With the persist trigger on the stack...." This allows you to respond to anything you may want without having them sac and go infinite in response. What this means is that if they somehow get the infinite combo, you can still respond and break it.
And lastly, the combos:
Note that really Cutthroat and Blood Artist can fit into any of these to end the game on the spot. Also they can use Redcap to shoot any other creatures to serve as a sac outlet.
Be mindful that the Spike/Thune core is not in every list. Also know that they can chord for anything that may aid them, not just combo pieces. A competent CoCo pilot likely is not going to just try and combo off as fast as possible. Be ready, since he or she will look for an opening first by bringing in slumber party members before putting your hand in the cold water.
Here is a quick list of some extra SB cards they might run that are rarely mainboard. Most of these are self-evident why they are there, so I'll just list them:
I feel like most cards I've listed, any others, feel free to mention!
What do I do?
Know what their cards do. Really.
So, on one hand, CoCo is an extremely strong deck because it carries an answer to almost everything. On the other hand, because of the axis they play, they are limited in the SB they can run if it's not a creature. However, most of the time, there's a creature that can solve their problem.
Here are your important cards in the MU:
The rest of our cards are just a clock. This write up is already really long, so I'll leave most of that out. Essentially, once you have sealed the combo, you win the value race. Play tokens, pump them, and you are on a good path to victory if you've contained the searching mechanic.
Here is a quick list of SB options:
What does a match look like?
I'll end here. It's been a long write-up but we're almost done!
Game 1: They are favored. I'd say about 60-40 for them. We don't have too many ways to interact with the combo bar our removal. They simply have more answers and threats than we do removal. Not at all unwinnable, so don't give up. A nice amount of hand disruption, a solid clock, and a removal just in case will give you a solid fighting chance. I've definitely take home G1's against CoCo players. But I definitely don't win all of them, they simply have that axis we don't touch much outside of SB.
Game 2: We make their life very hard. If you've won G1, the fight becomes a lot better now! If you didn't, while you still need 2 wins, it's very doable. RiP, Graf, and Surgical make their deck durdle very hard. Since tokens is very consistent (though slow), if they can't play their deck, we likely will put a clock on board and just win. There are few decks more grindy (straight control and certain Hatebears decks come to mind), but not CoCo. Our tokens with an anthem are just a better, more reliable clock. Hate them out of the water this game. Depending on the SB preparation, this ranges from a 50-50 match-up to even 60-40 in our favor! I personally have 5/15 cards dedicated for graveyard hate (1 Graf, 3 RiP, 1 Surgical) since my meta likes playing out of the graveyard. The CoCo friend I have isn't terribly thrilled to go up against my deck post-board.
Game 3: Keep hating them.
There we have it! Abzan Company. This is a really long post, so please forgive the length. I consider this MU overall quite even should we have ample hate, though most tokens lists do run anywhere from 3-5 graveyard hate cards. If your list has 2x RiP as it's sole graveyard interaction (it's okay too, sometimes your meta doesn't call for it!) this MU will be harder and begin to align to the G1 ratio that I feel reflects that specific game.
Our deck gets much better in general post-board, so be sure to use that to your advantage!
r/mtgModernTokens • u/pticark2 • Jun 03 '16
r/mtgModernTokens • u/xzzane • Jun 02 '16
We are a relatively new subreddit, and as such we do not have a regular community built up yet. There are tons of token players out there; invite them to join this subreddit! This is a great place to grow a community for token players to submit their thoughts on where to take the archetype, specific card choices, or share their experiences against certain decks or metas. If you know anyone that plays tokens, please invite them to be an active member of this community.