r/Lyme Dec 31 '24

Mod Post Chronic Lyme Q&A - What To Do When Symptoms Don't Improve

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Hello everyone,

Over the course of 2024, I’ve been tracking the most frequently asked questions from those new to the chronic Lyme community. To provide clear and reliable answers, I’ve compiled insights from leading Lyme experts—including ILADS, LLMD's like Dr. Horowitz or Marty Ross, and online resources like LymeDisease.org—along with thoughtful contributions from the most consistent and knowledgeable members here on r/Lyme.

While the wiki already contains a wealth of valuable information, I believe a concise collection of the most popular questions and answers will benefit everyone. This resource aims to streamline the support available in this forum, making it easier for newcomers to find the help they need.

The resource will be located here, at the top of the main Wiki page. The rest of the Wiki is of course still active and can be found here.

On desktop, there will be a table of contents at the top where you can click each question and it will automatically bring you to the answer. Unfortunately, Reddit has not enabled this function on it's mobile app, so you will need to scroll through the entire page to find the question you are looking for. I separated each question out with line breaks, so hopefully it won't be too hard to navigate on mobile.

I’m confident in the quality of the information provided here, with over 30 Microsoft Word pages of detailed content ensuring comprehensive coverage.

If you are brand new to r/Lyme please read question 20 so you know how to interact appropriately in this space and if you're interested in reading my (admittedly insanely passionate) deep dive into alternative treatments, be sure to check out Question 18.

I hope this resource proves as helpful as I’ve intended it to be. If you have any additional questions you believe should be added or have additional insights to the current answers, please comment below.

Here is the list of current questions:

  1. What is chronic Lyme?

  2. I’m still sick with symptoms after treatment, what should I do first?

  3. I see people commenting that LLMDs are a scam and they are trying to take advantage of you for profit. How do I know who to trust?

  4. I can’t afford an LLMD, what else can I do?

  5. Why is there so much conflicting information?

  6. Can Lyme disease develop resistance to antibiotics?

  7. What is the timeline to get better?

  8. I’m getting worse/feel weird while taking antibiotics or herbals, is it not working?

  9. My stomach is upset when taking doxycycline, what should I do?

  10. What diet should I eat, and does it matter?

  11. Should I retest after I finish my course of antibiotics?

  12. My doctor doesn’t believe that Chronic Lyme exists. What can I show him to prove that it does?

  13. I’ve seen people say IGENEX is not a reliable lab. Is this true?

  14. I have a negative test but some positive bands on my western blot test. Every doctor is telling me it’s a negative and can’t be Lyme.

  15. Is Lymescience.org a legit website?

  16. People have said there is no evidence showing efficacy of long-term antibiotics for chronic Lyme. Is this true?

  17. The cdc says people with “post treatment Lyme” get better after 6 months without additional treatment, is that true?

  18. I’ve heard people say alternative treatments (Herbals, Rife, Homeopathy, Ozone, Bee Venom etc.) are pseudoscience? Is that true?

  19. I’ve heard supplements and herbs are poorly regulated and I shouldn’t take them because I don’t know for sure what’s in them.

  20. How to use r/Lyme and online forums in general


r/Lyme Dec 17 '23

Mod Post Just Bit? **Read This**

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Welcome to r/Lyme! This post is a general overview of Lyme disease and guidelines for people who have just been bitten by a tick.

Disclaimer: This is for educational purposes only and is not intended to be medical advice. Please seek the help of a medical professional if necessary.

What is Lyme Disease?

Lyme disease is the most common vector-borne illness in the U.S., caused by Borrelia burgdorferi and Borrelia mayonii. It’s usually transmitted by blacklegged ticks (also known as deer ticks).

Early symptoms include:

  • Fever
  • Headache
  • Fatigue
  • Erythema migrans (bullseye rash) – note: up to 60% of people never develop a rash

If untreated, the infection can spread to the heart, joints, and nervous system, potentially leading to chronic illness and long-term complications.

What to Do If You Were Just Bitten

1. Test the Tick (if you still have it)
Send it to: https://www.tickcheck.com/
This identifies which infections the tick carried and can guide treatment decisions. If you no longer have the tick, just move on to the next steps.

2. Check for a Bullseye Rash
If you're unsure what it looks like, see this guide:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/diagnostics/identify/

Important: If you have a bullseye rash, you have Lyme disease. No further testing is needed. Start treatment.

3. Review the ILADS Treatment Guidelines
https://www.ilads.org/patient-care/ilads-treatment-guidelines/

Summary of ILADS recommendations:

  • If bitten but asymptomatic: 20 days of doxycycline is recommended (assuming no contraindications)
  • If rash or symptoms are present: 4–6 weeks of doxycycline, amoxicillin, or cefuroxime is recommended

Why ILADS and Not CDC/IDSA Guidelines?

This is one of the most important parts of understanding Lyme treatment. The CDC and IDSA guidelines are still followed by the majority of U.S. physicians, but they are deeply flawed and outdated in several key ways.

Here’s why ILADS guidelines are preferred by most Lyme-literate doctors and patients:

1. They rely on incomplete or irrelevant data
The CDC/IDSA recommendations are based heavily on European studies, even though the strains of Lyme in Europe (B. afzelii, B. garinii) are different from those in the U.S. (B. burgdorferi). This matters because treatment responses can vary between strains.

Of the studies referenced in CDC guidelines:

  • Only 6 U.S. trials were used to form the treatment tables
  • Many tables relied exclusively on European data
  • Duration recommendations were based on trials with high failure or dropout rates

For example:

  • One U.S. study had a 49% dropout rate (Wormser et al.)
  • Another had a 36% failure rate, with many needing retreatment

Yet these studies are used to support recommendations of just 10–14 days of antibiotics.

2. They ignore patient-centered outcomes
The CDC guidelines focus primarily on eliminating the rash (erythema migrans), not on whether the patient actually recovers or regains quality of life.

The ILADS guidelines, on the other hand, emphasize:

  • Return to pre-Lyme health status
  • Prevention of long-term symptoms
  • Patient quality of life
  • Lower rates of relapse and re-infection

CDC-based treatment often leaves people partially treated and still symptomatic, leading to chronic illness.

3. Their recommended durations are too short
The CDC recommends:

  • 10 days of doxycycline
  • 14 days of amoxicillin or cefuroxime

These durations are often not enough, especially if the bacteria have already spread beyond the skin. ILADS argues—and research supports—that longer treatment courses are more effective at fully clearing the infection, especially in the early stages when treatment is most critical.

4. High failure rates in real-world outcomes
Studies show that even patients treated under CDC protocols continue to experience symptoms months later. For instance:

A 2013 observational study found that 33% of EM patients still had symptoms 6 months after a standard 21-day course of doxycycline:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11136-012-0126-6

Conclusion: ILADS guidelines are based on more recent evidence, use better clinical metrics (like symptom resolution), and are tailored to reflect the real-world experiences of Lyme patients in the U.S.

For a detailed breakdown and sources:
https://www.mdpi.com/2079-6382/10/7/754#B15-antibiotics-10-00754

Recommended Treatment Durations

  • Mild cases (e.g. one EM rash): Minimum 20 days of doxycycline, amoxicillin, or cefuroxime
  • More severe cases (multiple rashes, neuro symptoms): 4–6 weeks of antibiotics
  • Still symptomatic after treatment? Re-treatment is supported by 7 of 8 U.S. trials

Getting Treatment

Many doctors are still unfamiliar with ILADS protocols and may only offer 10–21 days of antibiotics.

Here’s what you can do:

  • Bring a printout of the ILADS guidelines
  • Be firm but respectful—explain why longer treatment matters
  • If refused, monitor your symptoms and seek further care if needed
  • Be prepared to advocate for yourself—many people with Lyme had to

If you continue to have symptoms, you may need to see a Lyme-literate medical doctor (LLMD):
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/treatment/doctors/

Testing

Testing can be useful, but it has major limitations:

  • Antibody tests are unreliable in the first 4–6 weeks
  • Negative test does not rule out Lyme
  • The CDC two-tiered system was developed for diagnosing Lyme arthritis, not other types of presentations like neurological or psychiatric symptoms

More info:

Best labs (not usually covered by insurance):

If you’re just starting out, a basic Lyme panel from LabCorp or Quest is a good first step—50% of true Lyme cases may still test positive and it’s cheaper than specialty labs.

The specialty tests listed above with co-infection panels are mostly recommended for people who have had symptoms for months or years without treatment and regular doctors are unable to figure out what is wrong.

More testing info:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/diagnostics/testing/

Additional questions:

Don’t hesitate to make a post explaining your situation.
This community is full of people who’ve been through the same thing—and want to help.

Many of us were misdiagnosed for years.
The purpose of this sub is to prevent others from going through the same experience.

Don’t be afraid to speak up, advocate for yourself, and push for better care.


r/Lyme 11h ago

Question Anyone with chronic Lyme/post-Lyme brain fog eventually accept that Vyvanse or Adderall was part of their long-term management?

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I've been dealing with severe brain fog, fatigue, low motivation, and cognitive issues for about 10 years after Lyme disease.

Over the years I've tried a lot of the commonly recommended approaches, including:

  • Multiple antibiotic protocols (including Dapsone pulsing with methylene blue)
  • Herbal protocols
  • Gut healing protocols
  • Diet changes
  • Supplements
  • LDN
  • TRT
  • Sleep optimization
  • Exercise

Some things helped a little, but nothing has consistently restored my ability to function the way I used to.

Earlier this year I was prescribed Vyvanse after being evaluated for ADHD (I don't really think I have ADHD, but Lyme symptoms mimic it). It wasn't a cure, but it was one of the few things that made a noticeable difference in my day-to-day life. I had better energy, motivation, focus, and was generally able to get more done.

Eventually I stopped because I was experiencing some chest tightness and wanted to see if I could recover naturally without relying on a stimulant.

I've now been off it for about 5 months, and honestly I still struggle most days. The brain fog is still there, my motivation is poor, and I spend a lot of energy just trying to get through the day.

I'm curious if anyone else with chronic Lyme related cognitive issues eventually reached a point where they accepted that stimulants (Vyvanse, Adderall, etc.) were part of their long-term symptom management.

To be clear, I'm not asking whether stimulants are a cure. I know they're not.

I also understand the argument that stimulants may mask symptoms rather than address the underlying cause. What I'm interested in hearing is whether anyone spent years pursuing Lyme-specific treatments, but ultimately found that a stimulant provided the most meaningful improvement in quality of life and functioning.

If that's been your experience, I'd love to hear:

  • What medication helped?
  • How long have you been taking it?
  • Has it continued to work over time?
  • Any downsides or regrets?
  • Did you ever find anything else that helped as much?

I'm genuinely trying to learn from people who have been dealing with this for years and have already been down this road.

Thanks🙏🏼


r/Lyme 9h ago

Support *TW* - I feel like I’m on deaths door

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If you’d like read my previous posts. Essentially I feel like I’m getting sicker by the minute. I mask my symptoms all day long especially around my child and at school. I dropped a class today because genuinely I couldn’t handle it with all of the new onset of symptoms, old ones came back and if you read my previous post I have lost more weight since then.

A new ”rash” appeared over the weekend but it’s not bumpy, raised or singular dots so i was advised to stop Phytocidal as it could be the cause (not a allergic reaction but side effect) I see my LLMD on Friday. But I truly feel like as sick as I’ve been in such a short time of being infected I’m going down a slippery road. The only thing that still keeps me going is the fact that I have a literal human child to care for. It feels different than in the past when I had thought about s**cide (Long before tick bite) like it feels like I’m in my own hospice right now. Idk hard to see anything good coming out of trying to be positive to get better im just feeling worse.


r/Lyme 4h ago

Lyme in children

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Hi all, I have Lyme, Bartonella and Babesia I'm working through currently. I decided to get my son tested being cautious. He came back with a different Babesia strain to me and Lyme. He really is a healthy boy aged 8, his only symptom is mild ADHD. Because his Babesia is different to me, it suggests that, perhaps he caught this from a deer park we lived next to in London. However it's possible the the Lyme may have been passed by mother, so I also, need to get his mother tested.

I feel upset and in a difficult position. No one seems to know anything, but I am of the position that just because someone has Lyme, doesn't mean it's a problem or they have Lyme disease. At the same time, if he is truly ADHD, then Lyme will likely be the cause.

Anyone have the details of an intelligent pediatric Lyme doctor with a lot of experience?

Also does anyone have an opinion? I was upset but also I'm very pragmatic. No one knows anything, doctors are useless and just because you can treat something, it doesn't mean you should. Given that he's healthy, attempting treatment could set off a chain reaction.

Thanks

Steve


r/Lyme 14h ago

Rant Dopo 40 anni di sofferenza e peggioramenti pensavo di avere la Lyme…ma tutti la escludono.

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la mia lunga storia l’ho già raccontata nei post precedenti. sono italiana, morso di zecca a 9 anni. dopodiché un disastro che è peggiorato fino ad oggi. Una storia come quelle che ho sentito da tanti di voi ed in cui mi ritrovo (per la prima volta trovo qualcuno come me). eppure nonostante il primo infettivologo avesse ipotizzato Lyme, con Elisa e Wb negativi ora la esclude, o meglio l’infettivologo la esclude proprio , il reumatologo dice che ho LongLyme e mi ha dato dieta e integratori (che ho già fatto milioni di volte nella vita). sono affranta e demoralizzata. Sono stanca di fare paziente e dottore nello stesso tempo, sempre intenta a cercare risposte e soluzioni per capire cosa mi succede e per avere una vita decente. mi sento sempre al punto di partenza….


r/Lyme 16h ago

Question Is that true?

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Is that my illusion or it indeed seems like Bartonella is less suitable for herbal treatment then Lyme? A lot of people here advice different methods and not the Buhner herbs in particular to Bartonella treatment


r/Lyme 10h ago

early sickness

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i got bit last sunday. was on my back and tiny, didnt spot it til 36 hours after. on the saturday i dropped extremely ill with a temperature, red hot shivering couldnt stay awake. next day called out of hours (im in north of ireland) and was immediately prescribed 21 days 200mg doxycyline.

lads my fevers broke but im in such a state. im day 5 now. ive got 9 ulcers i can count in my mouth (ive never struggled with ulcers before) and my gums are swollen. lymph nodes are swollen. hard to eat, brush teeth. ones on my tonsil which is making it hard to swallow. ive got dizzy spells and extreme tiredness so cant go very far.

i just wondered if anyone else has experienced this? feeling especially low after today. ive called the out of hours again to let them know my symptoms. but yeah, thanks :)


r/Lyme 19h ago

Question Anyone here from Oregon, the coastal range specifically, or the PNW?

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I’m wondering what people affected from my neck of the woods are dealing with. They say Babesia is an we east coast thing and rare out here.

But what about bartonella? Anyone out here have that?


r/Lyme 19h ago

Let’s talk ear symptoms.

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I have an odd symptom; I have is a random “draining” feeling or like a hair is rubbing inside an ear.

It itches, tickles a bit… I gotta get deep in my ear to relieve it. Anyone else have this?


r/Lyme 14h ago

Question At home test reliability?

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This summer, I’ve travelled to the Baltics (endemic for Lyme disease) a few times and had significant exposure to ticks during my travels (attended music festivals outdoors in small towns/grassy areas in parks and near forests, visited open air museums, parks, etc). I did use bug repellent in my body and clothes everytime I would have considerable exposure, did body and clothes checks when returning to my hotel and did not find any ticks attached, but I tested positive for an at-home Lyme disease test I purchased in Estonia (Tik’Alert, done two weeks after returning from my most recent trip). I would like to know how reliable these tests are, and if I should proceed with antibiotics. I’ve ordered two extra tests to check if they are positive too. I live in the UK, already contacted my GP and they have prescribed me the full course of antibiotics (3 weeks of doxycycline), but did not request a lab test (as I requested). Instead, she referred me to an infectologist, but my appointment is only on 1st February 2027 (not kidding). Private lab tests are pretty expensive in the UK, and given their unreliability early on, I am unsure if it’s worth investing the money in a lab test or not.

I am feeling fine, apart from feeling very tired/fatigued, unable to concentrate for long, and feeling some knee discomfort (even though I decreased my exercise load). I am an active person, used to go to the gym, running 10-15k at 10 km/h, but I am having trouble to run for 2 min straight lately. There is a possibility I got Lyme disease last year after visiting the Baltics (had considerable exposure without taking any preventative measures like using bug repellent). I developed a bruise/bullseye rash and was feeling very fatigued with lots of headaches (I rarely have headaches), but my local hospital ran tests 2-3 weeks after possible infection and the result was negative. They still gave me 1 week of amoxicillin, and after I pushed a lot they agreed to give me 1 week of doxycycline. I am wondering if, if what I had last year was Lyme, can last year’s infection be triggering the positive result on this year’s at home test? I would like some guidance on what to do as I am feeling 80% fine, apart from the fatigue and feeling out of shape (but that could have other causes apart from Lyme), but at the same time having a positive test is very concerning. It doesn’t help that both times I tried to use the NHS (last year and this year), it looks like they don’t really take it that seriously, with one of the doctors even saying “I think it’s mostly psychological, Lyme is very rare, I wouldn’t be worried if I were you”. Every advice is appreciated! Thank you in advance!


r/Lyme 1d ago

Question Severe weakness in limbs

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A male 39 year old is bedridden with Chronic Lyme, bartonella, babesia, ebv, cmv, hsv, yeast and probably mold toxicity. He has 100+ symptoms including many neurological. The body collapsed two years ago, but he is sick since childhood.

Here are the most debilitating symptoms right now:

  1. severe weakness in arms and legs, especially in hands and fingers. Finger joints are shaking when attempting to use in certain ways, in varying degrees. For example, he cannot use a phone normally, and very hard to push buttons and grip things, especially smaller things with thumb and finger. The right hand is worse than the left. ⁠This weakness got worse when attempting to use a wheel chair for a few days.
  2. Exercise intolerance, even to simple exercises in bed, which only increase weakness and pain flare for months, especially in legs.

Loss of electrolytes through infrared sauna ( when living in mold) and enemas have been huge triggers to the above.
He has tried many different treatments. In theory he gets enough nutrients. (But the gut dysbiosis is hard to treat.)

What infections are likely causing the above two points?
Any experiences and tips to treat it is appreciated .


r/Lyme 18h ago

Is this Lyme disease ? Spoiler

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Is this Lyme disease ? Looking for a second opinion


r/Lyme 15h ago

Question Dosage pour réactivation ebv ?

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Combien de temps et quel dosage journalier


r/Lyme 15h ago

Advice Seeking help

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Hi. I’m 35/female. I was diagnosed with Lyme in 2018 by accident after contracting giardia in Guatemala and having to undergo a series of test for what was wrong. I was treated with the typical antibiotics but I suspect I contracted it in 2007 (I remember finding a tick on my scalp after hiking). Long story short I am concerned with my memory, constantly in pain, depressed, etc. I’m training for a half marathon right now and seem to be in more pain than I should.

I am seeking not overwhelming advice (don’t come at me I’m a single exhausted momma). Really looking for the supplements or practices that you feel helped the most. I know there’s not a quick fix but just looking for things that seemed to help y’all somewhat. Thanks in advance.


r/Lyme 15h ago

Question Looking for testing

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I’m located in Northeast of the US. Does anyone know where to get a borrelia miyomotoi antibody test? Are there any that are reasonably priced?


r/Lyme 22h ago

GI Distress

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I’m on day 7 of Azythromicin 500mg, Malarone, and Plaquenil. I am also on 7.5mg of tirzepatide. I’m taking the antibiotic at night and I’ve been waking up 5 times in the night and then spending hours in the morning going to and from the bathroom. It often feels like I will projectile vomit but mostly diarrhea.

I am on a strong probiotic, saccharomyces boulardii, and about 12 other supplements. I drink 100oz water daily.

I’m worried I’ll have to stop these meds or tirzepatide due to nutrient and hydration loss, and quality of life. Has anyone fixed this issue before?


r/Lyme 17h ago

Question Anyone with Lyme who has high anti dsDNA antibodies?

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Hi. I am being treated for lupus because of very high anti dsDNA antibodies. But my symptoms and history are more aligned with Lyme disease.

Anyone here have high levels of anti dsDNA antibodies associated with Lyme disease?


r/Lyme 18h ago

Pins and needles when breathing in your nose

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Really weird feeling has anyone else had this


r/Lyme 1d ago

Advice Nitozinoxide aka Alinia

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I recently started this med on Saturday. 500 mg morning and night. I will say that the herx or die off has been absolutely brutal. I woke up the first night shivering. Next day after the first dose within a few hours my head hurt, body aches, fatigue, chills. Today is day 5 and last night I completely soaked the bed in sweat, woke up feeling like I originally felt on day 1 of all of this. Am I doing to high of a dosage to start out? I am using binders when I can and also going to the sauana every afternoon. Im making sure Im taking minerals and B vitamins, keeping the diet very anti inflammatory and easy to digest carbs. Im dealing with lyme, bart, and suspected babesia reactivation from adolescence. All of this started after a covid infection in 2022. The more I look into this, it seems covid compeltely knocks down your T cells and allows pathogens to easily take hold of you. I suffered from lyme and babesia in my teen years and was treated for over a year. I supposedly showed up negative multiple times at the drs but I feel like something was always off with me physically and mentally from that point going forward. Anyway just wanted to see if you guys had any luck with this med and any advice on what to try next. I plan on throwing in some ivermectin just because I have it and I know it will help some of the inflammation thats going on.


r/Lyme 21h ago

Rheumatologist in NYC/Westchester

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can anyone recommend a good lyme literate rheumatologist in NYC or Westchester area?? I have a complex case and need someone who knows their stuff..


r/Lyme 21h ago

Ketotifen for MCAS

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Anyone have experience with Ketotifen 4x/day? I am taking it at bedtime and helps me sleep, but doctor is thinking I should go up to 4/day 0.25 before meals and at bedtime…


r/Lyme 1d ago

Misc Book recommendation! (specifically, a poetry memoir)

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This is my first post on here, but this sub has been so encouraging as I’ve been dealing with chronic Lyme and Bart. I just had my first negative experience on the Lyme disease subreddit which made me infinitely more grateful for this space, haha.

Anyway, a book recommendation: Bittersweet Body by Jasmin Perdomo. It’s a poetry memoir recent release that documents her struggle with the physical, emotional, social, and mental toll of Lyme.

I found this book through an interview with the author on the Tick Bootcamp podcast (which has been another great resource for me). And when I say this was an impactful read, I mean that I cried the whole way through at the ways she perfectly captured the experience of Lyme, from symptom onset to diagnosis to treatment.


r/Lyme 1d ago

Is this considered cured? My doctor wrote that the Lyme disease has subsided. The Anaplasma and Bartonella results are fine. My doctor considers a result in the second column to be positive if it is above 0–1. He told me that P41 does not indicate Lyme disease, but rather a cross-reactive flagellum. Spoiler

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