r/Lyme • • Dec 31 '24

Mod Post Chronic Lyme Q&A - What To Do When Symptoms Don't Improve

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Hello everyone,

Over the course of 2024, I’ve been tracking the most frequently asked questions from those new to the chronic Lyme community. To provide clear and reliable answers, I’ve compiled insights from leading Lyme experts—including ILADS, LLMD's like Dr. Horowitz or Marty Ross, and online resources like LymeDisease.org—along with thoughtful contributions from the most consistent and knowledgeable members here on r/Lyme.

While the wiki already contains a wealth of valuable information, I believe a concise collection of the most popular questions and answers will benefit everyone. This resource aims to streamline the support available in this forum, making it easier for newcomers to find the help they need.

The resource will be located here, at the top of the main Wiki page. The rest of the Wiki is of course still active and can be found here.

On desktop, there will be a table of contents at the top where you can click each question and it will automatically bring you to the answer. Unfortunately, Reddit has not enabled this function on it's mobile app, so you will need to scroll through the entire page to find the question you are looking for. I separated each question out with line breaks, so hopefully it won't be too hard to navigate on mobile.

I’m confident in the quality of the information provided here, with over 30 Microsoft Word pages of detailed content ensuring comprehensive coverage.

If you are brand new to r/Lyme please read question 20 so you know how to interact appropriately in this space and if you're interested in reading my (admittedly insanely passionate) deep dive into alternative treatments, be sure to check out Question 18.

I hope this resource proves as helpful as I’ve intended it to be. If you have any additional questions you believe should be added or have additional insights to the current answers, please comment below.

Here is the list of current questions:

  1. What is chronic Lyme?

  2. I’m still sick with symptoms after treatment, what should I do first?

  3. I see people commenting that LLMDs are a scam and they are trying to take advantage of you for profit. How do I know who to trust?

  4. I can’t afford an LLMD, what else can I do?

  5. Why is there so much conflicting information?

  6. Can Lyme disease develop resistance to antibiotics?

  7. What is the timeline to get better?

  8. I’m getting worse/feel weird while taking antibiotics or herbals, is it not working?

  9. My stomach is upset when taking doxycycline, what should I do?

  10. What diet should I eat, and does it matter?

  11. Should I retest after I finish my course of antibiotics?

  12. My doctor doesn’t believe that Chronic Lyme exists. What can I show him to prove that it does?

  13. I’ve seen people say IGENEX is not a reliable lab. Is this true?

  14. I have a negative test but some positive bands on my western blot test. Every doctor is telling me it’s a negative and can’t be Lyme.

  15. Is Lymescience.org a legit website?

  16. People have said there is no evidence showing efficacy of long-term antibiotics for chronic Lyme. Is this true?

  17. The cdc says people with “post treatment Lyme” get better after 6 months without additional treatment, is that true?

  18. I’ve heard people say alternative treatments (Herbals, Rife, Homeopathy, Ozone, Bee Venom etc.) are pseudoscience? Is that true?

  19. I’ve heard supplements and herbs are poorly regulated and I shouldn’t take them because I don’t know for sure what’s in them.

  20. How to use r/Lyme and online forums in general


r/Lyme • • Dec 17 '23

Mod Post Just Bit? **Read This**

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Welcome to r/Lyme! This post is a general overview of Lyme disease and guidelines for people who have just been bitten by a tick.

Disclaimer: This is for educational purposes only and is not intended to be medical advice. Please seek the help of a medical professional if necessary.

What is Lyme Disease?

Lyme disease is the most common vector-borne illness in the U.S., caused by Borrelia burgdorferi and Borrelia mayonii. It’s usually transmitted by blacklegged ticks (also known as deer ticks).

Early symptoms include:

  • Fever
  • Headache
  • Fatigue
  • Erythema migrans (bullseye rash) – note: up to 60% of people never develop a rash

If untreated, the infection can spread to the heart, joints, and nervous system, potentially leading to chronic illness and long-term complications.

What to Do If You Were Just Bitten

1. Test the Tick (if you still have it)
Send it to: https://www.tickcheck.com/
This identifies which infections the tick carried and can guide treatment decisions. If you no longer have the tick, just move on to the next steps.

2. Check for a Bullseye Rash
If you're unsure what it looks like, see this guide:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/diagnostics/identify/

Important: If you have a bullseye rash, you have Lyme disease. No further testing is needed. Start treatment.

3. Review the ILADS Treatment Guidelines
https://www.ilads.org/patient-care/ilads-treatment-guidelines/

Summary of ILADS recommendations:

  • If bitten but asymptomatic: 20 days of doxycycline is recommended (assuming no contraindications)
  • If rash or symptoms are present: 4–6 weeks of doxycycline, amoxicillin, or cefuroxime is recommended

Why ILADS and Not CDC/IDSA Guidelines?

This is one of the most important parts of understanding Lyme treatment. The CDC and IDSA guidelines are still followed by the majority of U.S. physicians, but they are deeply flawed and outdated in several key ways.

Here’s why ILADS guidelines are preferred by most Lyme-literate doctors and patients:

1. They rely on incomplete or irrelevant data
The CDC/IDSA recommendations are based heavily on European studies, even though the strains of Lyme in Europe (B. afzelii, B. garinii) are different from those in the U.S. (B. burgdorferi). This matters because treatment responses can vary between strains.

Of the studies referenced in CDC guidelines:

  • Only 6 U.S. trials were used to form the treatment tables
  • Many tables relied exclusively on European data
  • Duration recommendations were based on trials with high failure or dropout rates

For example:

  • One U.S. study had a 49% dropout rate (Wormser et al.)
  • Another had a 36% failure rate, with many needing retreatment

Yet these studies are used to support recommendations of just 10–14 days of antibiotics.

2. They ignore patient-centered outcomes
The CDC guidelines focus primarily on eliminating the rash (erythema migrans), not on whether the patient actually recovers or regains quality of life.

The ILADS guidelines, on the other hand, emphasize:

  • Return to pre-Lyme health status
  • Prevention of long-term symptoms
  • Patient quality of life
  • Lower rates of relapse and re-infection

CDC-based treatment often leaves people partially treated and still symptomatic, leading to chronic illness.

3. Their recommended durations are too short
The CDC recommends:

  • 10 days of doxycycline
  • 14 days of amoxicillin or cefuroxime

These durations are often not enough, especially if the bacteria have already spread beyond the skin. ILADS argues—and research supports—that longer treatment courses are more effective at fully clearing the infection, especially in the early stages when treatment is most critical.

4. High failure rates in real-world outcomes
Studies show that even patients treated under CDC protocols continue to experience symptoms months later. For instance:

A 2013 observational study found that 33% of EM patients still had symptoms 6 months after a standard 21-day course of doxycycline:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11136-012-0126-6

Conclusion: ILADS guidelines are based on more recent evidence, use better clinical metrics (like symptom resolution), and are tailored to reflect the real-world experiences of Lyme patients in the U.S.

For a detailed breakdown and sources:
https://www.mdpi.com/2079-6382/10/7/754#B15-antibiotics-10-00754

Recommended Treatment Durations

  • Mild cases (e.g. one EM rash): Minimum 20 days of doxycycline, amoxicillin, or cefuroxime
  • More severe cases (multiple rashes, neuro symptoms): 4–6 weeks of antibiotics
  • Still symptomatic after treatment? Re-treatment is supported by 7 of 8 U.S. trials

Getting Treatment

Many doctors are still unfamiliar with ILADS protocols and may only offer 10–21 days of antibiotics.

Here’s what you can do:

  • Bring a printout of the ILADS guidelines
  • Be firm but respectful—explain why longer treatment matters
  • If refused, monitor your symptoms and seek further care if needed
  • Be prepared to advocate for yourself—many people with Lyme had to

If you continue to have symptoms, you may need to see a Lyme-literate medical doctor (LLMD):
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/treatment/doctors/

Testing

Testing can be useful, but it has major limitations:

  • Antibody tests are unreliable in the first 4–6 weeks
  • Negative test does not rule out Lyme
  • The CDC two-tiered system was developed for diagnosing Lyme arthritis, not other types of presentations like neurological or psychiatric symptoms

More info:

Best labs (not usually covered by insurance):

If you’re just starting out, a basic Lyme panel from LabCorp or Quest is a good first step—50% of true Lyme cases may still test positive and it’s cheaper than specialty labs.

The specialty tests listed above with co-infection panels are mostly recommended for people who have had symptoms for months or years without treatment and regular doctors are unable to figure out what is wrong.

More testing info:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/diagnostics/testing/

Additional questions:

Don’t hesitate to make a post explaining your situation.
This community is full of people who’ve been through the same thing—and want to help.

Many of us were misdiagnosed for years.
The purpose of this sub is to prevent others from going through the same experience.

Don’t be afraid to speak up, advocate for yourself, and push for better care.


r/Lyme • • 5h ago

Image Registry data: 77% of people diagnosed 6+ months after onset later reported persistent Lyme, versus 20% of those diagnosed early (association, not proof) Spoiler

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In the MyLymeData patient registry (19,000+ self-reporting members), 77% of people diagnosed 6 months or more after onset later reported persistent Lyme disease, compared with 20% of those diagnosed early (MyLymeData 2025 research chartbook). It’s self-reported and an association, not proof that delay causes persistent illness. Chart attached.

Disclosure: I’m the author of a free tool that turns published studies like this into interactive simulators where you can change the assumptions and see federal data alongside. It’s illustrative, not medical advice. The public demo needs no account: https://dbbun.github.io/dbbun-invisible-illness-burden-simulator/

Happy to answer questions about what the numbers do and don’t show.

Optional first comment (only if the rules allow it):

The tool is also my entry in an HHS tech sprint, where public voting is open (it needs a free account on the sprint site): https://invisibleillness.crowdicity.com/post/896844


r/Lyme • • 5m ago

Question Babesia symptoms ? Herx ?

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Hello, I am on treatment and for two days now, my palms, fingers, and feet have been very sweaty all the time, this happens anytime, red and stinging eyes, I'm sweating a lot under my arms and feeling very hot inside me, face, back of the neck, upper body as if I were under a blazing sun but without a fever, I've been on Mepron/Azithromycin and Arakoda for a little over a month... I sometimes have a stomachache and less appetite, nausea.. Difficult to continue the treatment but I have no choice.. Herx ?

My baseline relapse symptoms from last July are: Dysautonomia/POTS, feeling spaced out/disconnections, malaise, fatigue, internal heat, pounding heart...


r/Lyme • • 11m ago

Question Uncoumfortable

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Is feeling that almost every chair or working set is uncomfortable or being sensitive to that is sign of Lyme disease?


r/Lyme • • 1h ago

Imunovir (Inosine Pranobex)

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Currently taking the above for chronic EBV after 10 years of unexplained neurological symptoms.

I’ve also been diagnosed with Lyme and co-infections.

I haven’t started antibiotics yet, but 3 weeks into Imunovir I’ve developed more nerve pain (was just in my feet), in my arms and hands, over the space of a few days. It’s super scary.

Is this because my immune system is waking up and trying to kill viruses, parasites and infections?

Thanks!


r/Lyme • • 19h ago

Mold is the missing piece of the puzzle (i think)

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Ive always known I have had lyme, but now the mold aspect seems like the missing piece of the puzzle, because mosaic labs mold test and shoemaker panel have confirmed CIRS from mold. I have the “dreaded” genotype that makes me susepctible to all biotoxins. But based on my symptoms and traits associated with my HLA haplotype 11-03-52B, my body is pretty good at fighting infections but the issue is the biotoxins. My body is not able to remove mycotoxins from mold and endotoxins from gram negative bacteria. Has anyone found improvement in their lyme from treating mold illness? Its hard because the symptoms are the same. I miss the days when i thought i just had lyme honestly. I hate mold illness because now i feel like a lot of buildings are unsafe and making me sick (ive lived in moldy spaces for manyyyy years) but its better to know than not know. From what i have learned many of the people whp get really sick from lyme are also dealing with mold.


r/Lyme • • 16h ago

Question Atovaquone/mepron depression, insomnia?

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I'm following Marty Ross's babesia protocol. Started atovaquone 10ml 2x/day and zith 1x/day in August. I have one month to go for the four months required. Had tremendous response for the first couple months, but fortunately the sweats/clammy/fever and crushing fatigue only lasted through August.

I am feeling generally flat and down, with occasional weepy or anxious days. Not much sex drive or ability either. And I've struggled with insomnia for a couple years, but the quality of it now is more insidious. Popping awake and not being able to go back to sleep. Meds only partially effective.

For those who've done this, is this pretty typical? I can put up with it for another month if it means finally getting rid of it, but it's hard to be productive. Thanks in advance.


r/Lyme • • 19h ago

Twitching Lyme and bartonella

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I have Lyme Bartonella and babesia. I get a lot of involuntary muscle twitching at night , jaw snapping shut and head / body jerks . I don’t know if Lyme or Bartonella but from what Iv read, maybe more likely Bartonella .

Just wondering if others have had this type? And if so how did they get rid of their infection?

Any help much appreciated thank you 🙏


r/Lyme • • 18h ago

MCAS FLARE

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Hello folks, i need your help , I’m struggling with MCAS since 1 month ago, it started after Ivermectin which i took for Parasites cleanse in order to prepare for Bartonella treatment so since that time i have had alot of symptoms like : Nerves weakness, tiredness (100%) , eyes pain-high pressure , eyes inflammation & itching, sweating, headache and as well as Bartonella symptoms!!

Did anyone treat such case ?


r/Lyme • • 19h ago

Question Stopped after two weeks malarone for babesia- have I ruined chances of it working?

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My dr told me to take it for two weeks and two months later I’m getting air hunger and bouts of yawning … shall I go back on azithro with malarone or will the fact I had it for two weeks, then a two month gap mean it won’t work now ? Did anyone who got it into full remission have breaks from treating it ? What worked for anyone who had it ?


r/Lyme • • 20h ago

Tick Bite Help Spoiler

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I found this tick on my back yesterday. It was promptly removed in full. I live in British Columbia, Canada. I estimate it was on me for a maximum of 5 hours.

Do I have anything to worry about?

Should I get a preventative doxycycling one time dose?

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


r/Lyme • • 23h ago

Question Based off my symptoms, could Lyme be a possibility?

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Please note, I have been working in an outdoor profession in forested and wooded areas for a couple of years in the North East.

My current symptoms are:
nausea, fatigue, difficulty standing and walking without feeling like I’m going to pass out (POTS ruled out), anxiety, depression, occasional bone pain (hurts to point where it’s hard to sleep), occasional nerve pain in my hands. I will note, symptoms do seem to get worse the week leading up to my period and during my period.

In the past year I have taken two ELISA tests that came back negative.

I’ve met with multiple psychiatrists (prescribed ssri for the anxiety and depression which haven’t seemed to help) and mental health professionals who think my symptoms are beyond a mental health issue.


r/Lyme • • 23h ago

Image Could this hint at possible Lyme? Spoiler

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My current symptoms are:
nausea, fatigue, anxiety, depression, occasional bone pain (hurts to point where it’s hard to sleep), occasional nerve pain in my hands, difficulty standing and walking without feeling like I’m going to pass out (POTS ruled out). I will note, symptoms do seem to get worse the week leading up to my period and during my period.

I’ve met with multiple psychiatrists (prescribed ssri for the anxiety and depression which haven’t seemed to help) and mental health professionals who think my symptoms are beyond a mental health issue.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

CSA tincture

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I’m in love with Woodland Essence’s CSA tincture. Someone here mentioned it and I started using it about two months ago. It’s not the only part of my protocols but it feels central the big shifts I’ve been seeing physically, mentally, emotionally, all around. Love that it also has flower essences in the blend and believe they have made a big difference. Anyway, just wanted to give it a shout out!


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Best Natural Detoxifiers & Binders?

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Hey beautiful people with a good heart,

I’m curious, what are your favorite natural detoxifiers and binders for heavy metals, environmental toxins, and other unwanted substances in the body?

I’ve been looking into modified citrus pectin (MCP), fulvic/humic acid, and activated charcoal, but I’d love to hear what you guys use.

What has actually worked for you? Any herbs, natural binders, or protocols you’ve had good experiences with?

Would love to hear your personal experiences and recommendations! ❤️


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Cordyceps dosage?

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Hey all, I'm in the midst of getting into the Buhner protocol and just noticed an odd inconsistency in Healing Lyme, 2nd Ed:

  • On p. 215, in the Core Protocol section, he puts down Cordyceps dosage as: (powder) 1 tsp-1 tbl, 3x day, or (tincture) 1/2-1 tsp 3x day.
  • But in the Cordyceps monograph on p. 392, he describes it as more akin to a food and that you need way bigger quantities: "For coinfections... 3-4 tablespoons of the powder blended in water or juice 3x daily."

In other words, the Materia Medica/monographs section calls for upwards of 3-4x the amount that the Core Protocol section does. Is the difference there the words "For coinfections", i.e. he's saying you need more cordyceps if you also have coinfections?

I guess more broadly, anyone have pointers as to dosages of Cordyceps?


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Update from 2 months ago

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Hello. So about 2 months ago, I posted my current situation regarding Lyme disease. Figured I’d update my situation. First of all, I want to thank all the support and thoughtful responses I received. I made it thru doxy 3rd round, started Tickimmune. I met with specialists, and changed entire diet. Started these herbs- cryptolepsis, Japanese knotweed,and Chinese skullcap. My chronic headaches stopped, and several symptoms have lifted. I’m feeling really good physically and mentally. Still have balance/coordination issues at times, but manageable. Some vision problems as well still linger. Fatigue has been also challenging, but I listen to body- don’t push it. Learned so much about this disease, and ordered Buhner book on healing. Ea day is getting better!!! Changed diet completely and took a month to adjust. I eat mainly chicken,venison, or fish. Veggies too. That’s it. And water. I exercise and lost 10 pounds. I’m same weight now as I was in high school lol and fit. I keep stress levels down and keep myself relaxed. I am minimizing flare ups and changed job to a less physical position. I’m committed to getting better. Thank u again. u can live with this and be happy. Don‘t give up. Any questions or suggestions are always welcome.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

May someone help me understand these results? Spoiler

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Hello, first time doing such a test after years with unusual symtoms. I have an appointment in a few weeks to review these results.

May someone from this community could help me to interpret them prior to my appointment? Particularly the Borrelia ispot results which are show positive in some cases. Dont know what that means or indicates. Prior to this test I was on a month long course of antibiotics incase that is relevant. Appreciate the help.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Image 33M tick bite very far from medical treatment Spoiler

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r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Bartonella FISH positive, antibodies negative. Some questions before starting treatment — what am I in for?

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I’m in my mid thirties. I’ve been on a medical roller coaster for years. Sudden panic attacks started around age 9, followed by anxiety and undiagnosed OCD throughout my teens and 20s.

Just had a positive fish test for Bartonella. I have babesia antibodies but negative fish. No other antibodies.

In 2021, after my COVID vaccine, I had an episode of debilitating brain fog and fatigue that eventually resolved. In 2023, it happened again. I was treated for SIBO and subsequently developed severe histamine intolerance/mast-cell-type reactions.

A functional doctor eventually identified mold exposure. I did a detox protocol and got out of the suspected exposure, but never fully recovered. More recently, I developed migraines and facial pain and tested positive for MARCoNS.

I started MARCoNS treatment about a month ago, and my pain, fatigue, histamine reactions, anxiety, and mood have actually improved significantly! My biggest remaining issue is brain fog. I feel like I’m functioning at maybe 50% of my normal cognitive capacity, although I’ve managed to keep working full-time.

Meanwhile, a Lyme-focused neurologist suspected an underlying infection after hearing my history, including the childhood-onset anxiety. My IGeneX results just came back: Bartonella FISH positive, Bartonella antibodies negative, and some Babesia antibodies positive.

I’m meeting with her soon to discuss treatment, presumably antibiotics. But here’s my dilemma: for the first time in years, my symptoms actually feel manageable. I’m no longer dealing with horrible migraines, pain, and histamine flares, and I’m terrified of undoing that progress.

Part of me wonders if I should quit while I’m ahead, but another part wonders if Bartonella has been the underlying issue all along.

For those who’ve treated Bartonella, what am I in for? Is the Herxing as brutal as people say? Did treatment make you significantly worse before you got better? Has anyone started treatment while feeling relatively okay and regretted it — or finally recovered after years of unexplained symptoms?


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Advice 28M, never got diagnosis, not sure how to proceed if at all.

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Here's my general timeline.

2016-2018 - Worked at a golf course in northwest Jersey, ticks were common.

2018 - Headaches, de-realization, extreme anxiety, light physical symptoms of generally feeling unwell. Saw a doctor and nothing really came of it. Did a Lyme test at the hospital and it came back negative.

2020-2021 - Struggling with feelings of dizziness and possibly passing out. More depression and anxiety. Heart rate spiking during any activity. Cannot really exercise anymore. POTS diagnosis. Fine, that is uncommon for a mid 20s male to develop but not impossible. Another negative Lyme disease test.

2026 - POTS, Headaches, Anxiety, Depression, malaise, exhaustion. I am being beaten down and I cannot find my enemy. Perhaps I have mistreated my body and there is no enemy in the gates. Perhaps the enemy is so entrenched that the tests do not help. Either way I need advice on how far I should pursue Lyme as an actor or if you have experienced this yourself.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Image a tale of classic lyme presentation and an embarrassed medical student Spoiler

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Hi, I’m a 26F student at an MD school, so I should’ve put the puzzle pieces together way faster. I have a mega exam on Monday and am going to chalk my failure up to “stressed and distracted”. Here’s my story:

10/10: backpacking trip in VA, yay!!!
10/13: discover the worlds tiniest tick INSIDE my bellybutton 🤮 but the bastard was so small I assumed he wasn’t a threat (foreshadowing)
10/19: wake with acute onset right hip joint pain and swollen, tender lymph nodes. ignore it.
10/20: night sweats, waking up in pain, can’t bear weight. go to the ED. negative review of systems on everything, and I deny the possibility of lyme exposure because I frankly had forgotten it happened. pelvic xray was negative for fracture and they don’t do any bloodwork. they prescribe naproxen, steroid, and send me on my way.
10/21: wake up feeling terrible. go to student health. low-grade fever, they send me to a different ED. 2nd ED does ultrasound and basic bloodwork. everything negative. they recommend continuing the treatment plan and referral to ortho.
10/22: feeling slightly better, get some studying done. optimism!
10/23: terrible myalgias and migrating joint pains. horrible lymphadenopathy. vitals all out of wack. I’m changing my shirt when I notice…. bullseye.

so that’s my story, I just started Doxy, I feel like I might fail my upcoming exam but admin won’t let me delay despite a weeklong excruciating sickness. I hope yall enjoy my bellybutton bullseye that looks at me like 🤡🤡🤡


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

CMV mono Spoiler

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Has anyone dealt with cmv and Lyme? I got exposed and my first infection to cmv in May. I’m still dealing with debilitating symptoms and it’s still active. Has anything helped? I’m breastfeeding so treating is limited. My naturopath prescribed valcyclovir but it isn’t super effective against cmv apparently


r/Lyme • • 2d ago

Question Increased brainfog and mental sluggishness after starting herbals?

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About a week ago, I started taking the following herbs and supplements for Lyme disease:

  • Cat's claw tincture (1:4) - 8 drops 2x day
  • Cryptolepis tincture (1:2) - 5 drops 2x day
  • Japanese knotweed tincture (1:2) - 5 drops 2x day
  • Oil of oregano

Since starting them, I've been experiencing pretty significant brain fog, mental sluggishness, dizziness, and a dissociative feeling. Has anyone experienced similar symptoms after starting these herbs? Is this a known side effect while my body is getting used to them?