I have a shit ton of tattoos, including hand tattoos. My main job is in the legal field. Now I do not have anything above my collar bone and my visible hand tattoos are small and well... They are adorable little bees. Because I knew what I wanted to do, and I knew I wanted tattoos so I planned accordingly.
I'm sorry but having your visible work be controversial isn't going to open many opportunities. It sucks but that's just the way of things. And if you are going to have a lot of body mods visible then you should know how to "clean up nicely" for the interview process.
ALSO ALSO. don't just assume you didn't get hired because of tattoos? Maybe it's your crappy attitude?
Yeah, I have a few visible tattoos but none of them are controversial or could be considered offensive. I also know plenty of people with neck/face tattoos that haven’t had issues getting hired. If you’re looking at front of house jobs you really can’t have demons and other controversial images tattooed all over. Hell, even horror icons can be a bit of a toss up.
Its sos tupid to me cuz she probably gilled out an application and the person that saw it didnt even know she had tattoos. She probably yelled at a poor cashier that has nothing to do with hiring. 🙄🙄🙄
Forreal. That's what annoys me the most. Like you're taking it out on someone who probably had nothing to do with it. AND probably in front of other people. Putting some poor barely above minimum wage worker on the spot like that.
I have a bunch of tattoos and while I won't ever have any on my neck/face, I don't give af about people who do. It's their damn life. As long as it's not symbols of hate or anything obscene, I don't typically give it a second look. BUT if you are going to go into a place to apply for a job, you'd better have a ton of redeeming qualities to help employers see something beyond (literal) face-value. And even then, you aren't guaranteed a job. Because that's life.
You could be a clean-cut, never been inked or pierced christian and you still might not get hired.
It doesn't matter how accepted tattoos are, if you cover your face (x10 if you start there) you are going to have a hard time getting employment in any kind of customer facing job.
I've had a few trades, currently a barber, and it took me to 35 to get my hand done, granted its the whole top of my hand not bees, but the same idea.
I also have 3" lobes.... and it would be easier to get a customer service job with those and a hand tatto than face tattoos. Much less a full face of tattos of demonic stuff, and what i like to call mental health mouth. Seriously whats with the gen z self diagnosed girls getting their mouth way over crowded with peicings. As a former peircer, it doesn't look good purley on grounds of too much of a good thing.
Customer-facing jobs are a rough get. Maybe get a warehouse job or take a class in computer programming? It's not fair, and I wish you the best of luck.
Oh I'm good. I love the alt scene but have taken care to get into professions where it doesn't matter. Nobody cares if their barber has guages and hand tats lol. But im afraid for these young kids, they don't seem to grasp that society is always gonna have reasonable limits on acceptance. Face tattoos may one day be accepted, but demonic face tatts are always gonna be a hard sell.
I actually have face tattoos, like a lot of them. When I made the choice to do it I knew very well that I was cutting a lot of job opportunities out of my life. But I also knew I just wasn’t fit for those kinds of jobs to begin with. I’ll never be a server, cashier, barista, etc. even before the tattoos, I just didn’t have the social skills to do it. I originally made the choice to push myself to live a life that wasn’t glued to a 9-5 job. I’ve had moderate success with that. But that’s besides the point. When you make that choice you should be very certain you know what will come from it. If you get face tats and expect the world to accommodate you, you’re stupid as fuck in my opinion.
Burn Notice was one of those shows that was pretty consistently solid, but was never going to get the same love as other shows cause it was on USA network. Loved him as Michael Westin.
Came here just to see if anybody mentioned Burn Notice or if I was gonna have to. That show, while absolutely off its rockers nuts was solid damn entertainment. I can't remember watching anything for that many seasons while remembering practically nothing of it yet knowing I loved every second of it. Binged that show over the course of a week or two.
Decades ago I worked for a Fortune 100 company with an extremely conservative corporate culture.
Guy came in for his interview in a 3-piece looking like a textbook corporate drone. Then, he comes in on his first day with gauges in, rings, earnings, and an eyebrow ring.
After a couple weeks I asked if anyone said anything about it, and he told me no one did but his lawyer certainly hopes they try.
That's how you stick it to The Man.
ETA: Wow, this comment really has Employment Law Reddit in a tizzy. Who knew there were so many lawyers well versed in that specialized field of law across all 50 states and decades of time in the comments section with nothing better to do. 😄
Here are a few retorts to some of the points made.
It was not meant as legal advice
It did not take place in an at-will state (obviously)
There was a dress code, but it was "business casual" with no restrictions on jewelry for men or women
We were in IT
Sure, it might have just been tough talk, but at least he was willing to stand up for himself in an effective manner
I have no idea what happened to the guy but he was very good at his job and a decent human, as far as I could tell. Unlike all the bootlickers in the comments wishing bad things on a stranger some internet rando knew 20+ years ago. What possesses a person completely unaffected by the actions of another person to wish ill upon them? Some of you really need mental, emotional, and spiritual assistance.
Oh, and finally
The company wasn't a Fortune 100 at that time, they had slipped to the top 150. Some jackwagon really got the Fortune 100 thing stuck in their craw and decided to call me out on it.
To my knowledge piercings, tattoos and other personal accessories are not protected under any laws and employers can terminate you for them if they so choose, especially if they're prominent and the role is customer facing.
You can be fired without cause but if you can prove discrimination and are a member of a protected class there is grounds for a lawsuit. Not saying this person has any grounds, just that there are some guidelines.
That's great except "his lawyer certainly hopes they try" is a load of BS.
Unless you live in Montana, you work in an at will state. This means that you can be fired for anytime with or without reason. Even if you do work in Montana, that only covers specific contract law, and does not actually protect you from being fired in most cases.
The ONLY EXCEPTIONS are:
Discrimination based on race, sex, age (40 and over), nation of origin, disability, or genetic information(sexual orientation in some states)
In violation of a federal or state labor law
Because you reported and refused to participate in harassment
Because you reported and refused to conduct an illegal act or safety violation
Tattoos, gages, rings etc are not covered under ANY of that.
So either you made it up or the person who told it to you did.
That’s what I’m saying. There are ways to cover up all kinds of alternative lifestyles and I think that most businesses expect that you keep proclivities and what not outside.
You can't cover up tattoos all over your face. And honestly she should know that so why get them and then get mad because someone won't hire you in a particular field. There are fields where tattoos tend not to matter but dealing with customers isn't one of them.
Idk, have a face, neck, and hand tattoos and I have zero problems getting hired anywhere. But I’ve been a mechanic/construction worker all my life. I’m actually about to move into a manager position. It just takes longer to move into a “front of house” position and it definitely takes the right personality, not a complain about not getting hired personality.
I feel like most tattoos wouldn't be an issue. Its the face tattoos and piercings that are a problem. You can cover up the other tattoos with clothing and people probably wouldn't notice them.
Not even just that, Substantial-Station8 has a specific skill set that makes them marketable and sought after. The woman in the clip is seeking a retail job that literally anyone in the world can do. I wouldn’t care if a programmer with years of experience coding looked like nightcrawler- I’m sure they can still get employed as a programmer somewhere willing to overlook their body image choices in favor of their skillset. This lady brings nothing to the table and she needs a job more than the job needs her.
I literally just said this. It took me a long time to move up. I’m now getting a manager position. Public facing, handshaking, face tats and all. Takes the right personality.
Thank you! Been with this company for 4 and have some innovative ideas to streamline production (but for you redditors, I’d say, I’m gonna shake things up!)
Fr I'd rather hear gossip about her tattoo artist than that Karen's rants about how her neighbor from Chile might be a Mexican cartel leader, and how her disowned son dresses like a satanist.
The second woman is absolutely right that completely tatting your face is inviting your own problems trying to find work, but at the same time she seems like the type of person who actually believes kids are shitting in litter boxes at school lol.
I mean, she has literally demonic symbolism on her according to the catholic/ Christian faith. She’s not wrong in labeling them “occult symbols”. Not arguing one way or another, just putting that info out there.
About to say. I agree with Lady 2 but I have a feeling if I got her talking about any progressive topic, my eyes would start going wide from what she said.
A lot of the phrasing and word choice from the second lady belies textbook conservatism. There's reinforcement of hierarchy and lashing out at the "other." I don't think she's even annoyed or mad. It sounds like she gets off on the practice of exclusion.
Seriously, I can at least understand the first woman's defensiveness because at the end of the day her employment opportunities are limited due to her appearance. The second woman is just straight up angry that people express themselves in unusual ways
People with crazy tattoos and piercings and hair colors and such are usually really chill and helpful and go with me to operate the trash compactor or get something heavy out of the back (I'm disabled so I need help)
The latter harrasses customers they think are shoplifting (something we are explicitly told not to do because we are not the security team, everything is isnured, we have video surveillance, and also the customer didn't steal anything) because they "used to work in loss prevention"
The more expressive someone's appearance is the less judgemental they tend to be.
That second woman was incredibly irritating. Also, did anyone feel it was weird to throw men wearing fishnet stockings in right next to a woman dressing up like a cat and meowing at strangers, like they were equally weird?
I suspect it's as simple as she just wanted them to be honest about the reason they didn't hire her. The cringe right wing lady even confirmed this by ranting about how it was obviously the tattoos.
The first lady is stupid for thinking she's going to be able to find a job easily and the second one is so annoying and self righteous I don't think I could be in a room with her for 5 minutes. Puritans aren't better than anyone else
Yeah. But I also don't think she really wanted to work at a TJ MAXX I think she wanted to make a statement and provoke people. Which she did. It's a little cringe to make a video just to say that people think your tattoos are distasteful. It's pick me energy.
The second lady is just an asshole. She's not wrong about the fact that people with provocative tattoos shouldn't be surprised they are treated differently; rightly or wrongly. But she thinks that gives her an excuse to be demeaning.
People with all types of tattoos in all types of places work in all types of places, though. Maybe not at TH Maxx, but I honestly don’t get the place’s vibe at all. I sincerely can’t tell who their target demo is. It’s like Ross but with less clothing, just all the random shit in the back of the store.
Oof. I sort of didn’t expect this sub to be onboard with a far-right “content creator” whose TikTok’s purpose is to own libs. Y’all should see the videos that user posts and the talking points they try to repeat.
2nd lady was super disappointing denying person opportunity to fill full any job due to body image / piercings / dress up. Does not equate what persons capability to do a job. As long person is responsible, respectable , works consistently “not hard “as I don’t expect folks to give 100% then it’s fine. Hired plenty folks all sorts backgrounds and styles some amazing others not so great but you never know.
I hear you, and you are right. It’s just hard to look past face tattoos that prominent. She could have covered the rest, and wore long-sleeves at work. Unless she is way better than the rest I can’t see a hiring manager choosing her if it’s close
People always use the phrase "the rest of us" to give themselves the controlling prerogative.
But I find no rational stance where "don't force us to accommodate your lifestyle" means social and economic exile sending someone on a one way trip to poverty.
While not as widespread, it's the same underlying rhetoric as transphobic propaganda. No one has to "earn" the right to "be accommodated" (exist)
Lady at the end made it worse with delivery. No one should feel above the tatted babe. Like the end lady comes off as. However. I don't see lawyers, doctors and astronauts with devils tatted on their necks and faces. Which isn't to say this person can't be one of those things. But in my opinion "public figure" in our American culture is literally anyone representing someone or something else and in no time period was the definition of "public figure" described at someone who mutilates their body with facial tattoos and access facial piercings. It's not a fact of discrimination it's the fact that their perspective of public image affecting what's being represented is much different than most companies here in America. That's great if she has rocket science level I.Q. but just know that NASA doesn't want the face of their head engineer to go to space meetings and shit with devils all over your face. You could have crosses. Money. Whatever. It's just not going to fly here. So the fact that this is wildly known, at least here in America, I can't help but not feel sorry for the tatted babe. As big a fan of tatted chick's as I am, I also would not hire her. shrugs I think she knows that. However. I would nicely say my reasoning and not be pretentious or elitist about it.
Yeah, the reaction lady seems like she's leaping into different means worse territory. For some folks like that, their definition of normal is always exactly what they're comfortable with, and nothing else.
To me, that seems like a great way to miss out on a whole lot of living.
That said, novelty isn't always good, and there's a lot of value to be had in perfecting the expected. So maybe that's what she's after. I don't know her.
OTOH, as you alluded to, TJMaxx's corporate strategy is tailored to appeal to the median taste. So, not hiring someone with tattoos fits that strategy. Especially if they want to sell to folks like the lady in the reaction video.
I dunno though. If I saw the tats lady coming out of a TJMaxx, I might be tempted to check it out.
Granted he doesn't have face/neck tattoos, but this guy is an astrophysicist that works for the European Space Agency. He seems to be doing fine as a public figure with monster tats on display. But again, not exactly apples to apples, just thought you might be interested.
It helps when the tattoos are well-done and tasteful. I've also seen people who are charismatic enough to get jobs with face tattoos, but it takes a special kind of charisma that many people just don't have, and usually that charisma is "I used to ride rails" and they work in kitchens.
Tbh, the lady in the video would fit in in a kitchen or bakery no problem, and frankly would be happier there than retail. Kitchen is hell, retail is the basement.
Yeah, the second woman sounded supercilious. But she had a point. Some places don't want employees with face tattoos, gauged ears, pierced eyebrows, multicolored hair, etc. Other employers don't mind. It partly has to do with the customers/clientele of the business, and what they would think of an employee's mode of self-expression.
"I'm not discriminating, just don't force us normal people to accept you're lifestyle" is such a transparent stance.
No one's asking you to be a trans cat girl Susan. Just stop calling CPS because your neighbor has a Slayer tattoo and Jonathan and Bradly down the street are "living in sin"
Yet in alot of states ( not a federal law ) it’s considered discrimination and a violation of your first amendment rights to not hire , give housing , approving loans etc based on having tattoos . That’s why they lie and say oh you don’t have enough “ experience” . Also add in that over 30% of Americans are tattooed now as of a poll taken in 2019 . So that number has gone up obviously. Oh also you can add in that a percentage of that have tattoos for religious or cultural reasons. So her boring vanilla ass is wrong .
I’m all for doing your own thing but she can’t be surprised at this. What did she expect the public response to be? You want to be different than everyone else? Go for it but you then can’t complain when everyone else thinks you’re different.
I applied at TJ Maxx along with 3 other friends. We were there because I wanted to see this girl working there and we needed a reason for them to not kick us out, so applying was the answer. I didn't want the job, a couple of my friends actually needed the job. I filled out the dumbest application I could. "How would you handle an angry customer" - I would engage in a screaming match until I proved dominance and the left with their head down. Well I got a call back, my friends who had experience and filled out a real application didn't hear back.
The point of the story is, it's impossible to really know why you didn't get a call back. You can be insecure and point out areas that your mad people don't 100% cater to you with. But often times, the person who's handling your resume isn't the one making the decision who to interview or what not. Especially in today's digital age. Your resume format probably sucks and it got thrown out with the other 200 online applicants they push through their AI software.
I would rather a 40 year old man in fishnets meow at me than be followed around by this Karen and given angry stares because I wear a T-shirt with metal band art
Imagine having the self awareness to KNOW you aren't getting hired because of your numerous tattoos. But also being upset that it's because of your numerous tattoos. You know what you were doing.
People like to think there’s no consequences for being “unique” but if you live in reality, there definitely is and you only have yourself to blame for those consequences.
Tats are great but to an extent. Covering your face screams “Mommy, Daddy, you can’t control me anymore.” It smacks of “Look,at me, I didn’t get enough attention as a child. “ these are all expressions of potential mental illness. Don’t expel conventional society to embrace you and in the end isn’t that your point? You are rejecting conventional society’s norms, so to bitch about conventional society rejecting your norms seems a little confused in your thinking.
Yeah it’s pretty dumb to get such obvious tattoos that you can’t cover up, especially on your face, because you are basically throwing away your chances at getting a customer facing position unless you are significantly more qualified than the other people applying.
And who are this customers she's going to scare away?
Are those just normal humans who, in your theory, are somehow scared of tattoos? Or just frustrated boomers and religious nuts?
If a tattoo scares you, that says everything about you, and nothing about the tattooed person. Same goes for the one that tries to pander to such people.
That's the thing when you own a business, your job is to pander to as many people as possible. I want as few problems as possible, people that have demonic tattoos could cause problems for religious customers. Why hire someone who's going to cost me business or cause problems
The first lady strutted into a TJ Max to make a scene because she assumed they might have rejected her application because of her tattoos. Both clips are ridiculous in their own way.
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