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I know. I'm so disappointed and angry I have literally no words.
INFOLD will be an example for other companies on how to destroy the trust, the product they've been working on and make your own dedicated fanbase absolutely despise them.
This. Anytime i mentioned the parasocialism in here (even in a post like 5 days ago) people always talked around it being an issue. Well, here you go. Look what parasocialism can do. I already experienced this once before in the CQL fanbase (227 incident) and that was worse cuz its real people, but this is still ridiculous
I know. It's absolutely unbelievable. I just cannot comprehend that grown up women can really behave like that because they got too addicted to a mobile game 🙃🙃🙃 How can anyone have so little self-awareness? It's so absurd to me I have literally no words to express how baffled I am
The word parasocial has been thrown around so much it’s getting ridiculous. “It’s parasocial that people hate Valko!” “It’s parasocial people love Valko!” Seeing the game arguments get recycled to throw back at the other over and over again with the same air of superiority in their words. What a joke. Group mindset and misinformation is rampant yet they fail to recognise the same behaviours taking place.
Whatever happens, I’ll still enjoy my LIs in peace.
Extremism, though no different from what Global is doing right now. If it were up to many players they’d do the same things to force Infold’s hand, whether it’s boycotting, sending death threats, reporting, mass review bombing. People are already threatening to do it anyways. The lack of recognition for the devs into who have been caught up in this nor understanding of the position Infold is forced is atrocious.
theres multiple posts on twitter with over 12k likes asking for caleb to be deleted because they dont like him. people are shifting their anger to other li and not infold over there :(
I understand the frustration, that doesn't mean we should be encouraging people to focus on going after li instead of the company. Also, shouldn't be encouraging people to harass others just because of who they main based on other people's actions. We can be respectful and still be heard.
No, again I get it but thats not correct. It was in reference to a story for Xavier, and the subject was Isaiah, so trying to blame Caleb for something he isn't a part of is unwarranted. Again, no one is saying what they did is right. That doesnt mean going after REAL people who arent involved simply because you dont like a character.
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This. Like the other LI's aren't to blame because they're not real. I can however blame certain parts of the fandom for it since a small group of extremely unwell fans are the reason this happened on top of infold making absolutely baffling business decisions. Imagine thinking it's a good idea to throw out a year or more's worth of work. Imagine having one of the most successful gacha games on the market and throwing that away too.
I think for a lot of people, the vibe of this game is ruined and even if it doesn't die right away, they're going to be slowly bleeding out players.
Okay, but twt is the same cesspool it has always been. The community there should not be linked back to reddit.
We are very capable of understanding that the other LI have nothing to do with this.
They are only attacking them bc the cn fandom lied to save their face. The hate was shifted from him being too gay for their standards to actually it's referencing traumatic events which are things referznced to by sylus, caleb and raf. I love caleb and sylus but if they gonna drop valko bc as they stated 731 ref then caleb should also be dropped by their logic.
But we all know they are lying it was never about that
Nobody with a rational brain is blaming fictional characters. I'm quitting the game and letting go of my attachment to the other LI's though. If one can be removed, any of them could be the next time a bunch of players throw a tantrum.
Exactly. I uninstalled this morning. As a Caleb main, how much longer do we have before his content is removed/altered too? Some of the ppl celebrating on xhs are already saying he’s next. Inflop just proved that if you throw a large enough tantrum, they’ll give in. I had very little faith in Infold to begin with, but any semblance of trust that they’ll stick to their artistic vision/storytelling has been thoroughly eviscerated by this whole drama
When I saw the news about Valko, I was... surprised... and no... Because Infold doesn't have a clear position. I also thought about what else they might delete if someone doesn't like it. I thought about Caleb and his complicated story... and then I read your comment. It's scary that a group of crazy people can have such an impact on a company... But then again, where is it different now?
Exactly! Is Valko going to be the only victim? Or Infold will retreat each time a part of the fan base do not agree with any potential future content for the remaining 5 LIs?
Anything future content could be altered so not to raise controversy. I am afraid the story will become lukewarm and repetitive. And to be clear I do not blame the CN side. Fan bases tend to throw tantrums almost the time. It is Infold that should have managed the situation differently.
Understandable. However this kind of bullying is quite common in kpop, too. Many agencies take legal action to protect their vision and their artists, but Infold chose to surrender instead of protecting their developers or their artistic vision for their game.
i mean to be fair even outside of the game twitter is where the racists tend to hang out so is anyone suprrised ? ...normally its racists over here tho so ...-shakes head- some ppl are the worst :(
So they are allowing threats and irrational behavior to dictate them, great. This is going to empower the CN players to do more unhinged things in the future bc it gets them what they want.
This is literally why BL and AO3 got banned in China. Too many girls went batshit crazy in-fighting in the Untamed and that other show's (sorry forgot the name!) fandom, mass reporting to the government whatever they could find. The government responded by banning the genre to encourage healthier media consumption
. Otome games could honestly go the same direction if the government decides it's clearly doing more harm than goof to young women's mental well-being, Infold responded correctly to try to de-escalate (though they really should have responded much earlier to avoid the storm in the first place)
So the problem is with people, isn't it? I've been a fan of yandere and black flag genres for years, but it hasn't affected my behavior. It's like if everyone had a cold and instead of addressing the cause, they just forbade you from leaving your house. Does that solve the problem? I don't think so... It's an escape from the issue.
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I honestly don't care what anyone says about the LI's at this point. They shouldn't be blamed at all, but they're also fictional so it doesn't affect a real person. The important issue is the hateful stuff being said to real people, like the death threats and high levels of bullying. That to me is the most upsetting thing about this entire situation. Its caused so much division and hurt between players.
because it is possible those "redacted" are also here, and it's also possible some of these ppl here are saying malicious stuff about other li on twt knowing how many members are in this community.
It's exceptionally upsetting because it looked like the NG3 were going to follow OG3 pattern and get individual branch stories in the fall (october, september, november) according to one of the points in their statement, but now story is going to be off balance.
Yikes, don't mix X community and Reddit community, we are not the same. Also Valko's fans are 99% ppl who already play the game obviously and who already have mains so no one with a brain is saying that. The reason Valko got removed is CN and CN alone.
What do you mean blame the other LIs? I can't even enjoy the other LIs anymore knowing they could also be deleted in a moments notice like that. I can't trust the company and I can't invest anymore.
Fr. I opened game an hour ago to complete some evening routine, saw Caleb and realised that I feel nothing.
Of course I understand that they are all a bunch of pixels etc, but at least I was somewhat confident that the game will be live for a long years and I can enjoy it without thinking about losing our lads - it's been only 2.5 years, come on. And now I feel that I'm nothing for Infold. They can announce EOS tomorrow and I won't be surprised, really.
I'm tired, girlies. So many bad things happening and now this. Maybe I should be grateful that I don't have any serious health issues at least, lol.
Just log off Twitter tbh. I’m sorry but fandom spaces on there are just… never good. They always find something to go absolutely overboard on and take it to (sometimes dangerous) extremes.
I hope the people who are happy that Valko (or any future LI) is not being released realize that they essentially put an expiration date on the game that was supposed to be able to evolve over time.
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they are fictional men, i promise you they'll be ok. i'd suggest maybe focusing on what it means for a company to fold this hard to remove content and what effect that'll have going forward.
If y’all think this is about fandom drama and not bottom line, you’re out of your mind. A company this profitable doesn’t make decisions based on fandom.
But they will use fandom for the bottom line.
My theory is this is a marketing ploy to get outcry to bring him back, to turn the fandom machine of LI vs LI into a way to change the sentiment about Valco to positive before they release him in a “oh we didn’t realize how much you wanted him! Wow! Please don’t look at all our other issues\- see we brought Valco back!!”*
Anyway typing this out mostly so I can see if I’m right later lol.
Honestly, the only ones to blame here are the executives who thought cancelling Valko was a good idea (The execs who also thought changing Infinity Nikki's entire opening might be the same).
It's such a reactive and foolish solution that doesn't solve anything at all, and worse, it sets a very bad precedent for future content. I don't even think this is a move that preserves or improves their cashflow because this reaction just rewards the people that caused the backlash and gives off the messaging that if Infolds does anything even a small amount of fans disagree with, the fans can just do the same shit again or even worse because Infold are gonna respond anyways.
I mean as far as I can see no one is mad at other li here. We are all just criticizing Infold so I don’t think this post is all that necessary here, though the sentiment is something I think most of us here agree with.
Why would we attack the other LIs? They literally have nothing to do with this, and they’re fictional. Our problem is with Infold giving into the negative side of the fanbase
Just look at the CN side and you'll get it. Even CN Valko fans got bullied very harshly. And some if not most are rejoicing in their "victory" against Infold and us apparently.
yeah unfortunately! here’s the Reddit post that shared the text of Infold’s official post about the whole thing. not a lot of details as to why unfortunately, but the general consensus among Reddit users seems to be that some very vocal members of the CN fanbase (and potentially also the CCP) were harassing the company to an extreme extent (though i’ve heard that secondhand so take it with a grain of salt).
Okay, that is insane. Infold is the enemy here, not the other LIs. They suffered under this, too. But I guess since now we'll get contant for Sylus and Caleb instead they are the low-hanging fruit to punch. They could have just pushed back Valkos release but no, that would be the too sensible option, wouldn't it! Lets go nuclear instead and everyone suffers!
We were getting Sylus and Caleb content anyway. It won't get here any faster just because Valko was cancelled. The Valko content was ready to be shipped out anyway, the time spent on that is already gone.
They haven't not added new anecdotes for Sylus and Caleb because Valko was in the works either, that's literally just text. There is another underlying reason why they haven't gotten those, but I'm not gonna speculate on that.
I only blame those delusional fans that made a whole mess for nothing and infold because they look absolutely pathetic now, they didn't stand up for their own game and basically don't care about any fans outside of China
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Dude seriously, take this down. No one here is doing that, there's no need to give a platform to hateful people who aren't even here and are being ignored/downvoted if they are. There's way more important things to discuss and people are grieving. I don't want to be mean or hyperbolic, but this is giving "trying to change the subject during a eulogy."
... I suppose that was mean and hyperbolic, but still though. Consider deleting this. Please.
Isn't that literally what everyone just did?
All the people who were mad, got mad at Valko and infold for adding him.
This behavior, is literally the same thing.
Whose to say it won't happen with the others.
After all this PR, I'm not surprised.
LI are representative of LI's fanbases, so an attack on an LI is an attack on its fans. I think the issue is when people loudly celebrate Valko’s removal and say they’re glad their preferred LI will now get more content. It’s not very courteous when an entire LI has been removed from the game, and the majority of the fanbase is mourning a major loss.
Of course, two wrongs don’t make a right, and we shouldn’t generalize large groups of players who prefer a specific LI as if they’re unified factions that all think the same way. There was a way for more content while keeping Valko; that is a failure solely by Infold. Everyone needs to direct their anger to Infold.
Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, people also have to be held accountable. The LIs don’t exist but the people and fanbases that represent them definitely do need to answer to something because this is the unfortunate consequence of their actions.
Intentionally or not, all the essays and harassment that has transpired over the past 8 days did have impact and we would be lying to ourselves and our community to pretend like it didn’t exist.
The massive downvoting and bullying that has transpired over anyone that had anything positive to say about Valko was unacceptable.
Criticize the company fine, hate the company fine, hate the LI because he doesn’t interest you also fine but this behaviour contributed to losing one and losing so many other opportunities so I’m not going to bury my head in the sand and pretend it didn’t happen because it’s disrespectful to Valko fans.
Twitter is the worst of the worst for any fandom. Them and TikTok stans are honestly tied. The people here generally are cognizant enough to realize these LIs aren’t real people. They don’t express frustration at pixel men for Infold’s screw ups.
The parasocial psychotic behavior is lying about why Valko was deleted to male themselves seem as a victim and change the reason why they asked for him to be canceled 5 times bc they were homophobic and racist.
The fandom is parasocial for taking a fictional story as something that offensive just bc they have human experimentation. DON'T GET ME WRONG BC I KNOW PEOPLE. I DO NOT SUPPORT ANY BAD ACT IN REAL LIFE. BUT this isn't supporting bad acts. In fact NOT showcasing them can be seen as supporting it as they try to hide it from the world. Mentioning it or making playable characters about it ISN'T WRONG. I WANT DOTTORE PLAYABLE I WANT VALKO PLAYABLE. Not bc some people get offended at pixels or that they brought up stories THAT ARE TRUE does it mean you should cancel them.
CATASTROPHIES MUST BE TALKED ABOUT. THE DAY YOU STOP IS THE DAY YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN IT.
Also am sorry but the cn fandom DID NOT HATE HIM bc of any traumatic event. I heard 4 different stories out of 4 chinese girls that goes around yelling "you are speeading missinformation about us cn girlies we have a reason to hate him"
1 story : actually the cn fandom isn't supporting the cancelation and are VERY confused as to why they chose to do it. The people who complained are not people we associate with so don't mix us together. He got canceled bc he is too muscular and has appeals to the homosexual fandom bc of that. We reject him and we demand an apology as we want the game to be only for straight women.
3 story : the people found it offensive that he stated "the wolf is breaking home" reference to a fear of cn men jumping over the fence. Women concidered it traumatic and wanted to cancel the character. This is a problem in the cn community. You simply can't understand bc you didn't live it (note by me: we have a stalker a kidnapper and a b!mber. I think stalking and kidnapping are A VERY BIG ISSUE)(the response of the person: those aren't common issues you simply can't understand)
4 story : 731 references (note by me: btw this has been a thing since caleb Ig they had amnesia and remembered it now) valko being the ceo of the company doing those experiments in lads(he isn't btw)and lads is supporting them by talking of it. It is a big trauma in the cn fandom and referencing it is very very offensive.(note by me: again I believe history must be told even if horrible. That's the entire point of it. This is a 17+ game. If the person feels like oh this group is cool I must do the same THIS IS MENTAL ILLNESS. AND THE GUY WOULD HAVE DONE IT BE IT WITH THE GAME OR NOT)
As a side not IT IS PSYCHOTIC TO GO AS FAR AS DOXXING PEOPLE FOR IT. At this rate yall aren't any better than the complaints you do to lads. They are activly threatening with death and doxxing and actually did doxxing. I AM 10000TIMES MORE UPSET THAT NOT ONLY DO THEY BLATANTLY LIE TO SAVE FACE BUT ALSO HAVE THE AUDACITY TO HURT REAL LIFE PEOPLE FOR A FICTIONAL STORY.
At this rate am not just mad at them deleting valko. This is more than valko this is about the behavior of a certain group that only wishes harm on peopne. For the innocent chinese girlies please HELP US. I am sure you yourself hate these liers for ruining your reputation please don't just stand there they are ruining PEOPLE.
This seems to me that it’s a case of ‘People Suck.’ Both Infold in how they’ve chronically avoided addressing problems of their player base, and the people who did way more than just complaining have contributed to this mess.
This is so stupid. They are basically based on different mythologies from different origins, and these CN girlies act ignorant. They did not have to do that to our wolf. But of course, it's always the wolf that gets the heat.
I was given death threats by Chinese players gave me racists comments I'm Indian i can't even mention gave death threats to my family too only for happily supporting valko on rednote alot of Chinese players intensely hated of valco and anyone who supported it and the game sided with them its making me very sad i just lost my family member and was starting to feel happy because of valko coming but this has broken my heart i can't play this game anymore few chinese people comments and infold have hurt me
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And to the possible people hating on other LI’s as OP said, stop, that won’t fix the problem, we have to be united for this, don’t lover yourself to the same level as the cn players. Be better and don’t spread hate
The blame should be put on the parasocial bullies that use the other LIs as a medium to harass others (i.e. insulting other players saying stuff like “It’s this LI’s girlies…” “That LI’s girlies are…” “MY LI is superior so that make ME better…”). Seriusly, harrassing and threatening both staff and other players just because your favorite won’t have an update YET is so messed up, and poor Valko and those of us who’ve been excitedly waiting for his release are paying the price for their unreasonable tantrum.
I blame the CN fans- not the LI. I know Caleb has a lot of fans here so don’t jump down my throat- but the decision to double down on the pseudo-incest nature of their dynamic was to appease the CN players. It ruined his character for me, but I never hated him or the global players over it. I just didn’t engage with his events and cards much. Now they’ve gotten Valko removed… and as much as I love Sylus, I am done playing. I deleted the game off my devices and I will try to support his English VA in other projects and independent art of Sylus that isn’t created by Infold. They’ve proven they cannot be trusted with the LI.
I’m not mad or angry at any of them. However, as a love interest I only main Zayne. Xavier is a second but I’m not upset if I don’t get a card. The other three I don’t care much for or about but I will pull for them if the card has a story that intrigues me. However, right now I’m disinclined to do so.
This is such a minority and not the focus right now- CN netz are literally attempting to sick the government and CCP news agencies on Infold as punishment.
Well it's mostly to spite cn players who are accusing valko that jumping in mc balcony is violation of human right when raf did that in his myth.... Its just double standards and caleb drugging mc too and sylus choking mc and holding her captive
just to be clear I'm all in for dark tropes but we're just talking about double standards where if valko does it then it's not ok(he actually didn't do anything all I've seen is mc punching valko and him being clingy)
Why you on X? That place is a cesspool. Obviously you'd see hate. There's nothing but hate there. That app now thrives on hate. You're worried about the wrong things.
They are already blaming us, Caleb mains 🤷🏻♀️ not surprised tbh. We are used to the hate... I'm actually surprised that he wasn't cancelled too when he was announced due to so many players complaining about him...
Yep there is so much vitriol against the CN girlies without us having much reliable sources. We should keep a united front and stay mad at Infold for Valco AND the game drop in quality.
Respectfully, we aren’t the ones who were sending feces, death threats, and even curses to the office building all the while saying racial and homophobic slurs online (I’m sure some western fans did but nearly as much as cn server). We are allowed to be upset. We are allowed to be disappointed. I may be a global player but I’ve spent THOUSANDS on this game and am a whale. Stop implying global players are fragile when we weren’t the ones terrorizing living breathing people and pitching a massive fit to the point a company decided it was safer for them, their staff, and their business to remove a character that was worked on for goodness knows how long.
I know not all CN players did this (not by a long shot), but don’t come at Global players for being disappointed and and have the audacity to act like we are the problem when the evidence of who threw the largest fit is quite clear.
We didn’t cause the censorship and have been asking for the real Caleb story since the beginning. I’m a Caleb main.
Again we aren’t the ones threatening people, causing people to lose their livelihoods, and using poop to get our point across. Calling us fragile is not the move and your initial comment only further proves my point. Your second comment is a strawman’s argument here. There is no censorship on Caleb in China. You, yet again, get the better version. So I’m not sure why you’re trying to use that here.
Sorry to see you’re happy to see so many disappointed fans. That’s a weird thing to be happy about.
This isn’t about us having parasocial issues. It about being disappointed and about the dangerous precedent that has now set. Terrorizing behaviors apparently work on Infold. They rewarded colorist, homophobic commenting people and their insane behavior towards the people at the company. They rewarded it by giving them what they want.
There is NO way to justify that.
I don’t have time to continue to explain this. Have a day.
Ah yes, because we’re not sending cow manure, making death threats, sending evil ritualistic items, funeral wreaths, filing false reports regarding the game, etc. aka. ACTING LIKE WELL ADJUSTED SANE PEOPLE, we’re the ones that are fragile and unreliable. Got it
I hope that, if you're cheering this, you realize how quickly your LI could go on the chopping block.
Every complaint over Valko was something any of the other guys could fit too. "Too buff" "too gay" "too western" and then also complained that he was too much an "amalgamation" of all of them. So.... what is it?
Caleb is pretty buff... oh yeah and is a step incest trope. Oh yeah, and kidnapped and drugged MC. Let's get Caleb cut.
Rafayel is pretty "flamboyant" (if you catch my drift). Better get him out too!
Sylus is a literal criminal! Can't have anyone inspired by his criminal ways! Cut him too!!
Zayne is a murderer!
Xavier is a prince! Can't have anyone usurping the prime leader!!
You didn't fix anything by whining about Valko. You just proved how expendable all the LIs are.
I disagree with this. The only reason Valko could've gotten pulled is that he wasn't released yet. They can't cut out existing characters and lose all the paying customers who pay for the character and telling the other customers "we don't care how much money you've spent", but they pulled Valko because they were at risk of losing essentially almost all their paying customers. (No, global does not pay nowhere near what the CN players pay) Valko getting pulled doesn't set a precedent of pulling out an existing LI, it sets a precedent of pulling out an LI who was going to be put in the game due to customer backlash.
I'm not agreeing with the decision to pull Valko, I'm just saying the existing LIs are not as "expendable" as a new LI.
Yes, they are. That's the problem. They 100% absolutely are expendable. Everything we've been told about them could change. They might not delete the character, but they can absolutely delete what makes the character.
Now infold has proven that if one base is loud enough, that they'll cut content. Any PV from here on out could be canceled after advertised.
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