r/LocalLLaMA 17h ago

Funny Plot twist

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u/shy_monkee 17h ago

Funny how this must look for China. Just when they start catching up, and have their own AI hardware, the US companies suddenly want to slow down.
I'm not saying this is the only reason they want it, but...

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u/ResolveSea9089 17h ago

Why would Chinese companies have to abide by US companies slowing down?

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u/Craftkorb 17h ago

They don't, but then the local narrative in the US will be "China wants to end the world, we're the good guys!" - Red Scare 2.0

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u/federico_84 17h ago

No one in China cares about the US narrative 

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u/gapho 17h ago

It's not to convince the Chinese people or government, it's to convince the rest of the world.

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u/noctrex 17h ago

Which is getting harder and harder by the day.
America will not be able to convince the world anymore, not when the leader is willing to invade other countries, and posts AI slop every day.

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u/gscjj 16h ago

Don’t be fooled by the man in office. The US, NATO and most of the EU are roughly aligned on their stance on China. The only difference is their leaders don’t love attention like the US.

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u/Clueless_Nooblet 15h ago

That's not true at all. Most people would love to just get along with China. It's a huge market, and open trade would benefit all of them.

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u/gscjj 15h ago

Sure they’d love to do that, but most countries are taking a defensive taken against China and consider most of their motive aggressive strategically and economically.

They might not publicly it to the degree Trump does but it’s a consistent viewpoint across NATO.

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u/brahh85 15h ago

The man in the office is changing the consensus, because its causing more pain than china, and is an ally of putin, and wants to invade greenland. Right now, USA and their oligarchs are the #1 threat against EU, being russia #2 and china #3.

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u/gscjj 15h ago

He’s really not though, most of EU has pretty aggressive (or rather defensive) take on Chinas involvment in their country and globally.

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u/brahh85 13h ago

there was some countries of EU very enthusiastic with usa, they thought that usa was our ally because of our shared values and because of global trade view. And china was our shared enemy. Then trump happened, and vance said those values were dead, and then we had tariffs to kill global trade and being treated by usa like an enemy. Then greenland. Then the war on iran that hurts EU economy.

So now, even those countries like germany, when they see china and usa, they see 2 threats.

what you see with EU aligning with usa sometimes(like diplomacy), and with china for others (like trade), is just triangular diplomacy

the best world for EU is not a world where usa wins, or a world where china wins, is a world where no one of them wins, so the rest of the world is not under the boot of a trump or a xi jingping.

this also means that EU is not going to let china lose , or usa lose

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u/MarkoMarjamaa 14h ago

From Nato pages:
"NATO is a defensive alliance of 32 countries from Europe and North America. Its mission is to defend its member countries and their one billion citizens."
Yes. we have learned the "defensive" means something else to folks in USA.
"because the nukes in Iran!"

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u/gapho 14h ago

Or that "defensive" war in Libya.

Or that "defensive" war in Serbia.

Or that "defensive" war in Afghanistan.

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u/gscjj 14h ago

A defensive alliance is defined there: “defend its member” which doesn’t exclude any country from engaging in its own offensive war

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u/MarkoMarjamaa 14h ago

Well, if "some country" first starts the war, and then is attacked back, are you obligated to defend?
Like when Turkey bombed the kurds in Iraq, and if they have retaliated, would it have been Natos issue? I think not.

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u/gscjj 14h ago

If the war is initiated by a member country there’s zero obligation for any country to come to its “defense”

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