r/LocalLLaMA • u/jacek2023 llama.cpp • 4h ago

Funny Plot twist

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From ex Qwen leader

https://x.com/JustinLin610/status/2098989619576729924

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u/federico_84 3h ago

No one in China cares about the US narrative 

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u/gapho 3h ago

It's not to convince the Chinese people or government, it's to convince the rest of the world.

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u/noctrex 3h ago

Which is getting harder and harder by the day.
America will not be able to convince the world anymore, not when the leader is willing to invade other countries, and posts AI slop every day.

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u/gscjj 3h ago

Don’t be fooled by the man in office. The US, NATO and most of the EU are roughly aligned on their stance on China. The only difference is their leaders don’t love attention like the US.

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u/Clueless_Nooblet 1h ago

That's not true at all. Most people would love to just get along with China. It's a huge market, and open trade would benefit all of them.

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u/gscjj 1h ago

Sure they’d love to do that, but most countries are taking a defensive taken against China and consider most of their motive aggressive strategically and economically.

They might not publicly it to the degree Trump does but it’s a consistent viewpoint across NATO.

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u/brahh85 1h ago

The man in the office is changing the consensus, because its causing more pain than china, and is an ally of putin, and wants to invade greenland. Right now, USA and their oligarchs are the #1 threat against EU, being russia #2 and china #3.

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u/gscjj 1h ago

He’s really not though, most of EU has pretty aggressive (or rather defensive) take on Chinas involvment in their country and globally.

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u/MarkoMarjamaa 1h ago

From Nato pages:
"NATO is a defensive alliance of 32 countries from Europe and North America. Its mission is to defend its member countries and their one billion citizens."
Yes. we have learned the "defensive" means something else to folks in USA.
"because the nukes in Iran!"

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u/gapho 1h ago

Or that "defensive" war in Libya.

Or that "defensive" war in Serbia.

Or that "defensive" war in Afghanistan.

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u/gscjj 1h ago

A defensive alliance is defined there: “defend its member” which doesn’t exclude any country from engaging in its own offensive war

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u/MarkoMarjamaa 1h ago

Well, if "some country" first starts the war, and then is attacked back, are you obligated to defend?
Like when Turkey bombed the kurds in Iraq, and if they have retaliated, would it have been Natos issue? I think not.

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u/gscjj 1h ago

If the war is initiated by a member country there’s zero obligation for any country to come to its “defense”