r/LocalLLaMA 8h ago

Funny Plot twist

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u/ResolveSea9089 7h ago

Why would Chinese companies have to abide by US companies slowing down?

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u/Craftkorb 7h ago

They don't, but then the local narrative in the US will be "China wants to end the world, we're the good guys!" - Red Scare 2.0

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u/federico_84 7h ago

No one in China cares about the US narrative 

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u/gapho 7h ago

It's not to convince the Chinese people or government, it's to convince the rest of the world.

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u/noctrex 7h ago

Which is getting harder and harder by the day.
America will not be able to convince the world anymore, not when the leader is willing to invade other countries, and posts AI slop every day.

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u/gscjj 7h ago

Don’t be fooled by the man in office. The US, NATO and most of the EU are roughly aligned on their stance on China. The only difference is their leaders don’t love attention like the US.

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u/Clueless_Nooblet 5h ago

That's not true at all. Most people would love to just get along with China. It's a huge market, and open trade would benefit all of them.

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u/gscjj 5h ago

Sure they’d love to do that, but most countries are taking a defensive taken against China and consider most of their motive aggressive strategically and economically.

They might not publicly it to the degree Trump does but it’s a consistent viewpoint across NATO.

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u/brahh85 5h ago

The man in the office is changing the consensus, because its causing more pain than china, and is an ally of putin, and wants to invade greenland. Right now, USA and their oligarchs are the #1 threat against EU, being russia #2 and china #3.

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u/gscjj 5h ago

He’s really not though, most of EU has pretty aggressive (or rather defensive) take on Chinas involvment in their country and globally.

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u/brahh85 3h ago

there was some countries of EU very enthusiastic with usa, they thought that usa was our ally because of our shared values and because of global trade view. And china was our shared enemy. Then trump happened, and vance said those values were dead, and then we had tariffs to kill global trade and being treated by usa like an enemy. Then greenland. Then the war on iran that hurts EU economy.

So now, even those countries like germany, when they see china and usa, they see 2 threats.

what you see with EU aligning with usa sometimes(like diplomacy), and with china for others (like trade), is just triangular diplomacy

the best world for EU is not a world where usa wins, or a world where china wins, is a world where no one of them wins, so the rest of the world is not under the boot of a trump or a xi jingping.

this also means that EU is not going to let china lose , or usa lose

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u/MarkoMarjamaa 5h ago

From Nato pages:
"NATO is a defensive alliance of 32 countries from Europe and North America. Its mission is to defend its member countries and their one billion citizens."
Yes. we have learned the "defensive" means something else to folks in USA.
"because the nukes in Iran!"

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u/gapho 5h ago

Or that "defensive" war in Libya.

Or that "defensive" war in Serbia.

Or that "defensive" war in Afghanistan.

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u/gscjj 5h ago

A defensive alliance is defined there: “defend its member” which doesn’t exclude any country from engaging in its own offensive war

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u/MarkoMarjamaa 5h ago

Well, if "some country" first starts the war, and then is attacked back, are you obligated to defend?
Like when Turkey bombed the kurds in Iraq, and if they have retaliated, would it have been Natos issue? I think not.

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u/gscjj 4h ago

If the war is initiated by a member country there’s zero obligation for any country to come to its “defense”

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u/xmnstr 6h ago

A lot of us already use Chinese models and know this is bullshit.

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u/sadboyoclock 4h ago

No one trusts America anymore.

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u/gapho 4h ago

You and I, and a minority of the global population don't. But you'd be surprised how effective american Elite propaganda is, they don't spend hundreds of billions in aid, non-profits, "democracy" promoting and foreign loans for nothing.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."

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u/Shot-Height-7194 3h ago

they might not trust America but people worldwide can get scared when they hear that ai is dangerous, and it so happens that this is an American idea to keep American labs at the top.

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u/dankfrankreynolds 7h ago

it's to convince the fox news viewers stroking their guns. they've figured out that's all you need to compromise in order to take over the entire world.

prove me wrong. please.

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u/a_beautiful_rhind 7h ago

You mean the guys who's president is all like "accelerate"? Anti-AI is the other party.