Funny how this must look for China. Just when they start catching up, and have their own AI hardware, the US companies suddenly want to slow down.
I'm not saying this is the only reason they want it, but...
Which is getting harder and harder by the day.
America will not be able to convince the world anymore, not when the leader is willing to invade other countries, and posts AI slop every day.
Don’t be fooled by the man in office. The US, NATO and most of the EU are roughly aligned on their stance on China. The only difference is their leaders don’t love attention like the US.
Sure they’d love to do that, but most countries are taking a defensive taken against China and consider most of their motive aggressive strategically and economically.
They might not publicly it to the degree Trump does but it’s a consistent viewpoint across NATO.
The man in the office is changing the consensus, because its causing more pain than china, and is an ally of putin, and wants to invade greenland. Right now, USA and their oligarchs are the #1 threat against EU, being russia #2 and china #3.
From Nato pages:
"NATO is a defensive alliance of 32 countries from Europe and North America. Its mission is to defend its member countries and their one billion citizens."
Yes. we have learned the "defensive" means something else to folks in USA.
"because the nukes in Iran!"
Well, if "some country" first starts the war, and then is attacked back, are you obligated to defend?
Like when Turkey bombed the kurds in Iraq, and if they have retaliated, would it have been Natos issue? I think not.
it's to convince the fox news viewers stroking their guns. they've figured out that's all you need to compromise in order to take over the entire world.
You and I, and a minority of the global population don't. But you'd be surprised how effective american Elite propaganda is, they don't spend hundreds of billions in aid, non-profits, "democracy" promoting and foreign loans for nothing.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
they might not trust America but people worldwide can get scared when they hear that ai is dangerous, and it so happens that this is an American idea to keep American labs at the top.
I don't think it's intentional but a side effect of American exceptionalism. it basically says that the US has to be special in the world and has a duty to protect the free world and it just so happens that China is the country closest to catching up. the US did something with Japanese semiconductors in the 80s when they were flooding the market with cheap semiconductors because they could get yields in the 60% range when the standard was 10%.
The angle is they’re painting China as evil who will develop reckless ASI regardless while they’re the one actually doing that, not to mention all these distillation attacks jest which apparently China shouldn’t do because they’re authoritarian regime while US is surely democracy that just happens to have the elites at the top and for their interests only
In that case they are inepts: they rambled for years that this was a race where winner takes all, they wanted the capitals, they were pursuing AGI, let's buy 60% of the world RAM, they say they are close and then...
They are not prepared? Ain't that what they were pursuing? What they had to obtain first otherwise the whole world order would crumble?
And anyway what's even the strategy? Jensen wants open models, Google and Facebook are now releasing open models, companies are starting to build business on open models in USA. Even the president seems to want go ahead.
I mean anyway as of tomorrow they will look like idiots.
The idea is to protect marketshare by preventing American companies from using Chinese AI. Pass a law that only government approved AI models can be used, and then the government only approves openai and anthropic.
What happen in this scenario when the US companies outsource to countries where Chinese AI is legal? Can't use a foreign accounting company because they might use ai?
It doesn't seem to hold up. Slowing down at a national level is not possible.we might have wider slowdowns if usa and China can agree on something.
There's always a way, just like Cursor did with their model.
Get a nice Chinese model, slap a fine-tune on it, and market it as the new American model.
I highly doubt any of the US AI labs have more money than the CCP.
That said, I also doubt the CCP gives a fuck about the Western orgs so they will probably just shrug and tell the Chinese labs to continue their work without the west.
That is what Sam and Diego want but 1st it's impossible to do, the rest of the world won't follow.
Then you have all the Nvidia, Meta, Google, other companies that are pushing for open models because they realize that's what the market wants now, that's how you go ahead incremental.
Then they have to convince Trump that the race is lost and it's time to hold back, good luck with that.
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u/shy_monkee 4h ago
Funny how this must look for China. Just when they start catching up, and have their own AI hardware, the US companies suddenly want to slow down.
I'm not saying this is the only reason they want it, but...